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7Saturn: /* Tips on Increasing Skills */

2015-09-14T14:35:09Z

Tips on Increasing Skills

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	#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.		#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.
	#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?		#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?
	#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. (Has anybody ever tried MC'ing all four quarters??) You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. (Maybe you should MC their butt instead of their head, since they'll run toward you??) I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance.		#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. (Has anybody ever tried MC'ing all four quarters??) You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. (Maybe you should MC their butt instead of their head, since they'll run toward you??) I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance. [[User:7Saturn\|7Saturn]] ([[User talk:7Saturn\|talk]]) 10:30, 14 September 2015 (EDT) ''The fun part is, that you still can do another MC on one of the remaining parts and get their starting stats again. So in essence, you can let them run four times as far, as if conventional MC of the whole unit took place. But partial MC will not keep a Cyberdisc or Sectopod from shooting itself or any other of your units, when reaction fire triggering kicks in. MC'ing their butt instead of their head won't help that, as it's not about the used graphics but the part that is being controlled. The upper right corner will stay MCed, even when you turn the unit. So better wait until it's the next round for you, if you want to have a clear shot. This also means, you can make a Cyberdisc or a Sectopod shoot itself. As they don't make a very good training unit this way, shooting them is rather usefull, especially with sectopods, as they have autoshot. Take care, none of your soldiers is near, as Cyberdiscs explode and Sectopods will finish their auto shot, even when kill by the very first shot. So the remaining shots might end up, where you don't want them to.''
	[[User:7Saturn\|7Saturn]] ([[User talk:7Saturn\|talk]]) 10:30, 14 September 2015 (EDT) ''The fun part is, that you still can do another MC on one of the remaining parts and get their starting stats again. So in essence, you can let them run four times as far, as if conventional MC of the whole unit took place. But partial MC will not keep a Cyberdisc or Sectopod from shooting itself or any other of your units, when reaction fire triggering kicks in. MC'ing their butt instead of their head won't help that, as it's not about the used graphics but the part that is being controlled. The upper right corner will stay MCed, even when you turn the unit. So better wait until it's the next round for you, if you want to have a clear shot. This also means, you can make a Cyberdisc or a Sectopod shoot itself. As they don't make a very good training unit this way, shooting them is rather usefull, especially with sectopods, as they have autoshot. Take care, none of your soldiers is near, as Cyberdiscs explode and Sectopods will finish their auto shot, even when kill by the very first shot. So the remaining shots might end up, where you don't want them to.''
	#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.		#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.
	#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!		#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!

7Saturn: /* Tips on Increasing Skills */

2015-09-14T14:30:47Z

Tips on Increasing Skills

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	#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?		#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?
	#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. (Has anybody ever tried MC'ing all four quarters??) You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. (Maybe you should MC their butt instead of their head, since they'll run toward you??) I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance.		#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. (Has anybody ever tried MC'ing all four quarters??) You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. (Maybe you should MC their butt instead of their head, since they'll run toward you??) I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance.
			[[User:7Saturn\|7Saturn]] ([[User talk:7Saturn\|talk]]) 10:30, 14 September 2015 (EDT) ''The fun part is, that you still can do another MC on one of the remaining parts and get their starting stats again. So in essence, you can let them run four times as far, as if conventional MC of the whole unit took place. But partial MC will not keep a Cyberdisc or Sectopod from shooting itself or any other of your units, when reaction fire triggering kicks in. MC'ing their butt instead of their head won't help that, as it's not about the used graphics but the part that is being controlled. The upper right corner will stay MCed, even when you turn the unit. So better wait until it's the next round for you, if you want to have a clear shot. This also means, you can make a Cyberdisc or a Sectopod shoot itself. As they don't make a very good training unit this way, shooting them is rather usefull, especially with sectopods, as they have autoshot. Take care, none of your soldiers is near, as Cyberdiscs explode and Sectopods will finish their auto shot, even when kill by the very first shot. So the remaining shots might end up, where you don't want them to.''
	#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.		#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.
	#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!		#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!

Magic9mushroom: Undo revision 67394 by 7Saturn (talk) What you said is right, but you should not edit something another user says on a userpage that's not yours or a talk page. Reply instead.

2015-08-29T03:57:14Z

Undo revision 67394 by 7Saturn (talk) What you said is right, but you should not edit something another user says on a userpage that's not yours or a talk page. Reply instead.

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	#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.		#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.
	#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?		#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?
	#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. ~~The fun part is, that you still can do another~~ MC ~~on one of the remaining parts and get their starting stats again. So in essence, you can let them run~~ four ~~times as far, as if conventional MC of the whole unit took place.~~ You wouldn't want to try ~~partial MC~~ with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot ~~and will do that, possibly on itself, but not necessarily~~), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. MC~~'ing~~ their butt instead of their head ~~won't help that~~, ~~as it~~'~~s not about the used graphics. The upper right corner MCed will stay, even when~~ you ~~turn the unit. So better wait until it's the next round for you, if you want to have a clear shot.~~ I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance. As said, the cyberdiscs and sectopods don't make much of a training unit, as they will probably fire back at you. So better just get rid of them, all together. In order to do that easily, just let the MC'ed part of the unit shoot one of the neighboring parts. It's especially effective with sectopods, as they have autoshot.		#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. (Has anybody ever tried MC'ing all four quarters??) You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. (Maybe you should MC their butt instead of their head, since they'll run toward you??) I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance.
	#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.		#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.
	#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!		#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!

7Saturn: /* Tips on Increasing Skills */

2015-08-28T11:51:20Z

Tips on Increasing Skills

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	#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.		#As you can see, even the sides of Flying Armor can take damage from a LP (although only ~2% of the time, and very light damage at that). LP shots in the back won't give you a deep wound (up to 12 damage), but they can put you in the [[Recovery_time\|hospital]] for a week or three. So be careful, especially about moving so as to turn your back (giving an alien a reaction shot). They WILL target your back or under armor! They know where your weaknesses are.
	#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?		#Be careful of using silicoids, celatids, and other critters with built-in weapons for reaction-fire target practice. Sometimes they won't shoot you, but you never know! Get them out of the way first with directed fire by low FA guys. (And keep track of their hits!) ''Psst: Did you know the [[celatid]] has a very limited range?
	#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. ~~(Has anybody ever tried~~ MC~~'ing all~~ four ~~quarters??)~~ You wouldn't want to try it with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. ~~(Maybe you should~~ MC their butt instead of their head, ~~since they~~'~~ll run toward~~ you~~??)~~ I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance.		#Large [[Alien_Life_Forms\|aliens]] (sectopods, reapers, and cyberdiscs) do weird things when MC'd. You're only MC'ing one-fourth of them, so the rest "takes over" and basically, it's not MC'd. The fun part is, that you still can do another MC on one of the remaining parts and get their starting stats again. So in essence, you can let them run four times as far, as if conventional MC of the whole unit took place. You wouldn't want to try partial MC with sectopods and cyberdiscs (cuz they can shoot and will do that, possibly on itself, but not necessarily), but with the floaters' pet reaper, you can still use them for target practice. You just have to keep moving reapers farther away than they can run to you, each round. And hope your hits land on their non-MC'd quarters. MC'ing their butt instead of their head won't help that, as it's not about the used graphics. The upper right corner MCed will stay, even when you turn the unit. So better wait until it's the next round for you, if you want to have a clear shot. I haven't actually tested this vs. the experience counter, but I presume it's true. You can probably get a lot of reaction-fire experience (even on a floater mission - floaters die like flies), since it will take many pistol shots to take down a reaper at long distance. As said, the cyberdiscs and sectopods don't make much of a training unit, as they will probably fire back at you. So better just get rid of them, all together. In order to do that easily, just let the MC'ed part of the unit shoot one of the neighboring parts. It's especially effective with sectopods, as they have autoshot.
	#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.		#You might have considered stun-rodding (SRing) aliens, to increase your [[Experience#Melee_hits\|Melee Accuracy]]. Then, revive them to SR again, or shoot. But the SR can put up to 65 [[Unconscious\|unconscious]] points on them, which can take forever to revive with a [[Medi-Kit\|medkit]] (or even use up all your med supplies without being revived). So Melee Accuracy is not a very viable skill to develop. We'd all much rather build our Firing Accuracy and Reaction, than this <s>obtuse</s> <u>irrelevant-in-UFO</u> skill! It might be more important in TFTD, though.
	#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!		#In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!

Bomb Bloke at 05:06, 18 December 2009

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	#Another reason to MC all aliens or none, is because uncontrolled aliens will target MC'd aliens. They know who has the least armor, making for their best shot - and it'll be friendly aliens, all of whose armor is less than your power/flying armor.		#Another reason to MC all aliens or none, is because uncontrolled aliens will target MC'd aliens. They know who has the least armor, making for their best shot - and it'll be friendly aliens, all of whose armor is less than your power/flying armor.
	#One way to avoid reaction shots by your guys into a mixed crowd of non/MC'd aliens, is to turn your shooters around for a turn. And a way to (sometimes) keep an MC'd alien from shooting unfriendly ones, is to turn that alien around. And possibly just MC the aliens right next to him, blocking the view of farther, enemy ones (if they're all in a line).		#One way to avoid reaction shots by your guys into a mixed crowd of non/MC'd aliens, is to turn your shooters around for a turn. And a way to (sometimes) keep an MC'd alien from shooting unfriendly ones, is to turn that alien around. And possibly just MC the aliens right next to him, blocking the view of farther, enemy ones (if they're all in a line).
	#It's said that powered armor and flying suits are safe from laser pistols. This is only <i>partly</i> true. [[Laser_Pistol\|Laser pistols]] (LPs) do an average of 46 laser [[damage]], but this can be up to twice as high (92). XCOM [[Equipment\|armor]] is as follows:		#It's said that powered armor and flying suits are safe from laser pistols. This is only <i>partly</i> true. [[Laser_Pistol\|Laser pistols]] (LPs) do an average of 46 laser [[damage]], but this can be up to twice as high (92). XCOM [[Equipment (EU)\|armor]] is as follows:
	<u>Front</u> <u>Sides</u> <u>Rear</u> <u>Under</u>		<u>Front</u> <u>Sides</u> <u>Rear</u> <u>Under</u>
	Coveralls 12 8 5 2		Coveralls 12 8 5 2

MikeTheRed at 10:13, 19 January 2009

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Zombie: /* My Test Setup */ Relinking.

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	For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).		For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).

	[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[~~Psi_Skill~~#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)		[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)

	I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.		I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.

Zombie: /* My Test Setup */ Relinking.

2009-01-02T03:07:11Z

My Test Setup: Relinking.

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	For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).		For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).

	[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psi_Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[~~Psi_Skill~~#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)		[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psi_Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)

	I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.		I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.

Arrow Quivershaft: Get better soon!

2008-11-01T07:04:51Z

Get better soon!

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	Mike, the problem with making the turn sequencing it's own page is that some of that in theory. My actual patience for testing is very low(the [[User Talk:Zombie\|person who does that]] lives about thirty minutes away from me, actually). But if you think it's worth a page, I'll put it down. Reply when able. (Actually, I recently thought that the 'Anyone Alive' check might be performed not for BOTH sides each turn, but only after that side's turn. This would explain why, after you kill all the aliens, you see the alien turn screen briefly after ending the X-Com turn. Similar if the aliens off all the soldiers during the Alien turn.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:54, 10 October 2007 (PDT)		Mike, the problem with making the turn sequencing it's own page is that some of that in theory. My actual patience for testing is very low(the [[User Talk:Zombie\|person who does that]] lives about thirty minutes away from me, actually). But if you think it's worth a page, I'll put it down. Reply when able. (Actually, I recently thought that the 'Anyone Alive' check might be performed not for BOTH sides each turn, but only after that side's turn. This would explain why, after you kill all the aliens, you see the alien turn screen briefly after ending the X-Com turn. Similar if the aliens off all the soldiers during the Alien turn.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:54, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

			:Get better soon, man! [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 02:04, 1 November 2008 (CDT)

NKF: Just ask the question once. Saves having to edit everything later once it's answered. ;)

2008-08-01T20:43:10Z

Just ask the question once. Saves having to edit everything later once it's answered. ;)

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 #In case you hadn't noticed - Aliens that have no weapons and have nowhere to go within one turn that's out of your line of sight, rarely move at all (except to turn/look around sometimes). Which is to say, you don't have to MC them if you don't want to (or don't need any more psi experience) - they aren't going anywhere. But keep in mind that if they see just one of you, they know where <i>all</i> your men are. And so they always know if there is <i>anywhere</i> that even <i>one</i> of them can go run and hide. The sneaky little sh$ts!
 #Enemy units never get [[Fatal_Wounds|fatal wounds]] - but friendly units can. And <i>MC'd aliens are considered friendly.</i> So if you accidentally hit MC'd aliens, you have to check them for wounds. (Yet another reason to MC all or none, so you don't reaction-fire into a pack of mixed ones.) Here's where I got another of XCOM's many little "surprises": I was marching a lot of aliens back to their base's exit zone while they still had their weapons. (So they could drop their stuff in the zone, and I could withdraw and come back and milk the base again.) I accidentally forgot to MC one (hard to see in a big pack of MC'd guys) and all he had left on him was a grenade. So of <b>course</b> he chucks the grenade, which bounces off the MC'd guys and comes to rest right in the middle of the pack. This 1) destroyed every bit of loot that had been dropped, 2) killed a couple of aliens (including himself) and gave most of the other Mutons 2-3 [[Fatal_Wounds|fatal wounds]], plus many lost a lot of health (=skill point training down the tubes), and finally 3) when all the gear got destroyed, there wasn't a single weapon left that I could use to shoot some Elerium out of a Power Source. (I only had pistols, since they always have Heavy Plasmas.) <B>Damn,</b> was I cussing a mean streak, kicking myself! LOL
 = Psi Testing =

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	For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).		For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).

	[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[~~Psi_Skill~~#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)		[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)

	I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.		I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.

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	For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).		For my testing, I have a MS Access VBA module that sucks in a savegame and compares it to another one (from before the combat). I [[HackerTools\|edit]] experience counters (offsets 80-85 in [[UNITREF.DAT]]) and soldier stats (bytes 43-62 in [[SOLDIER.DAT]]) from a savegame ready to be ended (a Muton base with 16 soldiers standing in the entry area). Although it took weeks of futzing with Access to get it set up nicely, now that it's done, I can generate each combat-mission skill-point result in as quickly as I can load a savegame, end the mission, and then savegame on the geoscape (approx. 15 seconds). As of this writing, I have 4,544 individual soldier results (a.k.a. 284 savegame results at 16 soldiers each). This was for 11 different configurations of experience counters and soldier stats, as I zeroed in on different questions to ask (an average of about 25 savegames per configuration).

	[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psi_Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[~~Psi_Skill~~#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)		[[Image:XcomPsiLabIncreases.gif\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Psi Lab end-of-month increases vs. Psi Skill]]FWIW, the [[Psi_Skill#Improvement\|Psi Lab training]] tests were way easier than combat-mission experience-vs.-skill-point tests. For three reasons: 1) I only had 16 soldiers in my base combat-mission scenario, whereas I could use all 250 soldiers when testing the Lab. (It took a lot of manual Soldier.Dat hacking, though!) 2) The Psi Lab results were much more simple and clear vs. combat results, as the wiki shows. Finally, 3) only one stat was being looked at, whereas combat results can affect 9 stats, each of which has to be examined in its own way. For the Psi Lab tests, I quickly generated 8,500 datapoints (34 savegames) and within just two different savegame configurations, it's behavior was [[Psionic Skill#Improvement\|crystal clear]]. (I didn't include these 8,500 results in the 4,544 counts I mentioned for combat results, of course.)

	I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.		I'm happy to share my MS Access setup with anybody that wants it; just send [[User:MikeTheRed\|me]] an email. But you are warned - it's all home grown code. I'll walk you through it, but you have to do it exactly right... there ain't no user manual or Help routines for this baby! You coders know what I mean. Also, just so you know... the <i>only</i> thing it does relative to game files, is read Soldier.Dat. It doesn't touch any other file, and it doesn't write to anything (except itself, of course). I did all my Soldier and Unitref hacking by hand.