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WurmD: /* User Commentary */

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User Commentary

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	I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model.--[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)		I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model.--[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)

			Made :) [[User:WurmD\|WurmD]] ([[User talk:WurmD\|talk]]) 18:03, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

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Last Hussar at 00:36, 9 March 2011

2011-03-09T00:36:32Z

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	2.3m = '''26.5s'''		2.3m = '''26.5s'''


			===User Commentary===

	''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn. --[[User:A1s\|A1s]] 21:13, 18 January 2011 (EST)''		''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn. --[[User:A1s\|A1s]] 21:13, 18 January 2011 (EST)''

	~~===User Commentary===~~
	<i>If, as I suspect, a square is a Yard (call it a meter for ease) that makes your example soldier speed 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph. This isn't a bad speed for a soldier; while olympic sprinters could make 50m in 5 seconds our men are not olympic sprinters, plus they have all their kit. If you've ever run in webbing you know the feeling of it bouncing around you, while your boots slow you down anyway. Additionally soldiers don't have the luxury of a 'tunnel vision' sprint, and have to be aware of surroundins. 5 seconds seems right, and you've done a lot of good work here, but I think you've over estimated the horizontal. I think we can explain away the speed of shooting with an assumption that single shots represent a number of single shots or bursts, where as auto is the flipping the selector to 'Full', and what we see is a representation of a number of bullets per 'streak'.[[User:Last Hussar\|Last Hussar]] 00:18 9 March 2011 (GMT)</i>		<i>If, as I suspect, a square is a Yard (call it a meter for ease) that makes your example soldier speed 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph. This isn't a bad speed for a soldier; while olympic sprinters could make 50m in 5 seconds our men are not olympic sprinters, plus they have all their kit. If you've ever run in webbing you know the feeling of it bouncing around you, while your boots slow you down anyway. Additionally soldiers don't have the luxury of a 'tunnel vision' sprint, and have to be aware of surroundins. 5 seconds seems right, and you've done a lot of good work here, but I think you've over estimated the horizontal. I think we can explain away the speed of shooting with an assumption that single shots represent a number of single shots or bursts, where as auto is the flipping the selector to 'Full', and what we see is a representation of a number of bullets per 'streak'.[[User:Last Hussar\|Last Hussar]] 00:18 9 March 2011 (GMT)</i>

Last Hussar at 00:34, 9 March 2011

2011-03-09T00:34:36Z

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	On the other hand, that result can easily be skewed up or down by assuming that one "height" value is not of the same real-world-measurement as one "width" value. The two don't have to be equal. The programmers likely stuck to multiples of eight for processing ease as opposed to realism, so mathematics applied to known game values probably won't always produce realistic measurements.		On the other hand, that result can easily be skewed up or down by assuming that one "height" value is not of the same real-world-measurement as one "width" value. The two don't have to be equal. The programmers likely stuck to multiples of eight for processing ease as opposed to realism, so mathematics applied to known game values probably won't always produce realistic measurements.

	My personal hunch is that a tile is a meter wide and the isometric view just makes things look shorter then they really are. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 02:04, 5 November 2007 (PST)</i>		My personal hunch is that a tile is a meter wide and the isometric view just makes things look shorter then they really are. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 02:04, 5 November 2007 (PST)

			I've always assumed a meter/yard squares. 8ft/2m40 sounds about right for height. Julian Gollop, the lead creator, is British, and our ceilings are indeed usually 8ft. Doors are 30 inches, 36 inches (3ft/1 yard) if you include the surround. [[User:Last Hussar\|Last Hussar]] 00:18 9 March 2011 (GMT)</i>

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	''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn. --[[User:A1s\|A1s]] 21:13, 18 January 2011 (EST)''		''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn. --[[User:A1s\|A1s]] 21:13, 18 January 2011 (EST)''

			===User Commentary===
			<i>If, as I suspect, a square is a Yard (call it a meter for ease) that makes your example soldier speed 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph. This isn't a bad speed for a soldier; while olympic sprinters could make 50m in 5 seconds our men are not olympic sprinters, plus they have all their kit. If you've ever run in webbing you know the feeling of it bouncing around you, while your boots slow you down anyway. Additionally soldiers don't have the luxury of a 'tunnel vision' sprint, and have to be aware of surroundins. 5 seconds seems right, and you've done a lot of good work here, but I think you've over estimated the horizontal. I think we can explain away the speed of shooting with an assumption that single shots represent a number of single shots or bursts, where as auto is the flipping the selector to 'Full', and what we see is a representation of a number of bullets per 'streak'.[[User:Last Hussar\|Last Hussar]] 00:18 9 March 2011 (GMT)</i>

NKF: Restored parts that might have been unintentionally erased

2011-01-19T07:34:37Z

Restored parts that might have been unintentionally erased

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	'''Sectopod''' 23		'''Sectopod''' 23
	'''Ceiling''' 24		'''Ceiling''' 24

			<i>Note that some floating units are [[Height\|effectively taller]].</i>

	Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.		Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.
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	*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.		*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.
	*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.		*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.
			*'''1.6m:''' Based off Line of Fire Templates.
	*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.		*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.
	I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.		I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.


			===User Commentary===
			<i>2.26m seems way, way too high a value for me. 2.4m sounds about right for the height of a tile, but with this sort of width doors would be nearly squares. Great big ones at that.

			Each tile is made up of 12, 16x16 [[LOFTEMPS.DAT\|Line of Fire Templates]], stacked one on top of the other. Assuming they're double stacked to create a 16x16x24 object (which makes sense given the maximum unit height of 23), the div/10 formula suggests that a tile is 1.6 meters square.

			On the other hand, that result can easily be skewed up or down by assuming that one "height" value is not of the same real-world-measurement as one "width" value. The two don't have to be equal. The programmers likely stuck to multiples of eight for processing ease as opposed to realism, so mathematics applied to known game values probably won't always produce realistic measurements.

			My personal hunch is that a tile is a meter wide and the isometric view just makes things look shorter then they really are. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 02:04, 5 November 2007 (PST)</i>

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	You've done your homework here.		You've done your homework here.

	I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model.		I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model.--[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)

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A1s at 02:13, 19 January 2011

2011-01-19T02:13:52Z

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	''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn.''		''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn. --[[User:A1s\|A1s]] 21:13, 18 January 2011 (EST)''

A1s: turn length

2011-01-19T02:13:22Z

turn length

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	'''Sectopod''' 23		'''Sectopod''' 23
	'''Ceiling''' 24		'''Ceiling''' 24

	~~<i>Note that some floating units are [[Height\|effectively taller]].</i>~~

	Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.		Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.
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	*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.		*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.
	*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.		*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.
	*'''1.6m:''' Based off Line of Fire Templates.
	*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.		*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.
	I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.		I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.

	~~===User Commentary===~~
	~~<i>2.26m seems way, way too high a value for me. 2.4m sounds about right for the height of a tile, but with this sort of width doors would be nearly squares. Great big ones at that.~~

	Each tile is made up of 12, 16x16 [[LOFTEMPS.DAT\|Line of Fire Templates]], stacked one on top of the other. Assuming they're double stacked to create a 16x16x24 object (which makes sense given the maximum unit height of 23), the div/10 formula suggests that a tile is 1.6 meters square.

	On the other hand, that result can easily be skewed up or down by assuming that one "height" value is not of the same real-world-measurement as one "width" value. The two don't have to be equal. The programmers likely stuck to multiples of eight for processing ease as opposed to realism, so mathematics applied to known game values probably won't always produce realistic measurements.

	~~My personal hunch is that a tile is a meter wide and the isometric view just makes things look shorter then they really are. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 02:04, 5 November 2007 (PST)</i>~~

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	2.0m = '''23.4s'''		2.0m = '''23.4s'''
	2.3m = '''26.5s'''		2.3m = '''26.5s'''


			''This assumes that X-Com soldiers walk around the battlefield (which it looks like from their animations.) However seeing as how they tend to run out of breath (energy) after 3-4 turns of continuous moving (and we have established that to be at most 2 minutes), it is much more likely they move in sprints. This gives us 8.5 m/s for a 80TU soldier, and 4.7 seconds per turn (let's make that 5 seconds, since this is all ballpark measurements). This is also explains why they can only fire 2-3 short bursts on any given turn.''


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	You've done your homework here.		You've done your homework here.

	I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model. ~~--[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)~~		I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model.

	~~[[Category: data tables]]~~

Danial: /* Tile Size */

2007-12-02T09:41:56Z

Tile Size

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	*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.		*'''1m:''' The assumed 1m tile would lead to a wall height of 1.22m, or 4ft, which is simply rediculous.
	*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.		*'''1.4m:''' Roughly derived from the animation walk-cycle, I don't believe this is a suitable reference.
			*'''1.6m:''' Based off Line of Fire Templates.
	*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.		*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.
	I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.		I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.

Danial: /* Tile Size */

2007-12-02T09:38:26Z

Tile Size

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	I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.		I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.

			===User Commentary===
	<i>2.26m seems way, way too high a value for me. 2.4m sounds about right for the height of a tile, but with this sort of width doors would be nearly squares. Great big ones at that.		<i>2.26m seems way, way too high a value for me. 2.4m sounds about right for the height of a tile, but with this sort of width doors would be nearly squares. Great big ones at that.

Bomb Bloke: Tile Height

2007-11-05T10:04:13Z

Tile Height

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	'''Sectopod''' 23		'''Sectopod''' 23
	'''Ceiling''' 24		'''Ceiling''' 24

			<i>Note that some floating units are [[Height\|effectively taller]].</i>

	Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.		Now, the basis for my theory on unit heights is a standard house ceiling. The normal* height of a ceiling is 8ft, which in metric** is about 2.40m. Staight away you can see the similarity of 2.4 to 24 - a simple divider of 10. If you then use this to work out the height of, say, a Zombie, it would make it 1.8m, or 6ft. To me, this makes sense seeing as the Zombies are made of poisoned men, and an ''average'' man height is generally stated as 6ft.
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	*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.		*'''2.26m:''' Based off my div/10 formula above.
	I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.		I believe that 2.26m is the best alternative, but I suppose it's all up to personal opinion as to which you adopt.

			<i>2.26m seems way, way too high a value for me. 2.4m sounds about right for the height of a tile, but with this sort of width doors would be nearly squares. Great big ones at that.

			Each tile is made up of 12, 16x16 [[LOFTEMPS.DAT\|Line of Fire Templates]], stacked one on top of the other. Assuming they're double stacked to create a 16x16x24 object (which makes sense given the maximum unit height of 23), the div/10 formula suggests that a tile is 1.6 meters square.

			On the other hand, that result can easily be skewed up or down by assuming that one "height" value is not of the same real-world-measurement as one "width" value. The two don't have to be equal. The programmers likely stuck to multiples of eight for processing ease as opposed to realism, so mathematics applied to known game values probably won't always produce realistic measurements.

			My personal hunch is that a tile is a meter wide and the isometric view just makes things look shorter then they really are. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 02:04, 5 November 2007 (PST)</i>

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Ethereal Cereal: +cat data tables

2006-05-18T03:33:56Z

+cat data tables

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	I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model. --[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)		I think, in the end, there's one thing that will make or break any 3D version of X-com: a <i>really bitchin'</i> Heavy Plasma model. --[[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 20:26, 19 December 2005 (PST)

			[[Category: data tables]]