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IceMaverick at 01:00, 16 March 2015

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	:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.		:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.
	::::OK, just a few tips, you guys are doing a fine job in keeping the LW wiki and I prefer to keep myself out of it out of the discussion. First, decide upon some common rules regarding the general page appearance (headers yes/no, all pages?/just some sections, etc.). Second, try to keep visual clutter to a minimum, the more separate visual elements you have, the more distracting and tiresome it is to find the relevant info. Good work and let me know if you need any help. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 18:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)		::::OK, just a few tips, you guys are doing a fine job in keeping the LW wiki and I prefer to keep myself out of it out of the discussion. First, decide upon some common rules regarding the general page appearance (headers yes/no, all pages?/just some sections, etc.). Second, try to keep visual clutter to a minimum, the more separate visual elements you have, the more distracting and tiresome it is to find the relevant info. Good work and let me know if you need any help. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 18:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)

			Hey, saw your changes to the Alien Life Forms table. I think more muted colors may be in order for the table, as the bright primary colors are a little hard on the eyes, especially when trying to read black text off of them. I see what you were going for when trying to do the difficulty tags, but the formatting is a little off and it doesn't align properly with the column headers. In addition, I think having the information being present immediately to the user is better than hiding them in collapsible boxes. While it certainly cleans the page of information that might not be useful to an individual at any given time, I think extrapolating the system to the whole page and having to un-pack each race's stats may be a bit tiring. When designing an interface, especially one that is meant to be quickly referenced for fast information, I think keeping visual clutter to a minimum is a good idea in addition to being able to view all of the information at once. I like the more fleshed out table, and I'm unsure what to change, but it's current model feels almost too full. It's all certainly relevant information, but I think we're losing some of the conciseness of the tables when we continue to add more to it.

			I welcome being able to hear your thoughts on why you went with certain design elements and if you think there may be a better solution.
			[[User:IceMaverick\|IceMaverick]] ([[User talk:IceMaverick\|talk]]) 21:00, 3/15/2015 (EST)

Hobbes at 23:50, 4 December 2014

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	::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)		::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.		:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.
	::::~~Well~~, ~~everyone may have personal preferences but there~~ are ~~solutions that visually work better than others and~~ wiki ~~decisions should be taken by discussion~~ and ~~consent. What are the reasons why he thinks that header solution is a good idea? To me the main propose of having such a header is~~ to ~~help people identify the content~~ of ~~the page, which can be debatable if~~ it ~~is really required, since the page name already states Long War in large letters, but let's stay~~ out of ~~that~~ discussion. ~~The issue here is that, as it is~~, ~~both the TOC and the header are two graphic elements in the same area of~~ the page ~~and they should be combined together~~ to ~~appear as~~ a ~~single element~~, ~~since they both have are in~~ the ~~same~~ visual ~~area and~~ have ~~both a functional propose. Having both standing out merely increases~~ the ~~visual clutter,~~ and the ~~most important items in the page shouldn't be the TOC or the header but the actual content~~. ~~Another question meanwhile: are all Long War pages going to have that header?~~ [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 16:39, 4 December 2014 (EST)		::::OK, just a few tips, you guys are doing a fine job in keeping the LW wiki and I prefer to keep myself out of it out of the discussion. First, decide upon some common rules regarding the general page appearance (headers yes/no, all pages?/just some sections, etc.). Second, try to keep visual clutter to a minimum, the more separate visual elements you have, the more distracting and tiresome it is to find the relevant info. Good work and let me know if you need any help. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 18:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)

Hobbes at 21:39, 4 December 2014

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	::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)		::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.		:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.
			::::Well, everyone may have personal preferences but there are solutions that visually work better than others and wiki decisions should be taken by discussion and consent. What are the reasons why he thinks that header solution is a good idea? To me the main propose of having such a header is to help people identify the content of the page, which can be debatable if it is really required, since the page name already states Long War in large letters, but let's stay out of that discussion. The issue here is that, as it is, both the TOC and the header are two graphic elements in the same area of the page and they should be combined together to appear as a single element, since they both have are in the same visual area and have both a functional propose. Having both standing out merely increases the visual clutter, and the most important items in the page shouldn't be the TOC or the header but the actual content. Another question meanwhile: are all Long War pages going to have that header? [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 16:39, 4 December 2014 (EST)

8wayz at 20:48, 4 December 2014

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	:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)		:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)		::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)
			:::The first variant was with the header at top-center and everything was working. Ellatan prefered the header to be to the right. In end it is just a question of personal preference, I would probably settle with removing the table of contents altogether from articles with Data/Info boxes and put the header on top of the box.

Hobbes at 19:19, 4 December 2014

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	f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)		f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)		:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)
			::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)

8wayz at 18:50, 4 December 2014

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	Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts and that gets tiring and disrupts reading.		Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts and that gets tiring and disrupts reading.
	f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)		f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.		:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)

8wayz at 18:50, 4 December 2014

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	Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts and that gets tiring and disrupts reading.		Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts and that gets tiring and disrupts reading.
	f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)		f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)
			:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.

Hobbes at 17:33, 4 December 2014

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	Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)		Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts and that gets tiring and disrupts reading.
			f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)

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Hello there. I just had a look at the updated layout for the Long War pages, and IMO it allows for better reading if you keep the infoboxes to the right of the page rather than the left. Otherwise people have to look where the actual text starts. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)

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	f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)		f you check Wikipedia, or even open a book or a newspaper you can see that text is usually always on the left and graphs/boxes/pics on the right. This is due to how our brains are conditioned to better process information (or at least in the Western countries, where we read from left to right. In the East or Muslim countries the opposite applies)[[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 12:27, 4 December 2014 (EST)
	:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)		:Roger that, it is still not set in stone, I am trying to find a better place for the Long War Header that Ellatan insisted placing on the right, atop of the Table of Contents. I personally would prefer the box to be to the right since it will be easier to format the text. I will see what the others think on the forums as well, it is relatively easy to change.--[[User:8wayz\|8wayz]] ([[User talk:8wayz\|talk]]) 13:50, 4 December 2014 (EST)
			::It is easy to change but if you have to change 100 pages then it becomes a painful chore, that's why I decided to drop you a line before you changed all the facilities pages :). I noticed that header as well. The best places might be for it to be right on the top of the TOC, or even on top of the page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)