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Hobbes at 17:41, 6 December 2013

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	Listed in the table as 250(same as normal and Alien grenades), but I have never seen a Smoke Grenade damage terrain at all. Is this a typo? [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 12:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)		Listed in the table as 250(same as normal and Alien grenades), but I have never seen a Smoke Grenade damage terrain at all. Is this a typo? [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 12:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)
			:Thanks for noticing. Fixed. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 12:41, 6 December 2013 (EST)

Arrow Quivershaft at 17:36, 6 December 2013

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	:''Fire a shot with +30% critical chance and extra damage on critical hits based on the tech level of the sniper rifle.'' So there's some bonus damage in there somewhere... [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 13:25, 6 November 2012 (EST)		:''Fire a shot with +30% critical chance and extra damage on critical hits based on the tech level of the sniper rifle.'' So there's some bonus damage in there somewhere... [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 13:25, 6 November 2012 (EST)

			==Smoke Grenade Terrain Damage==

			Listed in the table as 250(same as normal and Alien grenades), but I have never seen a Smoke Grenade damage terrain at all. Is this a typo? [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 12:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)

Arrow Quivershaft: /* Damage mechanics */

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	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:~~Put~~ a ~~bit clearer~~...~~using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus~~. ~~Two bonuses can really push a number up.~~ [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (~~EDT~~)		:''Fire a shot with +30% critical chance and extra damage on critical hits based on the tech level of the sniper rifle.'' So there's some bonus damage in there somewhere... [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 13:25, 6 November 2012 (EST)

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2012-11-03T13:15:27Z

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	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

Arrow Quivershaft at 07:42, 3 November 2012

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	:Ask the developers ;) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 18 October 2012 (EDT)		:Ask the developers ;) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 18 October 2012 (EDT)
	::In that case, I might do some research myself, when I have some time. I'm imagining that it has to do with the range at which the soldier will try to use the weapon for a reaction shot, but I don't know. Would be very easy to test. [[User:KingMob4313\|KingMob4313]] 16:55, 18 October 2012 (EDT)		::In that case, I might do some research myself, when I have some time. I'm imagining that it has to do with the range at which the soldier will try to use the weapon for a reaction shot, but I don't know. Would be very easy to test. [[User:KingMob4313\|KingMob4313]] 16:55, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

			:::So far, Reaction Range seems to be about 16-20 squares, assuming you see the target. (Some weapons, notably shotguns, have much lower EFFECTIVE ranges for reaction fire, but will still trigger at 15-20.) So far it seems that Squadsight Snipers can Reaction fire pretty much clear across the map, ASSUMING they have a clear line of fire to the alien. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:42, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

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Arrow Quivershaft: /* Damage mechanics */

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	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

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	:: Plasma rifle stats are definetly off. I have tried all-assault team and my assalut guy never manages to crit for more than 15 with his Alloy Canon, while my snipers regularily output up to 18 damage with crits from their Plasma Sniper Rifles. Which supposedly has the same stats! (9 DMG 13 CritDMG)[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 03:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:: Plasma rifle stats are definetly off. I have tried all-assault team and my assalut guy never manages to crit for more than 15 with his Alloy Canon, while my snipers regularily output up to 18 damage with crits from their Plasma Sniper Rifles. Which supposedly has the same stats! (9 DMG 13 CritDMG)[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 03:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really.		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

Arrow Quivershaft: /* Damage mechanics */ Are you using Headshot? That may account for the numbers.

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Damage mechanics: Are you using Headshot? That may account for the numbers.

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	:: Plasma rifle stats are definetly off. I have tried all-assault team and my assalut guy never manages to crit for more than 15 with his Alloy Canon, while my snipers regularily output up to 18 damage with crits from their Plasma Sniper Rifles. Which supposedly has the same stats! (9 DMG 13 CritDMG)[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 03:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:: Plasma rifle stats are definetly off. I have tried all-assault team and my assalut guy never manages to crit for more than 15 with his Alloy Canon, while my snipers regularily output up to 18 damage with crits from their Plasma Sniper Rifles. Which supposedly has the same stats! (9 DMG 13 CritDMG)[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 03:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really.

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	:: Even more interesting, managed to score 11 damage with a Plasma Sniper Rifle (no crit!). Which supposedly has 9 base damage and UI shows "up to 10 damage" can be dealt with it.[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 08:13, 1 November 2012 (EDT)		:: Even more interesting, managed to score 11 damage with a Plasma Sniper Rifle (no crit!). Which supposedly has 9 base damage and UI shows "up to 10 damage" can be dealt with it.[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 08:13, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

			:: Plasma rifle stats are definetly off. I have tried all-assault team and my assalut guy never manages to crit for more than 15 with his Alloy Canon, while my snipers regularily output up to 18 damage with crits from their Plasma Sniper Rifles. Which supposedly has the same stats! (9 DMG 13 CritDMG)[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 03:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

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	:: Mayhem is strange in that it confers damage bonus to rockets but based on your main weapon (LMG=1, HvL=2 or HvP=3), not the rocket launcher itself. Still, all those numbers, plus options to explode cars etc are out of question of my research here. I'm interested to see if someone has something to object (because all I can say is that I never saw a number X to pop, but maybe I wasnt paying attention or was just lucky/unlucky). Then we can add this to the wiki. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 10:43, 30 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Mayhem is strange in that it confers damage bonus to rockets but based on your main weapon (LMG=1, HvL=2 or HvP=3), not the rocket launcher itself. Still, all those numbers, plus options to explode cars etc are out of question of my research here. I'm interested to see if someone has something to object (because all I can say is that I never saw a number X to pop, but maybe I wasnt paying attention or was just lucky/unlucky). Then we can add this to the wiki. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 10:43, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

	:: Hmm, nope, something is wrong here. Just critted for 13 and 14 on a Muton with Laser Sniper Rifle. Which supposedly has 6 base 9 ~~crid~~ damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 11:58, 30 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Hmm, nope, something is wrong here. Just critted for 13 and 14 on a Muton with Laser Sniper Rifle. Which supposedly has 6 base 9 crit damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 11:58, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

			:: Even more interesting, managed to score 11 damage with a Plasma Sniper Rifle (no crit!). Which supposedly has 9 base damage and UI shows "up to 10 damage" can be dealt with it.[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 08:13, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

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	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:~~Put~~ a ~~bit clearer~~...~~using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus~~. ~~Two bonuses can really push a number up.~~ [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (~~EDT~~)		:''Fire a shot with +30% critical chance and extra damage on critical hits based on the tech level of the sniper rifle.'' So there's some bonus damage in there somewhere... [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 13:25, 6 November 2012 (EST)

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	:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:I've gotten 11 with the Plasma Sniper as well. Do note, however, that if you are using Headshot, the description for headshot says up front that it causes an increased hit chance, AND "Extra damage on critical hits". So the way I read it, Headshot adds a +30% to your Critical chance, and then, if you DO crit successfully, stacks extra damage onto the crit, on top of the already noticeable extra damage for BEING a crit. Kinda overkill, really. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

			:: Huh? What is exact wording on the Headshot? I thought it only increases crit chance... Anyway, that 11 hit was NOT a crit, so something must be off anyway, unless Headshot is worded to always add + damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 09:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

	:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)		:Put a bit clearer...using headshot and getting a crit does Normal Damage+Crit Bonus+Headshot Bonus. Two bonuses can really push a number up. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 03:39, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

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	:: Mayhem is strange in that it confers damage bonus to rockets but based on your main weapon (LMG=1, HvL=2 or HvP=3), not the rocket launcher itself. Still, all those numbers, plus options to explode cars etc are out of question of my research here. I'm interested to see if someone has something to object (because all I can say is that I never saw a number X to pop, but maybe I wasnt paying attention or was just lucky/unlucky). Then we can add this to the wiki. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 10:43, 30 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Mayhem is strange in that it confers damage bonus to rockets but based on your main weapon (LMG=1, HvL=2 or HvP=3), not the rocket launcher itself. Still, all those numbers, plus options to explode cars etc are out of question of my research here. I'm interested to see if someone has something to object (because all I can say is that I never saw a number X to pop, but maybe I wasnt paying attention or was just lucky/unlucky). Then we can add this to the wiki. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 10:43, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

	:: Hmm, nope, something is wrong here. Just critted for 13 and 14 on a Muton with Laser Sniper Rifle. Which supposedly has 6 base 9 ~~crid~~ damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 11:58, 30 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Hmm, nope, something is wrong here. Just critted for 13 and 14 on a Muton with Laser Sniper Rifle. Which supposedly has 6 base 9 crit damage. [[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 11:58, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

			:: Even more interesting, managed to score 11 damage with a Plasma Sniper Rifle (no crit!). Which supposedly has 9 base damage and UI shows "up to 10 damage" can be dealt with it.[[User:Istrebitel\|Istrebitel]] 08:13, 1 November 2012 (EDT)