Talk:Unit Stats (Apocalypse) - Revision history

Darkpast: /* Engineering/Biochemistry/Quantum Physics skills */ new section

2020-07-06T20:36:08Z

Engineering/Biochemistry/Quantum Physics skills: new section

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	:::Thank ''you'' for getting me off my butt regarding the Apocalypse section; I'd been letting it sit for way too long. You've done some decent work yourself as well. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)		:::Thank ''you'' for getting me off my butt regarding the Apocalypse section; I'd been letting it sit for way too long. You've done some decent work yourself as well. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

			== Engineering/Biochemistry/Quantum Physics skills ==

			Should these be mentioned here? I've thought about making a page for the technical personnel (in which case the skills would go there), but I'm not sure whether it's worth it. Any thoughts? [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-25T06:11:44Z

Difficulty adjustment

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	::::Good enough - thanks for all the work you put into this. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)		::::Good enough - thanks for all the work you put into this. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

			:::Thank ''you'' for getting me off my butt regarding the Apocalypse section; I'd been letting it sit for way too long. You've done some decent work yourself as well. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-24T15:43:21Z

Difficulty adjustment

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	:::About all I can guess is +(2 + 1%) per level; it fits all of those (the Hyperworm's obviously capped out), and the results if you hack an alien to 0 Psi-defence (you get 8 at Superhuman). It's just weird for one stat to have a different term to all the rest (and a fairly-minor stat at that). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)		:::About all I can guess is +(2 + 1%) per level; it fits all of those (the Hyperworm's obviously capped out), and the results if you hack an alien to 0 Psi-defence (you get 8 at Superhuman). It's just weird for one stat to have a different term to all the rest (and a fairly-minor stat at that). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

			::::Good enough - thanks for all the work you put into this. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 15:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-24T00:49:36Z

Difficulty adjustment

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	::Psimorph 80/82/85/88/91		::Psimorph 80/82/85/88/91
	::Micronoids 85/87/90/93/96 [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)		::Micronoids 85/87/90/93/96 [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

			:::About all I can guess is +(2 + 1%) per level; it fits all of those (the Hyperworm's obviously capped out), and the results if you hack an alien to 0 Psi-defence (you get 8 at Superhuman). It's just weird for one stat to have a different term to all the rest (and a fairly-minor stat at that). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 00:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-23T16:50:20Z

Difficulty adjustment

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	:Looks like 2% and 1%, which is about what I figured. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)		:Looks like 2% and 1%, which is about what I figured. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Excellent, so now we have all the formulas except Psi Defence, which I can't figure out either.
			::Multiworm 75/77/80/83/86
			::Hyperworm 90/92/95/98/100
			::Anthropod 40/42/44/47/49
			::Skeletoid 55/57/60/62/65
			::Psimorph 80/82/85/88/91
			::Micronoids 85/87/90/93/96 [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-23T09:43:54Z

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	[[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		[[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

			:Looks like 2% and 1%, which is about what I figured. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Difficulty adjustment */ signature

2020-06-22T17:37:58Z

Difficulty adjustment: signature

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			[[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-22T17:37:09Z

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	::The Psimorph is listed as 170 in the base stats (in the "Cityscape"/"Battlescape" sections of Apoc'd). It's there in the game files; it just gets overridden when the unit is actually initialised. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		::The Psimorph is listed as 170 in the base stats (in the "Cityscape"/"Battlescape" sections of Apoc'd). It's there in the game files; it just gets overridden when the unit is actually initialised. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

			:::Right, I was only looking at the save data. But it gave me an idea. I took three non-psi aliens and assigned them psi energy and psi attack scores. Here's what the difficulty adjustment produced (novice-easy-medium-hard-superhuman):
			:Psi Energy
			:10-10-10-10-10
			:25-25-26-26-27
			:45-45-46-47-48

			:Psi Attack
			:10-10-10-10-10
			:25-25-25-25-26
			:45-45-45-46-46

Magic9mushroom: /* Difficulty adjustment */

2020-06-22T09:16:20Z

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	:(Micronoids have no armor)		:(Micronoids have no armor)
	: Also, human enemy and even civilian stats are affected by difficulty as well, though it's difficult to say how due to them having randomized stats. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 08:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		: Also, human enemy and even civilian stats are affected by difficulty as well, though it's difficult to say how due to them having randomized stats. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 08:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

			::That looks like 16% per difficulty level. I knew about the human enemies being difficulty-adjusted, which is why I said the psi-active aliens were the only "solid" datapoints. The armour matches the progression, though, so the others probably do too. I hadn't really thought to check the civilian stats, because it's hard to think of a situation where they actually matter.

			::The Psimorph is listed as 170 in the base stats (in the "Cityscape"/"Battlescape" sections of Apoc'd). It's there in the game files; it just gets overridden when the unit is actually initialised. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 09:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Difficulty adjustment */ forgot queenspawn

2020-06-22T08:40:15Z

Difficulty adjustment: forgot queenspawn

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	\|Psimorph\|\|10/10/10/10\|\|11/11/11/11\|\|13/13/13/13\|\|14/14/14/14\|\|16/16/16/16		\|Psimorph\|\|10/10/10/10\|\|11/11/11/11\|\|13/13/13/13\|\|14/14/14/14\|\|16/16/16/16
			\|-
			\|Queenspawn\|\|30/30/30/30\|\|34/34/34/34\|\|39/39/39/39\|\|44/44/44/44\|\|49/49/49/49
	\|}		\|}

	:(Micronoids have no armor)		:(Micronoids have no armor)
	: Also, human enemy and even civilian stats are affected by difficulty as well, though it's difficult to say how due to them having randomized stats. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 08:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		: Also, human enemy and even civilian stats are affected by difficulty as well, though it's difficult to say how due to them having randomized stats. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 08:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)