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Venganza: /* Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort */

2009-08-05T22:10:56Z

Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort

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	:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)		:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
			::Doing another mission, knocking out friendly units doesn't count them as captured. I had a Floater Engineer knock himself and four other Floaters out (two MCed, two not MCed) and had only two Live captures as the end of the mission. Seems that Stunning makes them no longer flagged as aliens as per Zombie's input. [[User:Venganza\|Venganza]]
	This is a case of [[ExploitsB#Zombie.27s_Permanent_Control_of_Aliens_via_Stunning\|Permanent Mind Control Via Stunning]]. ;) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 18:07, 4 August 2009 (EDT)		This is a case of [[ExploitsB#Zombie.27s_Permanent_Control_of_Aliens_via_Stunning\|Permanent Mind Control Via Stunning]]. ;) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 18:07, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Zombie: /* Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort */ Reply.

2009-08-04T22:07:02Z

Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort: Reply.

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	:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)		:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

			This is a case of [[ExploitsB#Zombie.27s_Permanent_Control_of_Aliens_via_Stunning\|Permanent Mind Control Via Stunning]]. ;) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 18:07, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Spike: /* Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort */ Stunned mind controlled aliens

2009-08-04T09:18:45Z

Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort: Stunned mind controlled aliens

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	In UFO Defense today, I stunned a Sectoid Leader, Commander, and Medic after using Mind Control to locate and group them together, then had the Medic fire to knock them all out. To my great annoyance (I needed that commander!), none of them were counted as captured. Maybe this is part of the same bug, or it could be entirely different. [[User:Venganza\|Venganza]] 14:25, 3 August 2009 (EDT)		In UFO Defense today, I stunned a Sectoid Leader, Commander, and Medic after using Mind Control to locate and group them together, then had the Medic fire to knock them all out. To my great annoyance (I needed that commander!), none of them were counted as captured. Maybe this is part of the same bug, or it could be entirely different. [[User:Venganza\|Venganza]] 14:25, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

			:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

Venganza: /* Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort */

2009-08-03T18:25:16Z

Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort

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	Any explanations welcome! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 19:43, 12 October 2008 (CDT)		Any explanations welcome! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 19:43, 12 October 2008 (CDT)

			In UFO Defense today, I stunned a Sectoid Leader, Commander, and Medic after using Mind Control to locate and group them together, then had the Medic fire to knock them all out. To my great annoyance (I needed that commander!), none of them were counted as captured. Maybe this is part of the same bug, or it could be entirely different. [[User:Venganza\|Venganza]] 14:25, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Spike: New section: Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort

2008-10-13T00:43:47Z

New section: Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort

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	:::As for the bug in the hand slot, what's happening is that when the unit wakes up, the game forgets to clear the image of the body item in your hand slots. Clicking on the now non-existent item will cause the game to crash, although moving stuff into the hand slot will clear up the error. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:57, 7 October 2008 (CDT)		:::As for the bug in the hand slot, what's happening is that when the unit wakes up, the game forgets to clear the image of the body item in your hand slots. Clicking on the now non-existent item will cause the game to crash, although moving stuff into the hand slot will clear up the error. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:57, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

			== Bug: Stunned mind controlled soldiers simply disappear on Abort ==

			So I'm fighting my first Tasoth mission on the Liner in TFTD and I'm getting my butt kicked. I decide to do the honourable thing which is to conduct an orderly withdrawal back to the transport, collecting my fallen comrades, my valuable equipment (Heavy Gauss, Sonic Pulsers), and some critical research items: - 1 dead and live specimen of the Tasoths and Bio-Drones. The psionic attacks are non-stop, and I have to keep stunning those who are susceptible, so as to stop them running off and getting killed (which is a shame because, disarmed, they are very useful "psi-sinks" for drawing all the psionic attacks).

			Anyway when I finally bail out of there (sorry civilians, we tried!) I have only 4 effectives, plus 5 KIA and 5 stunned. I checked the 5 stunned bodies in the inventory screen and they were all there in Triton, with proper names rather than 'Corpse'. (I also checked the game save file using '''xcomutil dis''', and it also confirms the 5 stunned soldiers are in the Triton).

			The Abort screen confirms there are 4 X-Com effectives in the boat, 0 outside the area, and the summary screen confirms the 5 KIAs. There is no mention of any "Missing" soldiers on the summary screen.

			However when I get back to base, only one of the stunned soldiers has rejoined my roster. He is both the most senior (XCom Commander), and the first stunned soldier on the list, in case that is significant. The other 4 soldiers have disappeared.

			Another piece of weirdness I just noticed. The summary screen reported 5 Alien corpses recovered, and does not mention any live aliens captured, but I brought back 3 corpses (Tasoth, BioDrone, Calcinite) and 2 stunned live aliens (Tasoth, BioDrone). Maybe the summary reporting works a little differently when Abort rather than win the mission.

			I have looked through the Known Bugs and the articles on Stun and Unconscious without seeing an explanation. The closest thing I can see is Mind Controlled units going MIA. The mind control happened many turns ago for most of these guys but yes, it's possible that all but one were mind controlled when they were stunned. The one non-missing soldier was possibly stunned "pre-emptively".

			Perhaps I have to wake them up before I Abort? I don't have enough Stimulant left in the Medikits to wake these guys up as they are a long, long way under. Also I was using the Medikits to fight off smoke inhalation. Yes I think it's finally time to research some armour, as well as MC screening labs.

			I am running with XcomUtil and I think that does attempt to fiddle with the MIA results which may be a complicating factor. I have the game save file directory if anyone wants it to look at.

			Any explanations welcome! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 19:43, 12 October 2008 (CDT)

NKF: /* Exploitation? */

2008-10-08T04:57:22Z

Exploitation?

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	::If you are after a way to exploit unconsciousness, take all your sleeping aliens and put all except one close to one another, but not in the same square. Preferably in a corner or room where they can't get by you. When they wake up, shoot them with a small launcher for firing accuracy experience. As long as there is one alien still on his feet, the level will never end. Boring, but only way I know of to exploit the mechanic.--[[User:Brunpal\|Brunpal]] 23:43, 7 October 2008 (CDT)		::If you are after a way to exploit unconsciousness, take all your sleeping aliens and put all except one close to one another, but not in the same square. Preferably in a corner or room where they can't get by you. When they wake up, shoot them with a small launcher for firing accuracy experience. As long as there is one alien still on his feet, the level will never end. Boring, but only way I know of to exploit the mechanic.--[[User:Brunpal\|Brunpal]] 23:43, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

			::: I don't think it's possible to apply stun damage to the body, as the damage will work against the armour level of the body object itself as opposed to the stats that belong to it (this explains why HE can easily wipe out any unconscious alien no matter their health or their resistance to HE). This only applies to UFO/TFTD, but certainly does work in Apocalypse.

			:::As for the bug in the hand slot, what's happening is that when the unit wakes up, the game forgets to clear the image of the body item in your hand slots. Clicking on the now non-existent item will cause the game to crash, although moving stuff into the hand slot will clear up the error. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:57, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

Brunpal: /* Exploitation? */ "no" to MC's question

2008-10-08T04:43:20Z

Exploitation?: "no" to MC's question

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	: Sorry about his, but this had gone off topic. I wanted to see if an unconscious unti that wakes up in a hand slot could be kept unconscious by placing in your backpack. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 18:46, 7 October 2008 (CDT)		: Sorry about his, but this had gone off topic. I wanted to see if an unconscious unti that wakes up in a hand slot could be kept unconscious by placing in your backpack. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 18:46, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

			::Nope, it can still wake up. I assumed you meant backpack as there is a bug with an alien that wakes up from a hand slot. It crashes the game. Only way I know if to keep an alien unconscious is by shooting their body with small launchers. They still take stun damage but doesn't harm the items (and the body is now classed as an item.) That's not indefinite, but will last the rest of the mission.

			::If you are after a way to exploit unconsciousness, take all your sleeping aliens and put all except one close to one another, but not in the same square. Preferably in a corner or room where they can't get by you. When they wake up, shoot them with a small launcher for firing accuracy experience. As long as there is one alien still on his feet, the level will never end. Boring, but only way I know of to exploit the mechanic.--[[User:Brunpal\|Brunpal]] 23:43, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

Muton commander: Forgot Name

2008-10-07T23:46:33Z

Forgot Name

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	:I did say non-terror units. ;) Stunned Chryssalids should be grenaded, no question. Same with stunned Celatids. Stunned Silacoids aren't usually a problem, though. And no, there's no purpose destroying an already-dead corpse, but if you grenade a stunned alien(instead of killing it after waking it up) there's no body, and thus no $20,000 corpse to sell. Although as I said, I don't think this is a valid reason to not kill a stunned Psi-capable alien, or anyone else you don't want wandering around behind your lines. Your financial situation should be healthier than that. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 23:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)		:I did say non-terror units. ;) Stunned Chryssalids should be grenaded, no question. Same with stunned Celatids. Stunned Silacoids aren't usually a problem, though. And no, there's no purpose destroying an already-dead corpse, but if you grenade a stunned alien(instead of killing it after waking it up) there's no body, and thus no $20,000 corpse to sell. Although as I said, I don't think this is a valid reason to not kill a stunned Psi-capable alien, or anyone else you don't want wandering around behind your lines. Your financial situation should be healthier than that. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 23:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

	: Sorry about his, but this had gone off topic. I wanted to see if an unconscious unti that wakes up in a hand slot could be kept unconscious by placing in your backpack.		: Sorry about his, but this had gone off topic. I wanted to see if an unconscious unti that wakes up in a hand slot could be kept unconscious by placing in your backpack. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 18:46, 7 October 2008 (CDT)

Muton commander: Exploitation? Real Reason for the Post

2008-10-07T23:46:12Z

Exploitation? Real Reason for the Post

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	:I did say non-terror units. ;) Stunned Chryssalids should be grenaded, no question. Same with stunned Celatids. Stunned Silacoids aren't usually a problem, though. And no, there's no purpose destroying an already-dead corpse, but if you grenade a stunned alien(instead of killing it after waking it up) there's no body, and thus no $20,000 corpse to sell. Although as I said, I don't think this is a valid reason to not kill a stunned Psi-capable alien, or anyone else you don't want wandering around behind your lines. Your financial situation should be healthier than that. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 23:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)		:I did say non-terror units. ;) Stunned Chryssalids should be grenaded, no question. Same with stunned Celatids. Stunned Silacoids aren't usually a problem, though. And no, there's no purpose destroying an already-dead corpse, but if you grenade a stunned alien(instead of killing it after waking it up) there's no body, and thus no $20,000 corpse to sell. Although as I said, I don't think this is a valid reason to not kill a stunned Psi-capable alien, or anyone else you don't want wandering around behind your lines. Your financial situation should be healthier than that. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 23:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

			: Sorry about his, but this had gone off topic. I wanted to see if an unconscious unti that wakes up in a hand slot could be kept unconscious by placing in your backpack.

Arrow Quivershaft: Response to NKF

2008-10-07T04:20:49Z

Response to NKF

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	:: Two really quick notes: 1) Chryssalids 2) There's no purpose in destroying a corpse. Although I take it we're talking about an unconscious body. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:15, 6 October 2008 (CDT)		:: Two really quick notes: 1) Chryssalids 2) There's no purpose in destroying a corpse. Although I take it we're talking about an unconscious body. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:15, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

			:I did say non-terror units. ;) Stunned Chryssalids should be grenaded, no question. Same with stunned Celatids. Stunned Silacoids aren't usually a problem, though. And no, there's no purpose destroying an already-dead corpse, but if you grenade a stunned alien(instead of killing it after waking it up) there's no body, and thus no $20,000 corpse to sell. Although as I said, I don't think this is a valid reason to not kill a stunned Psi-capable alien, or anyone else you don't want wandering around behind your lines. Your financial situation should be healthier than that. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 23:20, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

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	:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)		:Interesting. Are you able to replay it and allow one or more aliens to come out of Mind Control first before you use the Medic to stun them? Then see if they count as captured. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:18, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
			::Doing another mission, knocking out friendly units doesn't count them as captured. I had a Floater Engineer knock himself and four other Floaters out (two MCed, two not MCed) and had only two Live captures as the end of the mission. Seems that Stunning makes them no longer flagged as aliens as per Zombie's input. [[User:Venganza\|Venganza]]
	This is a case of [[ExploitsB#Zombie.27s_Permanent_Control_of_Aliens_via_Stunning\|Permanent Mind Control Via Stunning]]. ;) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 18:07, 4 August 2009 (EDT)		This is a case of [[ExploitsB#Zombie.27s_Permanent_Control_of_Aliens_via_Stunning\|Permanent Mind Control Via Stunning]]. ;) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 18:07, 4 August 2009 (EDT)