Talk:UFO Crash Recovery - Revision history

PocketUFOPlayer? at 07:16, 27 September 2019

2019-09-27T07:16:32Z

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	Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the ~~North~~ Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the South Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the ~~North~~ Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the South Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.

Magic9mushroom: /* Small scout survivors */

2015-05-09T01:18:00Z

Small scout survivors

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	* If not, this at least maks it less disturbing. Presumably the survivors jumped off, or got a few seconds "grace period" before the explosion, which they used to escape. In programming terms, they're likely spawned directly outside the ship before the explosion is applied.		* If not, this at least maks it less disturbing. Presumably the survivors jumped off, or got a few seconds "grace period" before the explosion, which they used to escape. In programming terms, they're likely spawned directly outside the ship before the explosion is applied.
	* If yes, then I have no answer.[[User:Medinoc\|Medinoc]] ([[User talk:Medinoc\|talk]]) 12:13, 8 May 2015 (EDT)		* If yes, then I have no answer.[[User:Medinoc\|Medinoc]] ([[User talk:Medinoc\|talk]]) 12:13, 8 May 2015 (EDT)

			:There is only one alien on a Small Scout, crashed or landed (there's no difference, since Small Scouts don't have a Power Source). I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about with "disturbing". Elaborate? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 21:18, 8 May 2015 (EDT)

Medinoc: /* Small scout survivors */ new section

2015-05-08T16:13:55Z

Small scout survivors: new section

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	Would love to have an authoritative answer, and it really should be on the page. I'll try to time in in the meantime.[[User:Oathbreaker\|Oathbreaker]] 13:17, 9 February 2013 (EST)		Would love to have an authoritative answer, and it really should be on the page. I'll try to time in in the meantime.[[User:Oathbreaker\|Oathbreaker]] 13:17, 9 February 2013 (EST)
	:I'm pretty sure it's 3 days (72 hours), and it's stored at [[LOC.DAT]] offset 6-7. However, "pretty sure" is not strictly authoritative. :) I also looked for it on UFOpedia, couldn't find it, and so I started watching LOC.DAT, once ... but didn't stick with it. Maybe LOC.DAT will make it easier for you to work with? For the ultimate test, try ''changing'' it for a crash and see what happens. -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 17:16, 9 February 2013 (EST)		:I'm pretty sure it's 3 days (72 hours), and it's stored at [[LOC.DAT]] offset 6-7. However, "pretty sure" is not strictly authoritative. :) I also looked for it on UFOpedia, couldn't find it, and so I started watching LOC.DAT, once ... but didn't stick with it. Maybe LOC.DAT will make it easier for you to work with? For the ultimate test, try ''changing'' it for a crash and see what happens. -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 17:16, 9 February 2013 (EST)

			== Small scout survivors ==

			Are any of the survivors ''in'' the UFO on small scout crashes?
			* If not, this at least maks it less disturbing. Presumably the survivors jumped off, or got a few seconds "grace period" before the explosion, which they used to escape. In programming terms, they're likely spawned directly outside the ship before the explosion is applied.
			* If yes, then I have no answer.[[User:Medinoc\|Medinoc]] ([[User talk:Medinoc\|talk]]) 12:13, 8 May 2015 (EDT)

MikeTheRed: Reply to Oathbreaker - You're right, we should have this info on the wiki

2013-02-09T22:16:13Z

Reply to Oathbreaker - You're right, we should have this info on the wiki

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	Would love to have an authoritative answer, and it really should be on the page. I'll try to time in in the meantime.[[User:Oathbreaker\|Oathbreaker]] 13:17, 9 February 2013 (EST)		Would love to have an authoritative answer, and it really should be on the page. I'll try to time in in the meantime.[[User:Oathbreaker\|Oathbreaker]] 13:17, 9 February 2013 (EST)
			:I'm pretty sure it's 3 days (72 hours), and it's stored at [[LOC.DAT]] offset 6-7. However, "pretty sure" is not strictly authoritative. :) I also looked for it on UFOpedia, couldn't find it, and so I started watching LOC.DAT, once ... but didn't stick with it. Maybe LOC.DAT will make it easier for you to work with? For the ultimate test, try ''changing'' it for a crash and see what happens. -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 17:16, 9 February 2013 (EST)

Oathbreaker: /* How long do Crashed UFOs stay on the ground? */ new section

2013-02-09T18:18:00Z

How long do Crashed UFOs stay on the ground?: new section

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	Especially with the smoke of the explosion still around you could interpret this as the power systems have an emergency shut off when they are too damaged, which causes the crash, and the explosion only happens when they try to restart the engines/PS before they are fixed when the detect your team landing in the area, hence the explosion happening in the alien turn before you land. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 10:46, 10 March 2007 (PST)		Especially with the smoke of the explosion still around you could interpret this as the power systems have an emergency shut off when they are too damaged, which causes the crash, and the explosion only happens when they try to restart the engines/PS before they are fixed when the detect your team landing in the area, hence the explosion happening in the alien turn before you land. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 10:46, 10 March 2007 (PST)

			== How long do Crashed UFOs stay on the ground? ==

			Would love to have an authoritative answer, and it really should be on the page. I'll try to time in in the meantime.[[User:Oathbreaker\|Oathbreaker]] 13:17, 9 February 2013 (EST)

Zombie: /* Terror Ship */ Added Min damage scenario pics and summary, also added anticipated averages header.

2008-12-13T01:11:24Z

Terror Ship: Added Min damage scenario pics and summary, also added anticipated averages header.

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	==== Min Damage ====		==== Min Damage ====
	<~~div style~~="~~color:red~~">~~Coming soon!~~</~~div~~>		This time I saw all the possible blast configurations so I'll need to revisit the max damage scenario for this ship and try to get the South PS to blow. In any case, for the West, South and East configurations, you recover 87 AA. The North configuration yielded one less unit with 86 AA.
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			Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-W_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the West Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Terror-W_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the West Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
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			==== Ave Damage ====
			The anticipated number of Alien Alloys recovered for the average crash is calculated to be 80 units (INT(74+86)/2) or (INT(74+87)/2).

	=== Battleship ===		=== Battleship ===

Zombie: /* Abductor */ Added Min damage scenario pics and summary, also added anticipated averages header.

2008-11-28T04:30:11Z

Abductor: Added Min damage scenario pics and summary, also added anticipated averages header.

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	Image:Abduct-W_MaxDam_L1.png\|Maximum destruction dealt to the West side of the Abductor on level 1 when a Power Source explodes with 250 damage.		Image:Abduct-W_MaxDam_L1.png\|Maximum destruction dealt to the West side of the Abductor on level 1 when a Power Source explodes with 250 damage.
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	If only one PS explodes with maximum power (either side, the craft is symmetrical), you recover 64 Alien Alloys or if you put it another way, you lose 6 units. Extrapolating to full destruction on both PS's you would thus expect to lose 12 when you actually lose 11. This is due to integer rounding which is expected.		If only one PS explodes with maximum power (either side, the craft is supposedly symmetrical), you recover 64 Alien Alloys or if you put it another way, you lose 6 units. Extrapolating to full destruction on both PS's you would thus expect to lose 12 when you actually lose 11. This is due to integer rounding which is expected.
	==== Min Damage ====		==== Min Damage ====
	<~~div style~~="~~color:red~~">~~Coming soon!~~</~~div~~>		Below are a couple pics from one of the three scenarios possible (both PS's explode with min damage). You can extrapolate what the other two should look like. When both explode, the amount of recoverable Alien Alloys is 65 (or 5 AA lost). When the West PS explodes, you get 68 AA (or 2 AA lost), while just the East yields 67 AA (or 3 AA lost). Obviously, the East PS scenario is causing more damage somehow. Why? Well, it's due to the orientation of the inner UFO walls. See, in the West the inner wall is located 3 tiles away from the blast (on the west side of tile 3). In the East the inner wall is located on the west side of the tile, but 2 squares away. Since the wall is closer, the blast is just able to destroy the segments. So the Abductor (as well as any UFO) is never perfectly symmetrical, but more powerful blasts may mask the asymmetry introduced by map construction limitations. If you are wondering why there is an undamaged tile and a half running to the North of each PS, it's because those combination tiles have an armor rating of 100, 20 points more than the normal UFO floor tile counterparts (another MCD issue).
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			Image:Abductor-W+E L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Abductor on the ground level when the Power Sources explode with 180 damage.
			Image:Abductor-W+E L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Abductor on level 1 when the Power Sources explode with 180 damage.
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			==== Ave Damage ====
			Anticipated average recoverable AA for the W+E scenario is 62: INT((59+65)/2). For just the West it's 66: INT((64+68)/2) while just the East should yield 65: INT((64+67)/2).

	=== Terror Ship ===		=== Terror Ship ===

Zombie: /* Harvester */ Added Min damage summary for Harvester, ave damage header.

2008-11-25T06:16:31Z

Harvester: Added Min damage summary for Harvester, ave damage header.

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	==== Min Damage ====		==== Min Damage ====
	<~~div style~~="~~color:red~~">~~Coming soon!~~</~~div~~>		The blast produced by a PS with 180 HE is fairly small and occupies only a 4×3 area. This is just enough to open up the wall into the central lift room and destroy the second Power Source. In both the East and West configurations, you should recover 14 Alien Food, 8 Surgery, 10 Navigations and 94 Alien Alloys
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			Image:Harvester MinDam-W L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to Harvester on ground level when the West Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Harvester MinDam-W L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to Harvester on level 1 when the West Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Harvester MinDam-E L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to Harvester on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
			Image:Harvester MinDam-E L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to Harvester on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
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			==== Ave Damage ====
			The anticipated number of Alien Alloys recovered for the average crash is calculated to be 92 units (INT(90+94)/2).

	=== Abductor ===		=== Abductor ===

Zombie: /* Min Damage */ Converted image to thumbnail.

2008-11-24T23:15:56Z

Min Damage: Converted image to thumbnail.

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	PS yield is so low that damage never propagated outside the craft. For this reason I didn't include a pic of that view. Internally, only part of the engine room walls were destroyed. This coupled with the fact that the explosion didn't make a hole in the roof increased the number of alien alloys to 31 units.		PS yield is so low that damage never propagated outside the craft. For this reason I didn't include a pic of that view. Internally, only part of the engine room walls were destroyed. This coupled with the fact that the explosion didn't make a hole in the roof increased the number of alien alloys to 31 units.

	[[Image:LgScout_MinDam_L0.png\|left\|200px\|Minimum destruction dealt to Large Scout on ground level when the Power Source explodes with 180 damage.]]		[[Image:LgScout_MinDam_L0.png\|left\|thumb\|200px\|Minimum destruction dealt to Large Scout on ground level when the Power Source explodes with 180 damage.]]
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Zombie: /* Large Scout */ Added Large Scout Min damage, also added anticipated average heading.

2008-11-24T23:14:52Z

Large Scout: Added Large Scout Min damage, also added anticipated average heading.

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	==== Min Damage ====		==== Min Damage ====
	~~<div style="color:red">Coming soon!</div>~~		PS yield is so low that damage never propagated outside the craft. For this reason I didn't include a pic of that view. Internally, only part of the engine room walls were destroyed. This coupled with the fact that the explosion didn't make a hole in the roof increased the number of alien alloys to 31 units.

			[[Image:LgScout_MinDam_L0.png\|left\|200px\|Minimum destruction dealt to Large Scout on ground level when the Power Source explodes with 180 damage.]]
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			==== Ave Damage ====
			The anticipated number of Alien Alloys recovered for the average crash is calculated to be 29 units (INT(28+31)/2).

	=== Harvester ===		=== Harvester ===

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	Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-N_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the North Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the ~~North~~ Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the South Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the ~~North~~ Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-S_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the South Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L0.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on ground level when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.
	Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.		Image:Terror-E_MinDam_L1.png\|Minimum destruction dealt to the Terror Ship on level 1 when the East Power Source explodes with 180 damage.