Talk:Tactical Exploits - Revision history

Arrow Quivershaft: Response to Tifi

2009-02-02T21:34:05Z

Response to Tifi

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	Not so much an exploit imho, but rather your guys actually paying attention to thier surroundings. <br>		Not so much an exploit imho, but rather your guys actually paying attention to thier surroundings. <br>
	[[User:Tifi\|Tifi]] 14:50, 2 February 2009 (CST)		[[User:Tifi\|Tifi]] 14:50, 2 February 2009 (CST)

			:Speaking as the person who added the exploit, I agree that is a logical explanation in some situations, where the alien is reasonably near you. But as killed aliens lower the morale of all aliens on the map, its entirely possible it could be in an area you haven't adequetely explored yet(inside the UFO, for example, or in a barn you saw briefly a few turns ago but have since moved away from) or no longer have units in(wounded alien that was knocked out and woke up and is now wandering around behind your lines with low morale from alien losses and his own injuries). But thanks for your take on it!

			:Also recall that an alien that panics may drop his weapon, which may make them less dangerous(Mutons, Floaters, and Snakemen who aren't carrying grenades), more dangerous(any of the above who ARE packing grenades) or extremely dangerous(any psionic alien who no longer has any other weapons.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:34, 2 February 2009 (CST)

Tifi at 20:50, 2 February 2009

2009-02-02T20:50:49Z

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	: I sometimes find that if you skip lots of turns and do nothing, the alien turn will gradually shorten as well. Did this a lot back when I was arming all my grenades and then waiting a few turns before deploying. Bad move by the way for an 8+ grenades per team member. Don't follow in this madman's footsteps!		: I sometimes find that if you skip lots of turns and do nothing, the alien turn will gradually shorten as well. Did this a lot back when I was arming all my grenades and then waiting a few turns before deploying. Bad move by the way for an 8+ grenades per team member. Don't follow in this madman's footsteps!
	: One way to ensure that the mission won't end suddenly is to knock out an alien, haul it back to the entry points and get it to wake up. That way you can safely wipe out everything else in the base and take your time picking up all your groceries before heading home. You can keep your captive in control by plugging the grav lift with a tank or have some folks stand guard on the lift below. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:06, 1 February 2009 (CST)		: One way to ensure that the mission won't end suddenly is to knock out an alien, haul it back to the entry points and get it to wake up. That way you can safely wipe out everything else in the base and take your time picking up all your groceries before heading home. You can keep your captive in control by plugging the grav lift with a tank or have some folks stand guard on the lift below. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:06, 1 February 2009 (CST)

			== Panicking Alien Location ==

			This is noted as an exploit, which I suppose is fair enough if you're going 'by the book'. <br>
			But I've always thought of it as your guys either hearing some wail of despair off in a particular direction, or seeing the movement of a panicky critter flailing about or rocking back and forth behind a barrel or something. <br>
			Not so much an exploit imho, but rather your guys actually paying attention to thier surroundings. <br>
			[[User:Tifi\|Tifi]] 14:50, 2 February 2009 (CST)

NKF: /* Milking Alien Bases */

2009-02-02T05:06:06Z

Milking Alien Bases

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	The vertical blaster bomb bug only works if the two waypoints are stacked on each other. There are some large gravlifts in both alien bases and battleships, and I've, on rare occassions, seen the AI successfully splatter large portions of my squad by firing diagonally up an extra-wide grav lift shaft. It should also be noted that there are two ways to determine how many aliens are left with some degree of accuracy. Knowing the difficulty you're on, you can count your kills and compare them to the complement of spawned aliens. This is a bit imprecise due to the somewhat random nature of spawns, but at least you know that if you're playing on Beginner, and have killed three terror units in an alien base, there won't be any more to kill, is nice(outside of a [[Chryssalid\|specific exception]]). You can also get an idea how many aliens are left by gauging the length of the alien turn. The alien turn will get increasingly shorter as the AI runs out of units to move. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:03, 1 February 2009 (CST)		The vertical blaster bomb bug only works if the two waypoints are stacked on each other. There are some large gravlifts in both alien bases and battleships, and I've, on rare occassions, seen the AI successfully splatter large portions of my squad by firing diagonally up an extra-wide grav lift shaft. It should also be noted that there are two ways to determine how many aliens are left with some degree of accuracy. Knowing the difficulty you're on, you can count your kills and compare them to the complement of spawned aliens. This is a bit imprecise due to the somewhat random nature of spawns, but at least you know that if you're playing on Beginner, and have killed three terror units in an alien base, there won't be any more to kill, is nice(outside of a [[Chryssalid\|specific exception]]). You can also get an idea how many aliens are left by gauging the length of the alien turn. The alien turn will get increasingly shorter as the AI runs out of units to move. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:03, 1 February 2009 (CST)

			: I sometimes find that if you skip lots of turns and do nothing, the alien turn will gradually shorten as well. Did this a lot back when I was arming all my grenades and then waiting a few turns before deploying. Bad move by the way for an 8+ grenades per team member. Don't follow in this madman's footsteps!
			: One way to ensure that the mission won't end suddenly is to knock out an alien, haul it back to the entry points and get it to wake up. That way you can safely wipe out everything else in the base and take your time picking up all your groceries before heading home. You can keep your captive in control by plugging the grav lift with a tank or have some folks stand guard on the lift below. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:06, 1 February 2009 (CST)

Arrow Quivershaft: /* Milking Alien Bases */ Preview!

2009-02-01T21:03:21Z

Milking Alien Bases: Preview!

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	==Milking Alien Bases==		==Milking Alien Bases==

	The vertical blaster bomb bug only works if the two waypoints are stacked on each other. There are some large gravlifts in both alien bases and battleships, and I've, on rare occassions, seen the AI successfully splatter large portions of my squad by firing diagonally up an extra-wide grav lift shaft. It should also be noted that there are two ways to determine how many aliens are left with some degree of accuracy. Knowing the difficulty you're on, you can count your kills and compare them to the complement of spawned aliens. This is a bit imprecise due to the somewhat random nature of spawns, but at least you know that if you're playing on Beginner, and have killed three terror units in an alien base, there won't be any more to kill, is nice(outside of a [[Chryssalid\|specific exception]]. You can also get an idea how many aliens are left by gauging the length of the alien turn. The alien turn will get increasingly shorter as the AI runs out of units to move. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:03, 1 February 2009 (CST)		The vertical blaster bomb bug only works if the two waypoints are stacked on each other. There are some large gravlifts in both alien bases and battleships, and I've, on rare occassions, seen the AI successfully splatter large portions of my squad by firing diagonally up an extra-wide grav lift shaft. It should also be noted that there are two ways to determine how many aliens are left with some degree of accuracy. Knowing the difficulty you're on, you can count your kills and compare them to the complement of spawned aliens. This is a bit imprecise due to the somewhat random nature of spawns, but at least you know that if you're playing on Beginner, and have killed three terror units in an alien base, there won't be any more to kill, is nice(outside of a [[Chryssalid\|specific exception]]). You can also get an idea how many aliens are left by gauging the length of the alien turn. The alien turn will get increasingly shorter as the AI runs out of units to move. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:03, 1 February 2009 (CST)

Arrow Quivershaft: Response to Spike's edit about Milking Alien Bases.

2009-02-01T21:03:03Z

Response to Spike's edit about Milking Alien Bases.

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	: There is discussion of the [[Steam Versions]] on their own page already. The Blaster bug is fixed by [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]]'s UFOExtender Loader, if you fancy a fair fight against the aliens. ;) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:21, 29 November 2008 (CST)		: There is discussion of the [[Steam Versions]] on their own page already. The Blaster bug is fixed by [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]]'s UFOExtender Loader, if you fancy a fair fight against the aliens. ;) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:21, 29 November 2008 (CST)


			==Milking Alien Bases==

			The vertical blaster bomb bug only works if the two waypoints are stacked on each other. There are some large gravlifts in both alien bases and battleships, and I've, on rare occassions, seen the AI successfully splatter large portions of my squad by firing diagonally up an extra-wide grav lift shaft. It should also be noted that there are two ways to determine how many aliens are left with some degree of accuracy. Knowing the difficulty you're on, you can count your kills and compare them to the complement of spawned aliens. This is a bit imprecise due to the somewhat random nature of spawns, but at least you know that if you're playing on Beginner, and have killed three terror units in an alien base, there won't be any more to kill, is nice(outside of a [[Chryssalid\|specific exception]]. You can also get an idea how many aliens are left by gauging the length of the alien turn. The alien turn will get increasingly shorter as the AI runs out of units to move. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:03, 1 February 2009 (CST)

Spike: /* Steam Downloaded Versions */ pointer to Steam page on this wiki and how to fix the bug

2008-11-29T22:21:47Z

Steam Downloaded Versions: pointer to Steam page on this wiki and how to fix the bug

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	::In the DOS version, if two Blaster Bomb waypoints are stacked right on top of each other(on different elevations), the BB will travel them correctly. When such is done in the CE version, the Blaster Bomb will instead travel directly south from its waypoint, which often means that the firer will blow themselves up(very common for aliens in elevators). Since the post implies he lost half his team to an alien BB, this would indeed confirm that the Steam versions are DOS in DOSBox. (Which also makes sense for all sorts of reasons; far easier to run DOSBox on most modern computers than try and make them run CE.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 18:26, 28 November 2008 (CST)		::In the DOS version, if two Blaster Bomb waypoints are stacked right on top of each other(on different elevations), the BB will travel them correctly. When such is done in the CE version, the Blaster Bomb will instead travel directly south from its waypoint, which often means that the firer will blow themselves up(very common for aliens in elevators). Since the post implies he lost half his team to an alien BB, this would indeed confirm that the Steam versions are DOS in DOSBox. (Which also makes sense for all sorts of reasons; far easier to run DOSBox on most modern computers than try and make them run CE.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 18:26, 28 November 2008 (CST)

			: There is discussion of the [[Steam Versions]] on their own page already. The Blaster bug is fixed by [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]]'s UFOExtender Loader, if you fancy a fair fight against the aliens. ;) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:21, 29 November 2008 (CST)

Arrow Quivershaft: Clarifying.

2008-11-29T00:26:35Z

Clarifying.

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	: You have it backwards. The vertical move thing is a CE issue, i think. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 17:04, 28 November 2008 (CST)		: You have it backwards. The vertical move thing is a CE issue, i think. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 17:04, 28 November 2008 (CST)

			::In the DOS version, if two Blaster Bomb waypoints are stacked right on top of each other(on different elevations), the BB will travel them correctly. When such is done in the CE version, the Blaster Bomb will instead travel directly south from its waypoint, which often means that the firer will blow themselves up(very common for aliens in elevators). Since the post implies he lost half his team to an alien BB, this would indeed confirm that the Steam versions are DOS in DOSBox. (Which also makes sense for all sorts of reasons; far easier to run DOSBox on most modern computers than try and make them run CE.) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 18:26, 28 November 2008 (CST)

(name here) at 23:04, 28 November 2008

2008-11-28T23:04:05Z

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	==Steam Downloaded Versions==		==Steam Downloaded Versions==
	If you don't know, the Steam Versions of X-COM are all run in DOSBox, so it should be treated as a DOS type game. I found this out the hard way during a base defense where a Blaster Bomb successfully made a vertical move and killed half my team. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 16:03, 28 November 2008 (CST)		If you don't know, the Steam Versions of X-COM are all run in DOSBox, so it should be treated as a DOS type game. I found this out the hard way during a base defense where a Blaster Bomb successfully made a vertical move and killed half my team. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 16:03, 28 November 2008 (CST)

			: You have it backwards. The vertical move thing is a CE issue, i think. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 17:04, 28 November 2008 (CST)

Muton commander: Steam Uses DOSBox

2008-11-28T22:03:30Z

Steam Uses DOSBox

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	Has anyone tried reversing the positions of the alien and the soldier to see through the POV of the alien? It might just be that the alien has a harder time spotting a unit directly below it. Perhaps some heavy use of mind control, or even simply using XComutil's SWP command might be of some help here. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 20:41, 27 November 2007 (PST)		Has anyone tried reversing the positions of the alien and the soldier to see through the POV of the alien? It might just be that the alien has a harder time spotting a unit directly below it. Perhaps some heavy use of mind control, or even simply using XComutil's SWP command might be of some help here. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 20:41, 27 November 2007 (PST)

			==Steam Downloaded Versions==
			If you don't know, the Steam Versions of X-COM are all run in DOSBox, so it should be treated as a DOS type game. I found this out the hard way during a base defense where a Blaster Bomb successfully made a vertical move and killed half my team. [[User:Muton commander\|Muton commander]] 16:03, 28 November 2008 (CST)

Spike: Talk:ExploitsE moved to Talk:Tactical Exploits: To give the page a self-descriptive name consistent with its contents and the description on the main Exploits page.

2008-11-19T21:37:34Z

Talk:ExploitsE moved to Talk:Tactical Exploits: To give the page a self-descriptive name consistent with its contents and the description on the main Exploits page.

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