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NKF: /* Invalid aliens */

2012-12-28T02:51:15Z

Invalid aliens

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	[[User:Sherlock\|Sherlock]] 16:24, 27 December 2012 (EST)		[[User:Sherlock\|Sherlock]] 16:24, 27 December 2012 (EST)

			: I doubt any warez peddlers in the past would've bothered to alter the game except to insert a virus or to insert their signature into the game, much less go to such lengths to affect such an obscure aspect of the game. In this day and age though, I don't think it's really that much of a concern anymore. I've never been able to replicate it, and it's likely a result of (old) 3rd party editors altering the save files improperly. Can't rule out run-time glitches too. Of course, still open to anyone providing a copy of the game if it just so happens to occur again. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:51, 27 December 2012 (EST)

	==Things that are not bugs==		==Things that are not bugs==

Sherlock: /* Invalid aliens */

2012-12-27T21:27:45Z

Invalid aliens

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	The problem is unrelated to such or another mission or ship but to the game data files rather. It is even unimportant whether such an alien can be really met on a mission or not. You may place such an alien in your Alien Containment by editing [[ASTORE.DAT]] (set first two bytes to 04h 01h, and the third byte to 00h to place the alien in your first base) - but none of official versions of the game (including DOS 1.0) can even see it, so you will not be able to examine it. And even if your game have seen it somehow, there is another serious problem. The structure of [[PROJECT.DAT_(TFTD)\|PROJECT.DAT]] file excludes the possibility of examining Tasoth Commander. Simply there is no place for it in the data structure of the file.		The problem is unrelated to such or another mission or ship but to the game data files rather. It is even unimportant whether such an alien can be really met on a mission or not. You may place such an alien in your Alien Containment by editing [[ASTORE.DAT]] (set first two bytes to 04h 01h, and the third byte to 00h to place the alien in your first base) - but none of official versions of the game (including DOS 1.0) can even see it, so you will not be able to examine it. And even if your game have seen it somehow, there is another serious problem. The structure of [[PROJECT.DAT_(TFTD)\|PROJECT.DAT]] file excludes the possibility of examining Tasoth Commander. Simply there is no place for it in the data structure of the file.

	In other words, in any of the official, genuine versions of the game there is no possibility to examine Tasoth Commander, and, as a consequence, you need not to patch your game to avoid possible errors (however, playing TFTD 1.0 without installing 2.0 patch may be a stupid idea for other reasons). Only a beta/pirate/unofficial version of the game, with a nonstandard structure of PROJECT.DAT file, could allow examining Tasoth Commander.		In other words, in any of the official, genuine versions of the game there is no possibility to examine Tasoth Commander, and, as a consequence, you need not patch your game to avoid possible errors (however, playing TFTD 1.0 without installing 2.0 patch may be a stupid idea for other reasons). Only a beta/pirate/unofficial version of the game, with a nonstandard structure of PROJECT.DAT file, could allow examining Tasoth Commander.

	Unfortunately, I have never seen such a beta version. It would be great if anyone could share his/her version of the game which allows examining of Tasoth Commander (read: which has a nonstandard structure of PROJECT.DAT). Until such a game issue is found, all stories on Tasoth Commander should be treated as urban legends.		Unfortunately, I have never seen such a beta version. It would be great if anyone could share his/her version of the game which allows examining of Tasoth Commander (read: which has a nonstandard structure of PROJECT.DAT). Until such a game issue is found, all stories on Tasoth Commander should be treated as urban legends.

Sherlock: /* Tasoth Commander once again */

2012-12-27T21:24:31Z

Tasoth Commander once again

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 ::I captured Tasoth Commanders in the unpatched DOS version which I played a lot in late 90s. I never saw a Tasoth Commander in the patched version I got on Steam, but that's probably because they can only be found in Dreadnoughts, which I tend to avoid at all times unless they happen to land. I saw a Gill Man Commander yesterday, but they're documented as valid aliens (the only Gill Men capable of Molecular Control attacks). I don't know about availability for research, I just killed the bastard :D.
 ::Nonetheless, I have all techs researched in my current game, save for sonic weapons, which I intentionally skipped. If I happen to encounter a landed Dreadnought with something else than Lobster Men, I'll assault it and make sure I stun the alien Commander instead of blowing his brains out. After all, I won't lose the T'Leth research item now that it's already in my UFOpaedia. [[user:mingos|mingos]]
 ==Things that are not bugs==

Sherlock: /* Graphical tech tree */

2012-12-27T16:52:19Z

Graphical tech tree

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	: That's not a bad idea. It would a good way to summarize the article. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 09:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)		: That's not a bad idea. It would a good way to summarize the article. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 09:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

			The above mentioned picture as "1" is now accessible at [http://grzegorj.orangespace.pl/xc/obrazki/tree2.png this address], see [[User:Sherlock\|my profile]] for more.

			[[User:Sherlock\|Sherlock]] 11:52, 27 December 2012 (EST)

	== Alien Origins ==		== Alien Origins ==

HerbertWest: /* v2.1 and the CE */

2012-10-19T19:20:55Z

v2.1 and the CE

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	I read that the MC reader bug can be fixed by v2.1. Is this patch compatible with the CE? And does the Extender take care of it?		I read that the MC reader bug can be fixed by v2.1. Is this patch compatible with the CE? And does the Extender take care of it?
	: Yes I believe the research tree bug where you require an MC Reader to be present in stores is fixed by the TFTD Extender. And also I think XComUtil fixes it, although more crudely. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:19, 19 October 2012 (EDT)		: Yes I believe the research tree bug where you require an MC Reader to be present in stores is fixed by the TFTD Extender. And also I think XComUtil fixes it, although more crudely. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:19, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

			Oh ok, so I don't need the 2.1 patch then. Thanks ^^

Spike: /* v2.1 and the CE */ response

2012-10-19T19:19:39Z

v2.1 and the CE: response

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	I read that the MC reader bug can be fixed by v2.1. Is this patch compatible with the CE? And does the Extender take care of it?		I read that the MC reader bug can be fixed by v2.1. Is this patch compatible with the CE? And does the Extender take care of it?
			: Yes I believe the research tree bug where you require an MC Reader to be present in stores is fixed by the TFTD Extender. And also I think XComUtil fixes it, although more crudely. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:19, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

HerbertWest: /* v2.1 and the CE */ new section

2012-10-19T18:56:46Z

v2.1 and the CE: new section

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	:::::: If I come across an easy - or at least a step-by-step - way to edit PROJECT.DAT I will post details. I may email the file to myself at work and mess about with it during lunch or something. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 07:13, 23 January 2011 (EST)		:::::: If I come across an easy - or at least a step-by-step - way to edit PROJECT.DAT I will post details. I may email the file to myself at work and mess about with it during lunch or something. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 07:13, 23 January 2011 (EST)

			== v2.1 and the CE ==

			I read that the MC reader bug can be fixed by v2.1. Is this patch compatible with the CE? And does the Extender take care of it?

4th Cuirassier: /* Fixing Project.dat */

2011-01-23T12:19:50Z

Fixing Project.dat

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	:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit		:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit

	:::::: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/~~UltraEditscreengrab~~.jpg		:::::: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/Ultraeditscreengrab.jpg

	:::::: ...neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)		:::::: ...neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)

4th Cuirassier: /* Fixing Project.dat */

2011-01-23T12:17:45Z

Fixing Project.dat

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	:::::: Well tonight I can't find MS-Edit - it appears not to be on my PC any more. Yesterday it was there, today it's not and I dunno how I ran it...anyway, here is what I get when I look at PROJECT.DAT using a downloaded version of MSEdit:		:::::: Well tonight I can't find MS-Edit - it appears not to be on my PC any more. Yesterday it was there, today it's not and I dunno how I ran it...anyway, here is what I get when I look at PROJECT.DAT using a downloaded version of MSEdit:

	http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/MSEDitscreengrab.jpg		:::::: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/MSEDitscreengrab.jpg

	:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit		:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit

	~~<a href="http~~:~~//s101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/?action=view&current=Ultraeditscreengrab.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="~~http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/~~Ultraeditscreengrab~~.jpg~~" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>~~		:::::: http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/UltraEditscreengrab.jpg

	:::::: neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)		:::::: ...neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)

	::::: Strange, is that the same editor that comes with Windows? Edit.com should be located in '''c:\windows\system32'''.		::::: Strange, is that the same editor that comes with Windows? Edit.com should be located in '''c:\windows\system32'''.

4th Cuirassier: /* Fixing Project.dat */

2011-01-23T12:15:44Z

Fixing Project.dat

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	:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit		:::::: and here is what I get when I open it using something called UltraEdit

	http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/~~MSEDitscreengrab~~.jpg		<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/?action=view&current=Ultraeditscreengrab.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m62/beaufighter/Ultraeditscreengrab.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

	:::::: neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)		:::::: neither of which gets me anywhere. Cannot find any command that allows me to make the display 282 columns wide. So I've no idea what to do. [[User:4th Cuirassier\|4th Cuirassier]] 19:42, 22 January 2011 (EST)