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Hobbes: /* Terror mission preparation */

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Terror mission preparation

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	::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)		::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)
	::: Ah, o.k. You're right; this should be mentioned here. I'll reference this to the UFO interception part. [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:26, 12 December 2011 (EST)		::: Ah, o.k. You're right; this should be mentioned here. I'll reference this to the UFO interception part. [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:26, 12 December 2011 (EST)
			:::: I hasn't even aware that it is a bug until I read your reference :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 09:27, 12 December 2011 (EST)

Markho at 11:26, 12 December 2011

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	:: The weapon range of the Avalanche is 60km while the Terror Ship's beam is 42km. The problem is that the relative distance between both craft needs to stay at 60 or below during the flight of the missiles, otherwise the Avalanches will lose the lock and automatically miss. If you use Cautious/Standard attack then the Interceptor will place itself at the maximum distance for the Avalanches but after you launch the missiles the Terror Ship can simply speed up and easily break the missiles lock by increasing the distance between itself and the Interceptor. So, you need to use Aggressive Attack to prevent the UFO from dodging your missiles by closing in the distance so that the missiles remain locked even if the UFO tries to escape. And you'll have to stay in range until the missiles hit... so you have a window of a few seconds where your Interceptor can be in range of the Terror Ship's own weapon... which can destroy the interceptor with 1 single hit.		:: The weapon range of the Avalanche is 60km while the Terror Ship's beam is 42km. The problem is that the relative distance between both craft needs to stay at 60 or below during the flight of the missiles, otherwise the Avalanches will lose the lock and automatically miss. If you use Cautious/Standard attack then the Interceptor will place itself at the maximum distance for the Avalanches but after you launch the missiles the Terror Ship can simply speed up and easily break the missiles lock by increasing the distance between itself and the Interceptor. So, you need to use Aggressive Attack to prevent the UFO from dodging your missiles by closing in the distance so that the missiles remain locked even if the UFO tries to escape. And you'll have to stay in range until the missiles hit... so you have a window of a few seconds where your Interceptor can be in range of the Terror Ship's own weapon... which can destroy the interceptor with 1 single hit.
	::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)		::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)
			::: Ah, o.k. You're right; this should be mentioned here. I'll reference this to the UFO interception part. [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:26, 12 December 2011 (EST)

Hobbes: /* Terror mission preparation */

2011-12-09T15:33:14Z

Terror mission preparation

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	: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches... [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 08:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)		: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches... [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 08:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)
	:: The weapon range of the Avalanche is 60km while the Terror Ship's beam is 42km. The problem is that the relative distance between both craft needs to stay at 60 or below during the flight of the missiles, otherwise the Avalanches will lose the lock and automatically miss. If you use Cautious/Standard attack then the Interceptor will place itself at the maximum distance for the Avalanches but after you launch the missiles the Terror Ship can simply speed up and easily break the missiles lock by increasing the distance between itself and the Interceptor. So, you need to use Aggressive Attack to prevent the UFO from dodging your missiles by closing in the distance so that the missiles remain locked even if the UFO tries to escape. And you'll have to stay in range until the missiles hit... so you have a window of a few seconds where your Interceptor can be in range of the Terror Ship's own weapon... which can destroy the interceptor with 1 single hit.		:: The weapon range of the Avalanche is 60km while the Terror Ship's beam is 42km. The problem is that the relative distance between both craft needs to stay at 60 or below during the flight of the missiles, otherwise the Avalanches will lose the lock and automatically miss. If you use Cautious/Standard attack then the Interceptor will place itself at the maximum distance for the Avalanches but after you launch the missiles the Terror Ship can simply speed up and easily break the missiles lock by increasing the distance between itself and the Interceptor. So, you need to use Aggressive Attack to prevent the UFO from dodging your missiles by closing in the distance so that the missiles remain locked even if the UFO tries to escape. And you'll have to stay in range until the missiles hit... so you have a window of a few seconds where your Interceptor can be in range of the Terror Ship's own weapon... which can destroy the interceptor with 1 single hit.
	I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)		::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)

Hobbes: /* Terror mission preparation */

2011-12-09T15:32:59Z

Terror mission preparation

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	For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)		For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)
	: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches... [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 08:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)		: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches... [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 08:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)
			:: The weapon range of the Avalanche is 60km while the Terror Ship's beam is 42km. The problem is that the relative distance between both craft needs to stay at 60 or below during the flight of the missiles, otherwise the Avalanches will lose the lock and automatically miss. If you use Cautious/Standard attack then the Interceptor will place itself at the maximum distance for the Avalanches but after you launch the missiles the Terror Ship can simply speed up and easily break the missiles lock by increasing the distance between itself and the Interceptor. So, you need to use Aggressive Attack to prevent the UFO from dodging your missiles by closing in the distance so that the missiles remain locked even if the UFO tries to escape. And you'll have to stay in range until the missiles hit... so you have a window of a few seconds where your Interceptor can be in range of the Terror Ship's own weapon... which can destroy the interceptor with 1 single hit.
			I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)

Markho at 13:14, 9 December 2011

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	For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)		For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)
	: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches...		: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches... [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 08:14, 9 December 2011 (EST)

Markho: Question to Hobbes - terror ship - avalanches

2011-12-09T13:13:40Z

Question to Hobbes - terror ship - avalanches

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	For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)		For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)
			: Hobbes, I never had a terror ship shoot down the interceptor if at avalanche range. You have experienced this (maybe at higher difficulty level)? I assumed until now that you'd be safe with avalanches...

Markho: /* Terror mission preparation */

2011-11-16T11:15:05Z

Terror mission preparation

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	== Terror mission preparation ==		== Terror mission preparation ==

	For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed).		For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed). [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:15, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Markho: /* Terror mission preparation */ new section

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	: Hey Aegus,		: Hey Aegus,
	: I started this article a couple years ago. A total party kill is worth mentioning for a new player-- I've had it happen myself. This isn't my article any more, of course, but I would say that the article should try to stay on general terms. The rest of the site has most subjects laid out in exhaustive detail, so this page should be something of an overview, with a couple of fine details that are the most common stumbling blocks for new players. You want to help him along but stay shy of giving him a walk-through. I'd say that TPK should be mentioned here, but only in general terms. It's a serious enough event, though, that it probably merits its own page if it doesn't have one already. [[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 17:57, 20 July 2009 (EDT)		: I started this article a couple years ago. A total party kill is worth mentioning for a new player-- I've had it happen myself. This isn't my article any more, of course, but I would say that the article should try to stay on general terms. The rest of the site has most subjects laid out in exhaustive detail, so this page should be something of an overview, with a couple of fine details that are the most common stumbling blocks for new players. You want to help him along but stay shy of giving him a walk-through. I'd say that TPK should be mentioned here, but only in general terms. It's a serious enough event, though, that it probably merits its own page if it doesn't have one already. [[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 17:57, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

			== Terror mission preparation ==

			For beginners, the first terror mission is the hardest, since you meet cyberdiscs which are hard to kill, and a sectoid leader with PSI abilities. If the terror ufo can be shot down, the recovery mission is much easier. Therefore, I would advise to equip the interceptors both with Avalanche missiles. If the terror ufo is intercepted with both of them, it usually crashes after 5 shots (that's why both interceptors are needed).

Papa Legba: /* Total Party Kill */

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Total Party Kill

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	: For future missions, keep a [[Rear Commander]] in the Skyranger in the event the squad gets wiped out. You'll at least be able to recover the Skyranger and whatever was in it. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:55, 7 December 2008 (CST)		: For future missions, keep a [[Rear Commander]] in the Skyranger in the event the squad gets wiped out. You'll at least be able to recover the Skyranger and whatever was in it. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:55, 7 December 2008 (CST)

			: Hey Aegus,
			: I started this article a couple years ago. A total party kill is worth mentioning for a new player-- I've had it happen myself. This isn't my article any more, of course, but I would say that the article should try to stay on general terms. The rest of the site has most subjects laid out in exhaustive detail, so this page should be something of an overview, with a couple of fine details that are the most common stumbling blocks for new players. You want to help him along but stay shy of giving him a walk-through. I'd say that TPK should be mentioned here, but only in general terms. It's a serious enough event, though, that it probably merits its own page if it doesn't have one already. [[User:Papa Legba\|Papa Legba]] 17:57, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

NKF at 06:55, 7 December 2008

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	Regarding base placement, one other good point of consideration (apart from money) is to place it in land mass that contains a generous amount of terrain that you're comfortable fighting in. Some players love to fight in desert or arctic terrain on account of it mostly being barren wastelands. Some may find it more tactically sound to fight in farmland, well, you're not going to get any short supply of these. If you want a base that gets a wide variety of terrrain types, the US has quite a lot of terrain types, and you only need to go south a bit to get jungle terrain. Europe unfortunately has lots of farmland. Africa has lots of desert. The far eastern end of Russia, or the coast of Japan is mostly forest. The polar caps are all polar terrain. Great for those that like to use flying suits and weapons that make really big bangs - preferably a long way away.		Regarding base placement, one other good point of consideration (apart from money) is to place it in land mass that contains a generous amount of terrain that you're comfortable fighting in. Some players love to fight in desert or arctic terrain on account of it mostly being barren wastelands. Some may find it more tactically sound to fight in farmland, well, you're not going to get any short supply of these. If you want a base that gets a wide variety of terrrain types, the US has quite a lot of terrain types, and you only need to go south a bit to get jungle terrain. Europe unfortunately has lots of farmland. Africa has lots of desert. The far eastern end of Russia, or the coast of Japan is mostly forest. The polar caps are all polar terrain. Great for those that like to use flying suits and weapons that make really big bangs - preferably a long way away.

	As for experimenting with the weapons, one point I'd like to add is to get to know the ~~tactial~~ strengths and weaknesses of the starting weapons, and to not be afraid of hanging on to some of them even after you've come up with a general weapon set. It's always good to have options available to you. You may not use autocannons much after getting the heavy plasma, but a single autocannon on standby can come in handy simply for its HE and incendiary shells.		As for experimenting with the weapons, one point I'd like to add is to get to know the tactical strengths and weaknesses of the starting weapons, and to not be afraid of hanging on to some of them even after you've come up with a general weapon set. It's always good to have options available to you. You may not use autocannons much after getting the heavy plasma, but a single autocannon on standby can come in handy simply for its HE and incendiary shells.

	Ah, but don't mind me. I've got this "must cover all play styles" approach to whenever I make any attempt at writing starters guide... which really does hold me back at times.		Ah, but don't mind me. I've got this "must cover all play styles" approach to whenever I make any attempt at writing starters guide... which really does hold me back at times.
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	Anyway, welcome, and enjoy! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 17:28, 6 December 2008 (CST)		Anyway, welcome, and enjoy! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 17:28, 6 December 2008 (CST)

			: My thoughts on the [[Pistol]]... it's not the best, but it's jolly good all the same. Excels mainly at snapshots and reaction fire and good in cases of your troops falling to mind control.

			: This game lets you recover from some bad losses. You can keep playing as long as you've got the money, haven't lost your last base on the map (build another - quick!) and you haven't done several consecutive bad months in a row. So it's mainly up to how much money you've got left. If you don't have much, reload and try again.

			: If you do choose to rebuild, buy a Skyranger and some troops. There are many ways you can arm your new squad - it's all up to how you want to play. A good rule to stick by is to bring something along that will defeat the strongest enemy you're going to go up against (Cyberdiscs and Chryssalids in the early game, Sectopod in the late game). A Rocket Launcher or some High Explosive packs tend to fill these roles quite well. If you're on a tight budget, a rather boring but fairly cost effective setup is to just build some laser rifles (or laser pistols) while you're waiting for your new ship and crew to arrive. They are effective against pretty much anything you'll be facing except the Sectopods. Go on a few easy missions with them, and start making your dream team with the money recovered from sold loot.

			: For future missions, keep a [[Rear Commander]] in the Skyranger in the event the squad gets wiped out. You'll at least be able to recover the Skyranger and whatever was in it. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:55, 7 December 2008 (CST)

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	::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)		::I only play on the hardest setting and from time to time I go after a Terror Ship but it usually requires a lot of coordination not to get 1 interceptor shot down. You need to know when to switch from Aggressive to Stand Off mode at the last second before the Avalanche hits the UFO to prevent any damage/losses. It's fun but it's also risky - but at least it isn't like on TFTD where the weapon range of the DUP torpedos is the same as the weapon range of the Terror Ship equivalent (Battleship). :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:32, 9 December 2011 (EST)
	::: Ah, o.k. You're right; this should be mentioned here. I'll reference this to the UFO interception part. [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:26, 12 December 2011 (EST)		::: Ah, o.k. You're right; this should be mentioned here. I'll reference this to the UFO interception part. [[User:Markho\|Markho]] 06:26, 12 December 2011 (EST)
			:::: I hasn't even aware that it is a bug until I read your reference :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 09:27, 12 December 2011 (EST)