Talk:Smoke Grenade - Revision history

Bard: /* Question */

2020-05-28T15:17:56Z

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	==Question==		==Question==
	Does smoke actually reduce the enemy's accuracy or provide a defense boost, or is its effect limited only to reducing the sight range and reaction shot chance of enemies? I looked at the SMOKEREF.DAT page but I'm not sure if I'm understanding it right. [[User:Anothrgamer1234\|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234\|talk]]) 15:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)		Does smoke actually reduce the enemy's accuracy or provide a defense boost, or is its effect limited only to reducing the sight range and reaction shot chance of enemies? I looked at the SMOKEREF.DAT page but I'm not sure if I'm understanding it right. [[User:Anothrgamer1234\|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234\|talk]]) 15:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
			: It doesn't affect any stats / percentages in the game. All smoke does is obscure the view. If you can't see the enemy or they can't see you, there'll be no reaction fire or shots during the enemy turn. Defense boost doesn't exist period other than equipping better armour, unless you count the environment/obstacles as "defense boost", which is really stretching that term. Accuracy depends on the accuracy stat & weapon modifier as well as your remaining health points (if lower than max) and what body part has fatal wounds. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 15:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Anothrgamer1234 at 15:03, 28 May 2020

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	::: Here's a link. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 19:37, 18 March 2009 (EDT)		::: Here's a link. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 19:37, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

			==Question==
			Does smoke actually reduce the enemy's accuracy or provide a defense boost, or is its effect limited only to reducing the sight range and reaction shot chance of enemies? I looked at the SMOKEREF.DAT page but I'm not sure if I'm understanding it right. [[User:Anothrgamer1234\|Anothrgamer1234]] ([[User talk:Anothrgamer1234\|talk]]) 15:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Schwern: /* No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed. */

2010-05-31T23:30:55Z

No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed.

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	::Rewrite done, thanks Zombie. I also updated Known Bugs. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:56, 14 December 2008 (CST)		::Rewrite done, thanks Zombie. I also updated Known Bugs. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:56, 14 December 2008 (CST)

			:Are you sure? I could have sworn I've used smoke grenades as a poor man's stun bomb in the past by filling medium scouts with smoke and waiting them out. --[[User:Schwern\|Schwern]] 19:30, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

	== So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? ==		== So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? ==

Bomb Bloke: /* So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? */

2009-03-18T23:37:26Z

So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight?

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	:: Linky please... hahaha... yes, I know I'm being asked to be spoonfed, but I don't have any game editor at all at the moment... they were turning my "normal" X-com games into strange and unfamiliar creatures. Generally, I find that editors and itchy fingers and a curious mind make a very very disturbing mix, at times...		:: Linky please... hahaha... yes, I know I'm being asked to be spoonfed, but I don't have any game editor at all at the moment... they were turning my "normal" X-com games into strange and unfamiliar creatures. Generally, I find that editors and itchy fingers and a curious mind make a very very disturbing mix, at times... - [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]]

			::: Here's a link. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 19:37, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Jasonred: /* So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? */

2009-03-18T14:56:47Z

So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight?

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	:Use my battlescape editor to work out how a given cloud of smoke effects vision. See [[SMOKREF.DAT]] for the formulas behind it. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 09:39, 18 March 2009 (EDT)		:Use my battlescape editor to work out how a given cloud of smoke effects vision. See [[SMOKREF.DAT]] for the formulas behind it. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 09:39, 18 March 2009 (EDT)


			:: Linky please... hahaha... yes, I know I'm being asked to be spoonfed, but I don't have any game editor at all at the moment... they were turning my "normal" X-com games into strange and unfamiliar creatures. Generally, I find that editors and itchy fingers and a curious mind make a very very disturbing mix, at times...

Bomb Bloke: /* So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? */

2009-03-18T13:41:09Z

So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight?

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	On a similiar note, I wonder how much Smoke obscures X-com vision at night? Is it possible to regain mutual surprise by surrounding an X-com agent in a pile of smoke? Or would really dense smoke reduce alien sight to 4-6 squares at night, but reduce vision for agents to 2-3 squares??? That would be bad! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 09:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)		On a similiar note, I wonder how much Smoke obscures X-com vision at night? Is it possible to regain mutual surprise by surrounding an X-com agent in a pile of smoke? Or would really dense smoke reduce alien sight to 4-6 squares at night, but reduce vision for agents to 2-3 squares??? That would be bad! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 09:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

	:[[SMOKREF.DAT]] - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 09:39, 18 March 2009 (EDT)		:Use my battlescape editor to work out how a given cloud of smoke effects vision. See [[SMOKREF.DAT]] for the formulas behind it. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 09:39, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Bomb Bloke: /* So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? */

2009-03-18T13:39:04Z

So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight?

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	Need to run some tests on this... which will be confused by this whole thick smoke and thin smoke thing... but... I want to find out exactly HOW MUCH each tile of smoke obscures vision range...		Need to run some tests on this... which will be confused by this whole thick smoke and thin smoke thing... but... I want to find out exactly HOW MUCH each tile of smoke obscures vision range...
	On a similiar note, I wonder how much Smoke obscures X-com vision at night? Is it possible to regain mutual surprise by surrounding an X-com agent in a pile of smoke? Or would really dense smoke reduce alien sight to 4-6 squares at night, but reduce vision for agents to 2-3 squares??? That would be bad! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 09:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)		On a similiar note, I wonder how much Smoke obscures X-com vision at night? Is it possible to regain mutual surprise by surrounding an X-com agent in a pile of smoke? Or would really dense smoke reduce alien sight to 4-6 squares at night, but reduce vision for agents to 2-3 squares??? That would be bad! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 09:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

			:[[SMOKREF.DAT]] - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 09:39, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Jasonred: Smoke vs vision.

2009-03-18T13:25:26Z

Smoke vs vision.

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	::Rewrite done, thanks Zombie. I also updated Known Bugs. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:56, 14 December 2008 (CST)		::Rewrite done, thanks Zombie. I also updated Known Bugs. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:56, 14 December 2008 (CST)

			== So... how much does 1 square of smoke obscure sight? ==

			Need to run some tests on this... which will be confused by this whole thick smoke and thin smoke thing... but... I want to find out exactly HOW MUCH each tile of smoke obscures vision range...
			On a similiar note, I wonder how much Smoke obscures X-com vision at night? Is it possible to regain mutual surprise by surrounding an X-com agent in a pile of smoke? Or would really dense smoke reduce alien sight to 4-6 squares at night, but reduce vision for agents to 2-3 squares??? That would be bad! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 09:25, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Spike: /* No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed. */ Rewrite done.

2008-12-14T21:56:10Z

No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed.: Rewrite done.

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	:Totally agree. I did numerous tests on this as well over at the StrategyCore forums and my results matched yours. The only time aliens can take stun damage from smoke is when they are under X-COM Mind Control. The incendiary trick doesn't work either for enemy units. Only friendlies (sans tanks of course) suffer. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 13:15, 14 December 2008 (CST)		:Totally agree. I did numerous tests on this as well over at the StrategyCore forums and my results matched yours. The only time aliens can take stun damage from smoke is when they are under X-COM Mind Control. The incendiary trick doesn't work either for enemy units. Only friendlies (sans tanks of course) suffer. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 13:15, 14 December 2008 (CST)

			::Rewrite done, thanks Zombie. I also updated Known Bugs. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:56, 14 December 2008 (CST)

Zombie: /* No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed. */ Agreed.

2008-12-14T19:15:07Z

No offensive stun capability exists - rewrite needed.: Agreed.

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	I would suggest the section on stunning is rewritten to reflect that this is just a "friendly fire" hazard of using smoke, and aliens (perhaps unless mind controlled) are immune to stunning effects of smoke. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 09:49, 14 December 2008 (CST)		I would suggest the section on stunning is rewritten to reflect that this is just a "friendly fire" hazard of using smoke, and aliens (perhaps unless mind controlled) are immune to stunning effects of smoke. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 09:49, 14 December 2008 (CST)

			:Totally agree. I did numerous tests on this as well over at the StrategyCore forums and my results matched yours. The only time aliens can take stun damage from smoke is when they are under X-COM Mind Control. The incendiary trick doesn't work either for enemy units. Only friendlies (sans tanks of course) suffer. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 13:15, 14 December 2008 (CST)