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Radar ranges -- highly anamalous

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	== ~~Radar~~ ranges ~~-- highly anamalous~~ ==		== Investigation of radar ranges ==

	Well, I started doing some testing of what the actual range of each radar system is, and it's extremely strange. A Small Radar system (the initial base's default) detected UFOs as far as 1300 nautical miles away. (I measured on a globe, using points corresponding to what was displayed on the Geoscape.)		Well, I started doing some testing of what the actual range of each radar system is, and it's extremely strange. A Small Radar system (the initial base's default) detected UFOs as far as 1300 nautical miles away. (I measured on a globe, using points corresponding to what was displayed on the Geoscape.)
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	:And finally-finally, I had a skyranger patrol in a region where I knew a UFO was based on prior savegames (it was not yet detected by any means). The skyranger first picked it up in the mid-to-high 300nm range in repeated trials. So it looks like craft UFO detection and tracking ranges are both 400nm, and base detection is 900nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:41, 28 February 2007 (PST)		:And finally-finally, I had a skyranger patrol in a region where I knew a UFO was based on prior savegames (it was not yet detected by any means). The skyranger first picked it up in the mid-to-high 300nm range in repeated trials. So it looks like craft UFO detection and tracking ranges are both 400nm, and base detection is 900nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:41, 28 February 2007 (PST)

			::I have to recalibrate my figures. I still got the same # of pixels distance, but my nm-conversion factor was wrong. Base detection range is about 1600 nm, and UFO detection/tracking range about 700. I wish I could fudge the numbers to say 1500 and 750, but if anything, they were slightly above 1600 and slightly below 700.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 17:54, 1 March 2007 (PST)

	I did a brief test that fell into my lap yesterday - I was watching ALIEN.DAT regularly and saw a craft on a direct line to Europe (SAm, Brazil, NAtl, Europe) and it was repeating this every time so it was on some well targetted mission. I went back to the start and sent out my interceptor to try and catch it while outside base radar range while it was still undetected. Once I got the angle to send the interceptor out right, I could repeatedly (12-15 times in a row before I got bored) catch the UFO every time with the Interceptors radar as he passed a point in the mid atlantic way out of my bases range, so it would seem that craft have a 100% or near perfect detection rate even for undetected UFOs (in the air at least), might need to patrol to see grounded ones, like with bases?).		I did a brief test that fell into my lap yesterday - I was watching ALIEN.DAT regularly and saw a craft on a direct line to Europe (SAm, Brazil, NAtl, Europe) and it was repeating this every time so it was on some well targetted mission. I went back to the start and sent out my interceptor to try and catch it while outside base radar range while it was still undetected. Once I got the angle to send the interceptor out right, I could repeatedly (12-15 times in a row before I got bored) catch the UFO every time with the Interceptors radar as he passed a point in the mid atlantic way out of my bases range, so it would seem that craft have a 100% or near perfect detection rate even for undetected UFOs (in the air at least), might need to patrol to see grounded ones, like with bases?).
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	--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 09:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 09:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)

			:I found Interceptor and Skyranger UFO detection ranges to be the same. It may be that since Interceptors move faster, they'll usually be closer to a UFO when the 30-minute mark hits and the detection is "performed".--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 17:54, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Zaimoni at 15:34, 1 March 2007

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	--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 00:04, 1 March 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 00:04, 1 March 2007 (PST)

			That's what I like about Base Nigeria. Use the graphs to figure out where the UFO is, then send Interceptor to find it with Skyranger immediately behind. [Skyranger finds UFOs beyond Interceptor range...Australia and Siberia are noxious, Arctic and Antarctica are iffy with Interceptor from Base Nigeria.]

			--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 09:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Sfnhltb: /* Radar ranges -- highly anamalous */

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Radar ranges -- highly anamalous

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	:And finally-finally, I had a skyranger patrol in a region where I knew a UFO was based on prior savegames (it was not yet detected by any means). The skyranger first picked it up in the mid-to-high 300nm range in repeated trials. So it looks like craft UFO detection and tracking ranges are both 400nm, and base detection is 900nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:41, 28 February 2007 (PST)		:And finally-finally, I had a skyranger patrol in a region where I knew a UFO was based on prior savegames (it was not yet detected by any means). The skyranger first picked it up in the mid-to-high 300nm range in repeated trials. So it looks like craft UFO detection and tracking ranges are both 400nm, and base detection is 900nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:41, 28 February 2007 (PST)

			I did a brief test that fell into my lap yesterday - I was watching ALIEN.DAT regularly and saw a craft on a direct line to Europe (SAm, Brazil, NAtl, Europe) and it was repeating this every time so it was on some well targetted mission. I went back to the start and sent out my interceptor to try and catch it while outside base radar range while it was still undetected. Once I got the angle to send the interceptor out right, I could repeatedly (12-15 times in a row before I got bored) catch the UFO every time with the Interceptors radar as he passed a point in the mid atlantic way out of my bases range, so it would seem that craft have a 100% or near perfect detection rate even for undetected UFOs (in the air at least), might need to patrol to see grounded ones, like with bases?).

			--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 00:04, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Ethereal Cereal at 07:41, 1 March 2007

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	:And finally, I had an Interceptor chase a small scout (2100 vs. 2200). The final radar blip before tracking was lost was never more than 400nm. Provided craft have separate trackng and detection radii, I'd be inclined to believe craft detection range is 250nm and tracking range is 375nm. If it uses the same figure for both detection and tracking, range is probably 400nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:13, 28 February 2007 (PST)		:And finally, I had an Interceptor chase a small scout (2100 vs. 2200). The final radar blip before tracking was lost was never more than 400nm. Provided craft have separate trackng and detection radii, I'd be inclined to believe craft detection range is 250nm and tracking range is 375nm. If it uses the same figure for both detection and tracking, range is probably 400nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:13, 28 February 2007 (PST)

			:And finally-finally, I had a skyranger patrol in a region where I knew a UFO was based on prior savegames (it was not yet detected by any means). The skyranger first picked it up in the mid-to-high 300nm range in repeated trials. So it looks like craft UFO detection and tracking ranges are both 400nm, and base detection is 900nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:41, 28 February 2007 (PST)

Ethereal Cereal at 07:13, 1 March 2007

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	:I just tried a more controlled set of tests: craft range to detect an alien base. Inching a patrolling craft towards the site, I determined that the maximum detection range was 900nm. The range was the same for Interceptors or Skyrangers (I didn't try Avengers, etc.). The detections did not always occur on the half hour, and were at least partly dependent on distance: patrolling right over the base, detection was almost immediate, never taking more than an hour; detection at the outer edge was almost immediate once or twice, but usually took a few hours of patrolling. Moving craft couldn't detect a base at all, even while flying back and forth directly above it.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 22:26, 28 February 2007 (PST)		:I just tried a more controlled set of tests: craft range to detect an alien base. Inching a patrolling craft towards the site, I determined that the maximum detection range was 900nm. The range was the same for Interceptors or Skyrangers (I didn't try Avengers, etc.). The detections did not always occur on the half hour, and were at least partly dependent on distance: patrolling right over the base, detection was almost immediate, never taking more than an hour; detection at the outer edge was almost immediate once or twice, but usually took a few hours of patrolling. Moving craft couldn't detect a base at all, even while flying back and forth directly above it.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 22:26, 28 February 2007 (PST)

			:And finally, I had an Interceptor chase a small scout (2100 vs. 2200). The final radar blip before tracking was lost was never more than 400nm. Provided craft have separate trackng and detection radii, I'd be inclined to believe craft detection range is 250nm and tracking range is 375nm. If it uses the same figure for both detection and tracking, range is probably 400nm.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:13, 28 February 2007 (PST)

Ethereal Cereal at 06:26, 1 March 2007

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	:I got the sense that "redetection" range (lost on one radar, picked up later on another) uses detection range, not tracking range. (This of course requries more observation.) That would mean that craft (re)detection range is 500. As for testing if craft-based tracking range is 750, that should be measurable in cases where the UFO is travelling only slightly faster than the craft, and not within range of a base radar. I tried testing this a bit but haven't gotten conclusive results yet.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 17:00, 27 February 2007 (PST)		:I got the sense that "redetection" range (lost on one radar, picked up later on another) uses detection range, not tracking range. (This of course requries more observation.) That would mean that craft (re)detection range is 500. As for testing if craft-based tracking range is 750, that should be measurable in cases where the UFO is travelling only slightly faster than the craft, and not within range of a base radar. I tried testing this a bit but haven't gotten conclusive results yet.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 17:00, 27 February 2007 (PST)

			:I just tried a more controlled set of tests: craft range to detect an alien base. Inching a patrolling craft towards the site, I determined that the maximum detection range was 900nm. The range was the same for Interceptors or Skyrangers (I didn't try Avengers, etc.). The detections did not always occur on the half hour, and were at least partly dependent on distance: patrolling right over the base, detection was almost immediate, never taking more than an hour; detection at the outer edge was almost immediate once or twice, but usually took a few hours of patrolling. Moving craft couldn't detect a base at all, even while flying back and forth directly above it.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 22:26, 28 February 2007 (PST)

Ethereal Cereal at 01:00, 28 February 2007

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	--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 02:38, 27 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 02:38, 27 February 2007 (PST)

			:Did some more testing. I see what you mean with the 30-minute check, some UFOs got very far away from a craft (and nowhere near a base radar) before disappearing on the half hour. I also saw craft that disappeared well within radar range before the half hour, presumably who left the atmosphere spontaneously. I also saw fast UFOs well within base-radar detection range being redetected on the half hour.

			:I got the sense that "redetection" range (lost on one radar, picked up later on another) uses detection range, not tracking range. (This of course requries more observation.) That would mean that craft (re)detection range is 500. As for testing if craft-based tracking range is 750, that should be measurable in cases where the UFO is travelling only slightly faster than the craft, and not within range of a base radar. I tried testing this a bit but haven't gotten conclusive results yet.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 17:00, 27 February 2007 (PST)

Sfnhltb at 10:38, 27 February 2007

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	--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 01:24, 27 February 2007 (PST)		--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 01:24, 27 February 2007 (PST)

			Well I'm not sure its easy to test, remember with the 30 min check interval its quite feasible for a craft you have turned back or was low fuel to manage to be 5000 miles from a fast UFO when the radar blip actually goes, if you turn back at the right time.

			--[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 02:38, 27 February 2007 (PST)

Ethereal Cereal at 09:24, 27 February 2007

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	Detect. Track		Detect. Track
	Sm. Radar 1500 2000-2500 (150% = 2250)		Sm. Radar 1500 2000-2500 (150% = 2250)
	Lg. Radar 2250 3000-3500 (150% = 3375)		Lg. Radar 2250 3000-3500 (150% = 3375)

	:Also of interest is [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t713.html this old Strategycore thread] I came across yesterday. Separately, there's the question of craft radar range. If, like you theorize, re-detection is 100% and occurs at tracking range, then craft radar is probably about 300nm (and tracking 450nm). If their initial detection rate is 100%, then their detection range should be 500nm (and tracking 750nm).		:Also of interest is [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t713.html this old Strategycore thread] I came across yesterday. Separately, there's the question of craft radar range. If, like you theorize, re-detection is 100% and occurs at tracking range, then craft radar is probably about 300nm (and tracking 450nm). If their initial detection rate is 100%, then their detection range should be 500nm (and tracking 750nm).