Talk:Relations (Apocalypse) - Revision history

Jasonred79: /* Treaty Signed: X, Y */

2022-03-04T19:19:39Z

Treaty Signed: X, Y

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	== Treaty Signed: X, Y ==		== Treaty Signed: X, Y ==

	Does anyone know what this does exactly? Does it reset the relationship to 0? ... Also, I've noticed that sometimes X will raid Y immediately after signing a treaty. ~~... Either that or Y raids X. ... I forgot which. Anyhow, apparently~~ these are one sided treaties, where X is now neutral with Y, but Y still hates X. ... I would probably understand better if I downloaded the editor and could view relationship ratings directly, I guess?		Does anyone know what this does exactly? Does it reset the relationship to 0? ... Also, I've noticed that sometimes X will raid Y immediately after signing a treaty. Apparently these are one sided treaties, where Y is now neutral with X, but X still hates Y. ... I would probably understand better if I downloaded the editor and could view relationship ratings directly, I guess?

Jasonred79 at 18:33, 4 March 2022

2022-03-04T18:33:38Z

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	::My bad, I missed it. Though it might be worth noting that they will say "we will remain hostile" even if they actually aren't. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:07, 27 July 2020 (UTC)		::My bad, I missed it. Though it might be worth noting that they will say "we will remain hostile" even if they actually aren't. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:07, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

			== Treaty Signed: X, Y ==

			Does anyone know what this does exactly? Does it reset the relationship to 0? ... Also, I've noticed that sometimes X will raid Y immediately after signing a treaty. ... Either that or Y raids X. ... I forgot which. Anyhow, apparently these are one sided treaties, where X is now neutral with Y, but Y still hates X. ... I would probably understand better if I downloaded the editor and could view relationship ratings directly, I guess?

Darkpast: /* Refusing settlements */

2020-07-27T17:07:56Z

Refusing settlements

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	:Yes? I thought I said that. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)		:Yes? I thought I said that. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

			::My bad, I missed it. Though it might be worth noting that they will say "we will remain hostile" even if they actually aren't. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 17:07, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Refusing settlements */

2020-07-27T16:54:21Z

Refusing settlements

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	Testing seems to show that organizations will refuse to accept settlements once their relation with the Aliens reaches 75. This is true even if the organization isn't hostile to X-COM. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)		Testing seems to show that organizations will refuse to accept settlements once their relation with the Aliens reaches 75. This is true even if the organization isn't hostile to X-COM. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

			:Yes? I thought I said that. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Refusing settlements */ new section

2020-07-27T16:31:07Z

Refusing settlements: new section

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	https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/File:Xcom3-diplomacy-early-interface-standings.png		https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/File:Xcom3-diplomacy-early-interface-standings.png

			== Refusing settlements ==

			Testing seems to show that organizations will refuse to accept settlements once their relation with the Aliens reaches 75. This is true even if the organization isn't hostile to X-COM. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 16:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations? */

2020-07-27T13:01:41Z

Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations?

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	\|Novice\|\|+10\|\|-10		\|Novice\|\|+10\|\|-10
	\|-		\|-
	\|Easy\|\|+15\|\|-15		\|Easy\|\|+13\|\|-15
	\|-		\|-
	\|Medium\|\|+15\|\|-20		\|Medium\|\|+15\|\|-20
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	::I stress that this is just the biggest adjustments ''I've seen''; it doesn't look like a linear spread on the higher difficulties, so the tails are going to be rare and I might have therefore missed a point or two. I'm going to ask for code digs. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 11:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)		::I stress that this is just the biggest adjustments ''I've seen''; it doesn't look like a linear spread on the higher difficulties, so the tails are going to be rare and I might have therefore missed a point or two. I'm going to ask for code digs. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 11:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

			::Okay, I've got the full thing now, and it's not linear. Will be putting it up momentarily. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 13:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

	== Addition to Relationships At Game Start table ==		== Addition to Relationships At Game Start table ==

Magic9mushroom: /* Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations? */

2020-07-25T11:19:25Z

Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations?

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	:I'd say it would be worthwhile. If you're worried about it taking up too much space, you could put it on a separate page, under "Data tables". Or use a collapsible table. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)		:I'd say it would be worthwhile. If you're worried about it taking up too much space, you could put it on a separate page, under "Data tables". Or use a collapsible table. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

			::Apparently I was a bit overconfident. Upon looking at the org->org (i.e. NOT involving X-COM or Alien) relations values from a few savegames, this appears to be the spread of adjustments:

			{\| class="wikitable"
			!Difficulty!!Maximum!!Minimum
			\|-
			\|Novice\|\|+10\|\|-10
			\|-
			\|Easy\|\|+15\|\|-15
			\|-
			\|Medium\|\|+15\|\|-20
			\|-
			\|Hard\|\|+19\|\|-25
			\|-
			\|Superhuman\|\|+21\|\|-29
			\|}

			::I stress that this is just the biggest adjustments ''I've seen''; it doesn't look like a linear spread on the higher difficulties, so the tails are going to be rare and I might have therefore missed a point or two. I'm going to ask for code digs. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 11:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

	== Addition to Relationships At Game Start table ==		== Addition to Relationships At Game Start table ==

Makus: /* Addition to Relationships At Game Start table */ new section

2020-07-20T16:29:20Z

Addition to Relationships At Game Start table: new section

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	:I'd say it would be worthwhile. If you're worried about it taking up too much space, you could put it on a separate page, under "Data tables". Or use a collapsible table. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)		:I'd say it would be worthwhile. If you're worried about it taking up too much space, you could put it on a separate page, under "Data tables". Or use a collapsible table. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

			== Addition to Relationships At Game Start table ==

			This image is script that was executed and view Relationships in the game
			https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/File:Xcom3-diplomacy-early-interface-standings.png

Darkpast: /* Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations? */

2020-07-19T13:30:30Z

Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations?

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	I mean, it's easy enough to get it from Apoc'd, and we know how it's modified (+-10 randomly except for +100 (i.e. organisations' attitudes to themselves, and the Cult of Sirius toward Aliens), and a difficulty modifier for attitudes to X-COM). It is a pretty big table, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)		I mean, it's easy enough to get it from Apoc'd, and we know how it's modified (+-10 randomly except for +100 (i.e. organisations' attitudes to themselves, and the Cult of Sirius toward Aliens), and a difficulty modifier for attitudes to X-COM). It is a pretty big table, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

			:I'd say it would be worthwhile. If you're worried about it taking up too much space, you could put it on a separate page, under "Data tables". Or use a collapsible table. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 13:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations? */ new section

2020-07-19T10:10:47Z

Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations?: new section

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	: Difficulty levels definitely have a role. (I'm trying out a Superhuman game just now; it seems that all of the ratings are more extreme, although I haven't studied carefully what is going on.) - [[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 1:19, 25 Feb 2010 (CST)		: Difficulty levels definitely have a role. (I'm trying out a Superhuman game just now; it seems that all of the ratings are more extreme, although I haven't studied carefully what is going on.) - [[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 1:19, 25 Feb 2010 (CST)

			== Is it worth putting up the full table of starting relations? ==

			I mean, it's easy enough to get it from Apoc'd, and we know how it's modified (+-10 randomly except for +100 (i.e. organisations' attitudes to themselves, and the Cult of Sirius toward Aliens), and a difficulty modifier for attitudes to X-COM). It is a pretty big table, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)