Talk:Reactions Training - Revision history

Ethereal Cereal: Talk:Reaction Training moved to Talk:Reactions Training: Okay, this is bugging me; the name of the stat is "reactions", not "reaction"

2007-12-24T11:18:03Z

Talk:Reaction Training moved to Talk:Reactions Training: Okay, this is bugging me; the name of the stat is "reactions", not "reaction"

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Schnobs: /* Redundancy Alert */

2007-10-26T21:20:57Z

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	::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. For example, the risk that a Muton will exit, survive the fire from ambushing troopers, and then turn and kill one or more soldier. Or the high risks of UFO ambushing a Battleship(Blaster Bombs ahoy!) Or the danger of trying to ambush a Snakeman Terror Ship or Battleship. Also include weapon usage tips, of course. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. For example, the risk that a Muton will exit, survive the fire from ambushing troopers, and then turn and kill one or more soldier. Or the high risks of UFO ambushing a Battleship(Blaster Bombs ahoy!) Or the danger of trying to ambush a Snakeman Terror Ship or Battleship. Also include weapon usage tips, of course. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

			I've now tried to merge the two articles; haven't deleted the stuff over here yet, though, in order to make it easier for others to double-check wether I did a good enough job. Once the ufo camping stuff is out of this article, it will be a mere stub; I suggest to relocate the remainder to the [[Reactions]] article and delete this one. Incidentally, [[Reactions]] also needs a cleanup; way too much discusion in the actual article.--[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 14:20, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

Arrow Quivershaft: /* Redundancy Alert */ Addendum to comment.

2007-10-26T05:03:01Z

Redundancy Alert: Addendum to comment.

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	: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

	::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. For example, the risk that a Muton will exit, survive the fire from ambushing troopers, and then turn and kill one or more soldier. Or the high risks of UFO ambushing a Battleship(Blaster Bombs ahoy!) Or the danger of trying to ambush a Snakeman Terror Ship or Battleship. Also include weapon usage tips, of course. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

Arrow Quivershaft: /* Redundancy Alert */

2007-10-26T04:56:36Z

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	Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)
	: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

			::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

NKF: /* Redundancy Alert */

2007-10-26T04:15:58Z

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	Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)
			: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

Schnobs: New section: Redundancy Alert

2007-10-25T17:50:24Z

New section: Redundancy Alert

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	:: -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		:: -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

			== Redundancy Alert ==

			Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

NKF: /* Section rewrite suggestions */

2007-03-16T04:41:58Z

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	:Aside from those, I agree with all your points.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 12:42, 15 March 2007 (PDT)		:Aside from those, I agree with all your points.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 12:42, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

			:: A lot of these are just notes I'd jotted down on a piece of paper while I should've been working. Didn't have much time to think them through. However, I think that some of them (like range) should still be considered even if you cannot always get into the right situations where they'd come in handy. But when you do, it's worth to have a few tricks in the toolbox to use.

			:: The corners aren't useful for concentrated reaction training sessions ala the ufo door ambush, but it's still a great tool if you spot an opportunity where you can set up a small ambush for a small bit of spontaenous training.

			:: I was also stressing that the point of reaction training is not to kill the alien, but to react against it. Whether you kill it or not is another matter entirely. By the way, will a second volley of reaction fire count in the queue if you do get to fire twice before the alien gets to react? One other benefit, now that I think about it, is that if the alien fires (and misses), you'll get yet another chance of launching into opportunity fire.

			:: -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

Ethereal Cereal: /* Section rewrite suggestions */

2007-03-15T19:42:08Z

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	:Using maximum visual distance is impractical on most maps, as you rarely get a clear shot at the door from 20 paces away. The smoke grenade trick is the same general idea, but more practical: much less distance needed, and the aliens have fewer TUs when they come out of the cloud. It's a pity you run out of smokeable tiles so quickly, otherwise I'd use smoke everywhere.		:Using maximum visual distance is impractical on most maps, as you rarely get a clear shot at the door from 20 paces away. The smoke grenade trick is the same general idea, but more practical: much less distance needed, and the aliens have fewer TUs when they come out of the cloud. It's a pity you run out of smokeable tiles so quickly, otherwise I'd use smoke everywhere.

	:Aside from those, I agree with all your points.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 12:40, 15 March 2007 (PDT)		:Aside from those, I agree with all your points.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 12:42, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

Ethereal Cereal: /* Section rewrite suggestions */

2007-03-15T19:40:33Z

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	- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]		- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]

			:Well, I've started off with the "exit door ambush" section, which as I said in my edit summary, I'll probably move out into its own article, as it is a very basic tactic which incidentally is good for reaction training. What I haven't gotten to yet is emphasizing AC-IN vs. Silacoids as the "training of choice", which I finally tested in the field and is flawless. You can give all your soldiers maximum reactions training risk-free as long as you bring enough clips.

			:Most of your points are good (and specific to door-ambushing). A few I contest: you ''do'' want the best possible chance to kill the alien, unless you know it to be unarmed. As has been mentioned elsewhere, soldiers get reactions experience from being in the "reaction shot queue" even if the alien dies before it's their turn to fire. If it gets a chance to shoot back, someone dies. (Unless maybe you're using a tank as reactions bait -- but only if that works flawlessly. I haven't tried it myself yet.)

			:Because of blind spots, corners are very bad for reactions training -- although a corner bathed in smoke might work well. Then again, corners are even better when blown up, if possible, or scouted from a distance so as to snipe whatever you find there. Corners inside UFOs are tough propositions in general.

			:Using maximum visual distance is impractical on most maps, as you rarely get a clear shot at the door from 20 paces away. The smoke grenade trick is the same general idea, but more practical: much less distance needed, and the aliens have fewer TUs when they come out of the cloud. It's a pity you run out of smokeable tiles so quickly, otherwise I'd use smoke everywhere.

			:Aside from those, I agree with all your points.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 12:40, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

NKF: /* Section rewrite suggestions */

2007-03-15T10:10:52Z

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	Flare on top of the UFO if it's dark. Flying suits to hover and get a different angle. Using the maximum visible distance when lining up with the doorway so that the aliens come within range just as they leave the door - not before. Why soldiers should not face each other.		Flare on top of the UFO if it's dark. Flying suits to hover and get a different angle. Using the maximum visible distance when lining up with the doorway so that the aliens come within range just as they leave the door - not before. Why soldiers should not face each other.

	Then, perhaps a whole new section of its own, special notes on the various UFO types, marking out good looter/scavenger and arrows to show which directions can be used to ambush ~~teh~~ aliens. So on and so forth.		Then, perhaps a whole new section of its own, special notes on the various UFO types, marking out good looter/scavenger/short-range attacker locations and arrows to show which directions can be used to ambush the aliens. So on and so forth.

	Warnings: scale your weapons to your enemies. It's crazy to face sectopods with pistols, for example even though they are the best reaction training weapon in the game.		Warnings: scale your weapons to your enemies. It's crazy to face sectopods with pistols, for example even though they are the best reaction training weapon in the game. Though you'd train well, you wouldn't stand a chance against the sectopod's plasma gun.

	Notes on what to do if nothing seems to be happening ~ aliens may be stuck and need to be coerced out by moving units close to it.		Notes on what to do if nothing seems to be happening ~ aliens may be stuck and need to be coerced out by moving units close to it. Notes on unique UFOs where the alien usually won't move - or will not come out (i.e. alien in bridge of abducter).

	Etc, etc, etc. I've even got a funny picture of a sectoid surrounded by guns pointing at in the frame. Odd that.		Etc, etc, etc. I've even got a funny picture of a sectoid surrounded by guns pointing at in the frame. Odd that.

	I think ~~we really need~~ a ~~table of~~ contents to work off. Any suggestions?		I think a good place would be to start with a good contents to work off. Any suggestions?

	- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]		- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]

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	Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		Seems as if much of this article was once copied over from [[UFO_Exit_Ambush]]. Now some additions have been made here, some there... they're diverging. I suspect that people editing one version didn't know that the other one even existed. Methinks it would be better to merge the articles, and only have a link from here to there. --[[User:Schnobs\|Schnobs]] 10:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)
	: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)		: Yep, both articles were created independantly with the same ideas. There are actually a number of redundant sections that need ironing out, I suppose this is a good one to start with. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 21:15, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

			::My suggestion would by to turn UFO Exit Ambush into a guide on the exact hazards of a UFO Exit Ambush, much like I'm trying to do with [[Clearing UFOs]]. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:56, 25 October 2007 (PDT)