Talk:ROUTES.DAT - Revision history

Morgan525: cleaned up the grammar

2016-01-09T02:37:27Z

cleaned up the grammar

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	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 05:29, 23 September 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 05:29, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

	From what I've made of the bit4, it's set ~~unit~~ a unit ~~in patrol mode~~ reaches it ~~as a destination~~. Once set, the AI ~~for patrol mode units~~ will skip ~~this node~~ for ~~a destination. It seems to ensure that~~ patrol units ~~always move to new areas~~.--[[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525\|talk]]~~) 08:23, 8 January 2016 (EST~~)		From what I've made of the code concerning bit4, its used to keep units in patrol mode moving to new areas: It's set after it was selected as a destination and the unit reaches it. Once set, the AI will skip these nodes for patrol units when determining future destinations. -- [[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525\|talk]])

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Morgan525: /* Offset 19 (0x13) */ observation on byte 13h

2016-01-08T13:23:54Z

Offset 19 (0x13): observation on byte 13h

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	3 = Flying Small (flying small)		3 = Flying Small (flying small)
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 05:29, 23 September 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 05:29, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

			From what I've made of the bit4, it's set unit a unit in patrol mode reaches it as a destination. Once set, the AI for patrol mode units will skip this node for a destination. It seems to ensure that patrol units always move to new areas.--[[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525\|talk]]) 08:23, 8 January 2016 (EST)

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Hobbes: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-26T15:31:00Z

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	VIS and on the last one the (aliens definitly kept themselves to the higher levels' (VIS is an XComUtil flag that reveals the entire battlefield).		VIS and on the last one the (aliens definitly kept themselves to the higher levels' (VIS is an XComUtil flag that reveals the entire battlefield).
	'I think it's more a matter of probability....if you have a node with links to three others with the same value and one of them is in a higher level, there's one third of a chance that he'll go upstairs' [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:30, 8 January 2012 (EST)		'I think it's more a matter of probability....if you have a node with links to three others with the same value and one of them is in a higher level, there's one third of a chance that he'll go upstairs' [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:30, 8 January 2012 (EST)
			:Started going over the .RMP files to create the routes for my terrain replacement mod for UFO. The theory of 'the higher the number on this flag, the most likely it will influence the AI' seems to stick by looking at the distribution of the values, specially regarding UFOs. The bridges and engine areas of the larger UFOs usually have much higher values (>5) in clusters, most likely to force the aliens to stay on those areas, as usually seen during (it can also be inferred that they are used to create 'ambushes'). The question still to be answered is what the AI does exactly - there are 2 main hypothesis at this point - a) that they are used by aliens on patrol/guard when choosing the next node that they will travel to (higher values are preferred over the lower ones) or b) that the number determines the time that the alien will spend on that node (which would be useful to set up snipers and ambushes. I will test for b) later. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (EST)

Hobbes at 23:30, 8 January 2012

2012-01-08T23:30:24Z

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	::--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:45, 6 January 2012 (EST)		::--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:45, 6 January 2012 (EST)
	:::I got no clue about 'offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat' means :) I'm not used to code, just using software that others created to mod things :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:10, 8 January 2012 (EST)		:::I got no clue about 'offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat' means :) I'm not used to code, just using software that others created to mod things :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:10, 8 January 2012 (EST)
			Just read an old chat I had with BladeFireLight a while ago. This is what I wrote:
			'I tried it three times.....on the first I randomly attributed higher values to nodes in upper levels, on the second I attributed high values to specific nodes located on top of stairs and so forth, on the third I increased the value of the highest nodes and put high values on specific nodes to make sure that the aliens would choose them.............I ran each test about some 20 times using
			VIS and on the last one the (aliens definitly kept themselves to the higher levels' (VIS is an XComUtil flag that reveals the entire battlefield).
			'I think it's more a matter of probability....if you have a node with links to three others with the same value and one of them is in a higher level, there's one third of a chance that he'll go upstairs' [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:30, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Hobbes: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-08T23:10:41Z

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	::Note that offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat also has something to do with pathfinding...		::Note that offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat also has something to do with pathfinding...
	::--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:45, 6 January 2012 (EST)		::--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:45, 6 January 2012 (EST)
			:::I got no clue about 'offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat' means :) I'm not used to code, just using software that others created to mod things :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 18:10, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Daiky: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-06T10:45:38Z

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	:I've always disregarded the theory that aliens leave their craft after turn 8. While it may seem that way, a more easy explanation is simply that the more aliens you have on a confined space, the longer it will take for them to reach the outside because they will block each other's movement (unless they spot a hostile unit, their scouting mode seems to be to go from one waypoint to the other unless they are blocked). Again most of this can't be exactly trusted because without some sort of proof, which I dont have other than observation. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 19:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)		:I've always disregarded the theory that aliens leave their craft after turn 8. While it may seem that way, a more easy explanation is simply that the more aliens you have on a confined space, the longer it will take for them to reach the outside because they will block each other's movement (unless they spot a hostile unit, their scouting mode seems to be to go from one waypoint to the other unless they are blocked). Again most of this can't be exactly trusted because without some sort of proof, which I dont have other than observation. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 19:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)
	::"the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point."; I also think this is a "weight" value when evaluating the next target node, but it's possible there is still some randomness on top of that, otherwise alien behaviour could become too predictable.		::"the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point."; I also think this is a "weight" value when evaluating the next target node, but it's possible there is still some randomness on top of that, otherwise alien behaviour could become too predictable.
	Note that offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat also has something to do with pathfinding...		::Note that offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat also has something to do with pathfinding...
	--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:40, 6 January 2012 (EST)		::--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:45, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Daiky: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-06T10:40:13Z

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	:Regarding the small rooms I've seen aliens hiding on those, I can't remember if their are spawn points also though. I've made quite a few attempts are figuring out what the values meant on terrain modes I've created, usually based on the assumption that the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point. Can't really say that it worked all the time.		:Regarding the small rooms I've seen aliens hiding on those, I can't remember if their are spawn points also though. I've made quite a few attempts are figuring out what the values meant on terrain modes I've created, usually based on the assumption that the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point. Can't really say that it worked all the time.
	:I've always disregarded the theory that aliens leave their craft after turn 8. While it may seem that way, a more easy explanation is simply that the more aliens you have on a confined space, the longer it will take for them to reach the outside because they will block each other's movement (unless they spot a hostile unit, their scouting mode seems to be to go from one waypoint to the other unless they are blocked). Again most of this can't be exactly trusted because without some sort of proof, which I dont have other than observation. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 19:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)		:I've always disregarded the theory that aliens leave their craft after turn 8. While it may seem that way, a more easy explanation is simply that the more aliens you have on a confined space, the longer it will take for them to reach the outside because they will block each other's movement (unless they spot a hostile unit, their scouting mode seems to be to go from one waypoint to the other unless they are blocked). Again most of this can't be exactly trusted because without some sort of proof, which I dont have other than observation. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 19:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			::"the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point."; I also think this is a "weight" value when evaluating the next target node, but it's possible there is still some randomness on top of that, otherwise alien behaviour could become too predictable.
			Note that offset 0x2B (43) on unitref.dat also has something to do with pathfinding...
			--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 05:40, 6 January 2012 (EST)

Hobbes: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-06T00:20:04Z

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	On other terrain once and a while there is a flags 1 value, the rest is 0. It could be aliens walk around and stand still and look around on the nodes with flags 1.		On other terrain once and a while there is a flags 1 value, the rest is 0. It could be aliens walk around and stand still and look around on the nodes with flags 1.
	--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 15:45, 5 January 2012 (EST)		--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 15:45, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			:Regarding the small rooms I've seen aliens hiding on those, I can't remember if their are spawn points also though. I've made quite a few attempts are figuring out what the values meant on terrain modes I've created, usually based on the assumption that the higher the number on the flag the more the AI would 'choose' to go to that point. Can't really say that it worked all the time.
			:I've always disregarded the theory that aliens leave their craft after turn 8. While it may seem that way, a more easy explanation is simply that the more aliens you have on a confined space, the longer it will take for them to reach the outside because they will block each other's movement (unless they spot a hostile unit, their scouting mode seems to be to go from one waypoint to the other unless they are blocked). Again most of this can't be exactly trusted because without some sort of proof, which I dont have other than observation. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 19:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Daiky: /* Offsets 0x15 (21) & 0x16 (22) */

2012-01-05T20:45:32Z

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	Yes, this was confirmed. Though if Alien spots your unit, it will pursue (in Snipe mode), no matter what routes and flags are		Yes, this was confirmed. Though if Alien spots your unit, it will pursue (in Snipe mode), no matter what routes and flags are
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 00:51, 28 September 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 00:51, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

			I wonder why there are so-called targetpoints (flags 5 in base defense) in the small rooms around the hangar?
			Also, on terror sites there are flags 1 (and I found a flags 2 on a roof). They seem to be somewhat random, however on maps with buildings, the nodes with flags 1 are mostly inside. An explanation may be that aliens are attracted to these flags 1 nodes as targetpoints, making aliens targetting the inside of buildings to terrorise civilians.
			On larger UFOs, the flags seems to have the same value as priority? Which might be an error in the data? Or maybe the flags values are not used in UFOs at all. There is a theory that until a certain turn aliens will prefer to stay inside and around the UFO before spreading to the outside, this might be controlled by this flags.
			On other terrain once and a while there is a flags 1 value, the rest is 0. It could be aliens walk around and stand still and look around on the nodes with flags 1.
			--[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 15:45, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Daiky: /* Offset 20 */

2011-12-30T20:30:38Z

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	8 = ..., Commander/Leader/Medic, Engineer/Navigator/Soldier/Terrorist		8 = ..., Commander/Leader/Medic, Engineer/Navigator/Soldier/Terrorist
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 03:21, 26 September 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 03:21, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

			little note: "scout" is also a civilian spawn node, they also only spawn at 0 --[[User:Daiky\|Daiky]] 15:30, 30 December 2011 (EST)

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