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Magic9mushroom: /* Experience from proximity grenades? */

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Experience from proximity grenades?

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	==Experience from proximity grenades?==		==Experience from proximity grenades?==
	I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)? [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 09:58, 15 March 2019 (CET)		I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)? [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 09:58, 15 March 2019 (CET)

			:To my understanding, all grenades give Firing Accuracy experience equal to the number of enemies hit. The trick here is that grenades have an "ownership" flag which tells the game who gets the experience, and the flag doesn't always behave intuitively. Specifically, dropping a grenade doesn't reset the flag (so the experience goes to the last person who threw the grenade, or to the first unit if nobody threw it), and triggering a proximity grenade ''does''. So if you set off a proximity grenade with your own soldier, he'd get Firing Accuracy experience equal to the number of enemies (non-MCed aliens and MCed X-Com troops) hit by the blast. I'm not really sure whether a soldier under alien mind control setting off a proximity grenade would get Firing Accuracy experience for blowing himself up (as he is currently an enemy) - it'd depend on whether XP checks what side someone's currently on.

			:Note that none of this applies to Throwing Accuracy experience. Throwing objects always awards 1 Throwing Accuracy experience to the thrower, and Proximity Grenades are no exception. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 04:06, 16 March 2019 (CET)

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	In the tips section it says "PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw." and in the proceed with caution "A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius vertically". Does this mean that you cannot walk onto the mine if already in the 8 squares. If the middle square is also one of the squares that detonates it then I think it should be mentioned as well as moving down into the blast radius and then moving normally onto the mines tile. [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 10:11, 15 March 2019 (CET)		In the tips section it says "PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw." and in the proceed with caution "A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius vertically". Does this mean that you cannot walk onto the mine if already in the 8 squares. If the middle square is also one of the squares that detonates it then I think it should be mentioned as well as moving down into the blast radius and then moving normally onto the mines tile. [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 10:11, 15 March 2019 (CET)

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	==Standing on the edge==		==Standing on the edge==
	In the tips section it says "PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw." and in the proceed with caution "A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius vertically". Does this mean that you cannot walk onto the mine if already in the 8 squares. If the middle square is also one of the squares that detonates it then I think it should be mentioned as well as moving down into the blast radius and then moving normally onto the mines tile.		In the tips section it says "PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw." and in the proceed with caution "A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius vertically". Does this mean that you cannot walk onto the mine if already in the 8 squares. If the middle square is also one of the squares that detonates it then I think it should be mentioned as well as moving down into the blast radius and then moving normally onto the mines tile. [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 10:11, 15 March 2019 (CET)

PocketUFOPlayer?: Further question regarding proximity grenades.

2019-03-15T09:10:52Z

Further question regarding proximity grenades.

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	==Experience from proximity grenades?==		==Experience from proximity grenades?==
	I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)? [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 09:58, 15 March 2019 (CET)		I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)? [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 09:58, 15 March 2019 (CET)

			==Standing on the edge==
			In the tips section it says "PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw." and in the proceed with caution "A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius vertically". Does this mean that you cannot walk onto the mine if already in the 8 squares. If the middle square is also one of the squares that detonates it then I think it should be mentioned as well as moving down into the blast radius and then moving normally onto the mines tile.

PocketUFOPlayer? at 08:58, 15 March 2019

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	==Experience from proximity grenades?==		==Experience from proximity grenades?==
	I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)?		I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)? [[User:PocketUFOPlayer?\|PocketUFOPlayer?]] ([[User talk:PocketUFOPlayer?\|talk]]) 09:58, 15 March 2019 (CET)

PocketUFOPlayer?: How do proximity grenades give experience?

2019-03-15T08:53:45Z

How do proximity grenades give experience?

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	:::Eh, I should have figured, the AI indeed does not pay attention to Proximity Grenades. (Just tested it: at their feet, on two sides, makes no difference.) So all talk of "pinning aliens" is complete bunk. Oh well, it would have been fun playing "taunt the Chryssalid". :-) --[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:19, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:::Eh, I should have figured, the AI indeed does not pay attention to Proximity Grenades. (Just tested it: at their feet, on two sides, makes no difference.) So all talk of "pinning aliens" is complete bunk. Oh well, it would have been fun playing "taunt the Chryssalid". :-) --[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 23:19, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

			==Experience from proximity grenades?==
			I've heard that triggering proximity grenades gives the unit that does it hits which make the unit get experience at the end of the mission. I was wondering if the exp is just for triggering it or if it gives the units hits equal to the number of units in its blast radius (does itself count?) so having 11 friendly or enemy units in the blast radius would give it 11 hits (unless I'm interpreting this wrongly or if friendly fire this way doesn't give hits.)?

NKF: Really odd that my edit wiped the previous update. Restored missing text.

2009-01-21T05:23:53Z

Really odd that my edit wiped the previous update. Restored missing text.

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. I think we just need to raise our collective [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ Imagination] to find said advantage. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)		:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)

NKF at 05:20, 21 January 2009

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. ~~I think we just need to raise our collective~~ [~~http~~:~~//www~~.~~mspaintadventures~~.~~com/ Imagination]~~ to ~~find said advantage~~. [[User:~~NightChime~~\|~~NightChime~~]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

			:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

NightChime: /* Pinning an alien */ MSPA reference

2009-01-21T01:53:18Z

Pinning an alien: MSPA reference

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. I think we just need to raise our collective [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ Imagination] to find said advantage. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

NightChime: /* Pinning an alien */

2009-01-21T01:45:33Z

Pinning an alien

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	:::: To correct a mis-throw that fell one tile short? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:49, 15 January 2009 (CST)		:::: To correct a mis-throw that fell one tile short? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:49, 15 January 2009 (CST)

			::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

NKF: /* Pinning an alien */ One possible but desparate use

2009-01-16T05:49:23Z

Pinning an alien: One possible but desparate use

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	:::But wouldn't that be in all cases, not just this one? As mentioned below, I think we're all pretty sure aliens ignore Proxies, so one to the side of the alien won't alter its AI to your liking. And two to the sides will also have the same effect as one on its square; if it moves, a proxy goes off. Can a "direct hit" with a proxy be achieved if the alien walks right onto the grenade? In that case, the only added bonus I could see multiple proxies getting is a higher chance of said direct hit. It may not be conclusive evidence, but if aliens saw proximity grenades, they would in all likelihood walk around them whenever possible. On the "farm" level, a proxy on the corner of a building (with ample open space around said building) will almost guaranteed detonate on any alien maneuvering around said corner, as basically whenever I plant those, it either goes off, or I don't get attacked from that area (not that I usually get attacked from there after an alien dies on it anyway). I think the main question here is... what extra effect does one go for when they try to "pin" an alien with proximity grenades ? I suspect there are none whatsoever. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 18:30, 15 January 2009 (CST)		:::But wouldn't that be in all cases, not just this one? As mentioned below, I think we're all pretty sure aliens ignore Proxies, so one to the side of the alien won't alter its AI to your liking. And two to the sides will also have the same effect as one on its square; if it moves, a proxy goes off. Can a "direct hit" with a proxy be achieved if the alien walks right onto the grenade? In that case, the only added bonus I could see multiple proxies getting is a higher chance of said direct hit. It may not be conclusive evidence, but if aliens saw proximity grenades, they would in all likelihood walk around them whenever possible. On the "farm" level, a proxy on the corner of a building (with ample open space around said building) will almost guaranteed detonate on any alien maneuvering around said corner, as basically whenever I plant those, it either goes off, or I don't get attacked from that area (not that I usually get attacked from there after an alien dies on it anyway). I think the main question here is... what extra effect does one go for when they try to "pin" an alien with proximity grenades ? I suspect there are none whatsoever. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 18:30, 15 January 2009 (CST)

			:::: To correct a mis-throw that fell one tile short? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:49, 15 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. I think we just need to raise our collective [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ Imagination] to find said advantage. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)		:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. ~~I think we just need to raise our collective~~ [~~http~~:~~//www~~.~~mspaintadventures~~.~~com/ Imagination]~~ to ~~find said advantage~~. [[User:~~NightChime~~\|~~NightChime~~]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

			:::::: Heh, I'm not really for multiple mines myself. The only desired effect of pinning or tossing a mine on the other side (due to a misthrow) is to ''ensure'' that the alien will set off the explosive at the end of the turn. A one-tile short throw would leave the alien open to walk away from it - even if it doesn't realise it. You could say the whole matter is really more a case of "penning" rather than "pinning". -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:20, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

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	::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)		::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. I think we just need to raise our collective [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/ Imagination] to find said advantage. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

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			::::: I would see that. But I also wouldn't call that "pinning"; that's just a re-throw, even if you choose to throw it on the other side of the alien, unless you do so for whatever advantage pinning might bring. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 19:45, 20 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

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	:::But wouldn't that be in all cases, not just this one? As mentioned below, I think we're all pretty sure aliens ignore Proxies, so one to the side of the alien won't alter its AI to your liking. And two to the sides will also have the same effect as one on its square; if it moves, a proxy goes off. Can a "direct hit" with a proxy be achieved if the alien walks right onto the grenade? In that case, the only added bonus I could see multiple proxies getting is a higher chance of said direct hit. It may not be conclusive evidence, but if aliens saw proximity grenades, they would in all likelihood walk around them whenever possible. On the "farm" level, a proxy on the corner of a building (with ample open space around said building) will almost guaranteed detonate on any alien maneuvering around said corner, as basically whenever I plant those, it either goes off, or I don't get attacked from that area (not that I usually get attacked from there after an alien dies on it anyway). I think the main question here is... what extra effect does one go for when they try to "pin" an alien with proximity grenades ? I suspect there are none whatsoever. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 18:30, 15 January 2009 (CST)		:::But wouldn't that be in all cases, not just this one? As mentioned below, I think we're all pretty sure aliens ignore Proxies, so one to the side of the alien won't alter its AI to your liking. And two to the sides will also have the same effect as one on its square; if it moves, a proxy goes off. Can a "direct hit" with a proxy be achieved if the alien walks right onto the grenade? In that case, the only added bonus I could see multiple proxies getting is a higher chance of said direct hit. It may not be conclusive evidence, but if aliens saw proximity grenades, they would in all likelihood walk around them whenever possible. On the "farm" level, a proxy on the corner of a building (with ample open space around said building) will almost guaranteed detonate on any alien maneuvering around said corner, as basically whenever I plant those, it either goes off, or I don't get attacked from that area (not that I usually get attacked from there after an alien dies on it anyway). I think the main question here is... what extra effect does one go for when they try to "pin" an alien with proximity grenades ? I suspect there are none whatsoever. [[User:NightChime\|NightChime]] 18:30, 15 January 2009 (CST)

			:::: To correct a mis-throw that fell one tile short? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:49, 15 January 2009 (CST)

	:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)		:Of course it won't. The first Prox Grenade will destroy the second; that was noted in my first post at the top of this talk page. ;) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:21, 2 June 2008 (PDT)