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Darkpast: /* About the Toxiguns */

2020-07-14T09:24:06Z

About the Toxiguns

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	::And yeah, the insane fire rate of the Toxigun means there usually isn't much time for Critical Wounds to get the kill credit (Toxin C also guarantees a one-hit-kill on Novice). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 08:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		::And yeah, the insane fire rate of the Toxigun means there usually isn't much time for Critical Wounds to get the kill credit (Toxin C also guarantees a one-hit-kill on Novice). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 08:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
			:::Looks like a freak accident then, even though it happened on two occassions. Shows the importance of thorough testing. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 09:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* About the Toxiguns */

2020-07-14T08:16:58Z

About the Toxiguns

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	Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
	: Toxigun, Plasma (P-Gun/Sword), Laser and Devastator damage don't cause them to explode, every other type of damage does (other than stun). This includes Fatal Wounds even if they are unconscious. However, Fatal Wounds caused by the Toxigun I have never observed to kill/explode a Popper, as they are usually dead on the first or second shot. I guess this is a more rare occurrence, simply because they die so quickly. Exploding from Fatal Wounds is most certainly a thing, regarless which damage type cause the Fatal Wound. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		: Toxigun, Plasma (P-Gun/Sword), Laser and Devastator damage don't cause them to explode, every other type of damage does (other than stun). This includes Fatal Wounds even if they are unconscious. However, Fatal Wounds caused by the Toxigun I have never observed to kill/explode a Popper, as they are usually dead on the first or second shot. I guess this is a more rare occurrence, simply because they die so quickly. Exploding from Fatal Wounds is most certainly a thing, regarless which damage type cause the Fatal Wound. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
			::Alien Gas doesn't detonate Poppers, either, and Entropy Enzyme/Smoke cannot be the killing blow because Poppers are immune. So that just leaves Armour Piercing, Explosive, Incendiary (i.e. the three mentioned in the UFOpaedia) and possibly Falling Object.

			::And yeah, the insane fire rate of the Toxigun means there usually isn't much time for Critical Wounds to get the kill credit (Toxin C also guarantees a one-hit-kill on Novice). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 08:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Bard: /* About the Toxiguns */

2020-07-14T07:50:11Z

About the Toxiguns

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	Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
	: ~~Toxiguns~~, Plasma (P-Gun/Sword) and ~~Lasers~~ don't cause them to explode, every other type of damage does (other than stun). This includes Fatal Wounds even if they are unconscious. However, Fatal Wounds caused by the Toxigun I have never observed to kill/explode a Popper, as they are usually dead on the first or second shot. I guess this is a more rare occurrence, simply because they die so quickly. Exploding from Fatal Wounds is most certainly a thing, regarless which damage type cause the Fatal Wound. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		: Toxigun, Plasma (P-Gun/Sword), Laser and Devastator damage don't cause them to explode, every other type of damage does (other than stun). This includes Fatal Wounds even if they are unconscious. However, Fatal Wounds caused by the Toxigun I have never observed to kill/explode a Popper, as they are usually dead on the first or second shot. I guess this is a more rare occurrence, simply because they die so quickly. Exploding from Fatal Wounds is most certainly a thing, regarless which damage type cause the Fatal Wound. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Bard: /* About the Toxiguns */

2020-07-14T07:48:31Z

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	Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
			: Toxiguns, Plasma (P-Gun/Sword) and Lasers don't cause them to explode, every other type of damage does (other than stun). This includes Fatal Wounds even if they are unconscious. However, Fatal Wounds caused by the Toxigun I have never observed to kill/explode a Popper, as they are usually dead on the first or second shot. I guess this is a more rare occurrence, simply because they die so quickly. Exploding from Fatal Wounds is most certainly a thing, regarless which damage type cause the Fatal Wound. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? */

2020-07-14T07:34:13Z

Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy?

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	:::The "mass before attacking" could be an artifact of how aliens of a given type tend to spawn together (if you use tools or teleporters + turn-based to get a look at where aliens start, you'll generally find all the Anthropods together, all the Skeletoids together, etc.). The smoke grenades are definitely the AI being clever, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		:::The "mass before attacking" could be an artifact of how aliens of a given type tend to spawn together (if you use tools or teleporters + turn-based to get a look at where aliens start, you'll generally find all the Anthropods together, all the Skeletoids together, etc.). The smoke grenades are definitely the AI being clever, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

			::::I've done some further observation of Popper behaviour. Of course, it's difficult to confirm this 100%, but it seems they do not coordinate their attacks after all. What happens is that they get stuck in corridors behind slower aliens, so when they emerge into the open it only ''appears'' that the Poppers were timing their attack.
			::::It does appear that aliens and guards from the same ''squad'' tend to stay together, though. I've even seen one squad attack me from one direction, followed by another group from a different direction (i.e. flanking). But it's difficult to tell whether this is clever AI or simple coincidence. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

	== About the Toxiguns ==		== About the Toxiguns ==

	Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* About the Toxiguns */ new section

2020-07-14T07:15:55Z

About the Toxiguns: new section

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	:::The "mass before attacking" could be an artifact of how aliens of a given type tend to spawn together (if you use tools or teleporters + turn-based to get a look at where aliens start, you'll generally find all the Anthropods together, all the Skeletoids together, etc.). The smoke grenades are definitely the AI being clever, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)		:::The "mass before attacking" could be an artifact of how aliens of a given type tend to spawn together (if you use tools or teleporters + turn-based to get a look at where aliens start, you'll generally find all the Anthropods together, all the Skeletoids together, etc.). The smoke grenades are definitely the AI being clever, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

			== About the Toxiguns ==

			Well I've set up a test and you're right - they don't cause Poppers to explode. However... there might be a way for it to happen - if they're wounded by the shot and bleed to death, they explode, right? I think that's what happened in my game. Either that or the Popper was wounded by something else (I had some Agents with Plasma Guns) and bled to death just before the Toxigun round connected. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? */

2020-07-14T05:29:03Z

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	::Yeah, I'm referring to the standard AI. If I understand correctly, the sneaking and hiding is part of the Popper's Learning AI? I'm asking because even the standard AI is smart enough to have Anthropods use smoke grenades and mass before attacking, for example. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)		::Yeah, I'm referring to the standard AI. If I understand correctly, the sneaking and hiding is part of the Popper's Learning AI? I'm asking because even the standard AI is smart enough to have Anthropods use smoke grenades and mass before attacking, for example. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

			:::The "mass before attacking" could be an artifact of how aliens of a given type tend to spawn together (if you use tools or teleporters + turn-based to get a look at where aliens start, you'll generally find all the Anthropods together, all the Skeletoids together, etc.). The smoke grenades are definitely the AI being clever, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? */

2020-07-02T20:35:33Z

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	:Unless you are playing with the original CD to have the Learning AI work, all aliens and hostile units will only display standard behaviour. Poppers for example can learn to sneak up from the side or behind your troops or hide in rooms until your troops have advanced before they come out and explode. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)		:Unless you are playing with the original CD to have the Learning AI work, all aliens and hostile units will only display standard behaviour. Poppers for example can learn to sneak up from the side or behind your troops or hide in rooms until your troops have advanced before they come out and explode. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

			::Yeah, I'm referring to the standard AI. If I understand correctly, the sneaking and hiding is part of the Popper's Learning AI? I'm asking because even the standard AI is smart enough to have Anthropods use smoke grenades and mass before attacking, for example. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Bard: /* Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? */

2020-07-02T20:23:39Z

Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy?

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	Like it says in the title. I've noticed Poppers tend to attack me at the same time as other aliens, despite being much faster. Of course, it could just be coincidence, but it certainly seems to happen more often than with Brainsuckers or Hyperworms. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)		Like it says in the title. I've noticed Poppers tend to attack me at the same time as other aliens, despite being much faster. Of course, it could just be coincidence, but it certainly seems to happen more often than with Brainsuckers or Hyperworms. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

			:Unless you are playing with the original CD to have the Learning AI work, all aliens and hostile units will only display standard behaviour. Poppers for example can learn to sneak up from the side or behind your troops or hide in rooms until your troops have advanced before they come out and explode. [[User:Bard\|Bard]] ([[User talk:Bard\|talk]]) 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? */ new section

2020-07-02T20:07:37Z

Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy?: new section

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	-[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 04:23, 17 June 2010 (EDT)		-[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 04:23, 17 June 2010 (EDT)

			== Is it just me, or do they actually have some tactical savvy? ==

			Like it says in the title. I've noticed Poppers tend to attack me at the same time as other aliens, despite being much faster. Of course, it could just be coincidence, but it certainly seems to happen more often than with Brainsuckers or Hyperworms. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 20:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)