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EsTeR: I love when obsecure stuff is found. Its like caving.

2022-10-28T15:16:36Z

I love when obsecure stuff is found. Its like caving.

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	* Looks like the launching of civilian vehicles to defend their buildings is a bug, then.		* Looks like the launching of civilian vehicles to defend their buildings is a bug, then.
	* I'll add the stuff about military ground vehicles to the cut items page. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:47, 28 October 2022 (CEST)		* I'll add the stuff about military ground vehicles to the cut items page. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:47, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

			one thing I'm 100% sure about is that orgs can buy new vehicles each hour.

			Correct! I did not force illegal flyer actions at a certain times over a period of multiple hours (using the savegame\organised crime section) but gave the "Miscellaneous/Mega.. Raids" and "Neutral..." all entrys as "illegal flyer" (it is '''6''' in the menu) so that the <u>game decides</u>, not me, when to initiate a flyer action. The vehicles were refreshed after each hour!<br>
			Soo... forcing the outcome is slightly different that letting the game decide. You are more correct than me since game choosing what to do vs my forcing it, overrides my actions.<br>
			And funding of all these was (Funds) as 3,800,000,000 and (Unknown 7) as 4,200,000,000 which the game will change to approximately Funds= $-682,000,000 and Unknown 7= $-94,000,000. Money does not matter!

			launching of civilian vehicles to defend their buildings is a bug

			[[Known_Bugs_(Apocalypse)\|You got another!]] Known_Bugs_(Apocalypse)\|You found it, you claim it! [[User:EsTeR\|EsTeR]] ([[User talk:EsTeR\|talk]])

Darkpast at 06:44, 28 October 2022

2022-10-28T06:44:46Z

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	* Well I'll do more testing and perhaps ask the OpenApoc coders about the funding. But one thing I'm 100% sure about is that orgs can buy new vehicles each hour. Just tried it - I destroyed Marsec's entire vehicle park at 12:00, skipped forward to 13:55 and they already have new vehicles. It's also mentioned by Magic9mushroom, above: "(it's possible to run an organisation out of vehicles, but if you come back a '''couple of hours later''' they'll have bought replacements)" (emphasis added by me).		* Well I'll do more testing and perhaps ask the OpenApoc coders about the funding. But one thing I'm 100% sure about is that orgs can buy new vehicles each hour. Just tried it - I destroyed Marsec's entire vehicle park at 12:00, skipped forward to 13:55 and they already have new vehicles. It's also mentioned by Magic9mushroom, above: "(it's possible to run an organisation out of vehicles, but if you come back a '''couple of hours later''' they'll have bought replacements)" (emphasis added by me). EDIT: One possibility is that orgs only buy vehicles "hourly" as a response to X-Com aggression. Otherwise yes, they only seem to expand their vehicle pools at the end of the day if not provoked by X-Com. (I'll try testing this further)
	* Ok, interesting stuff about all orgs launching illegal flyers. I guess there are modifiers to the "raid actions chart", then. Probably based on relations and/or money.		* Ok, interesting stuff about all orgs launching illegal flyers. I guess there are modifiers to the "raid actions chart", then. Probably based on relations and/or money.
	* Ok, good if the upgrades are mentioned elsewhere.		* Ok, good if the upgrades are mentioned elsewhere.
			* Looks like the launching of civilian vehicles to defend their buildings is a bug, then.
	* I'll add the stuff about military ground vehicles to the cut items page. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:47, 28 October 2022 (CEST)		* I'll add the stuff about military ground vehicles to the cut items page. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:47, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

Darkpast at 05:47, 28 October 2022

2022-10-28T05:47:50Z

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	Stormdog and Others<br>		Stormdog and Others<br>
	Add it to cut items page!		Add it to cut items page!

			* Well I'll do more testing and perhaps ask the OpenApoc coders about the funding. But one thing I'm 100% sure about is that orgs can buy new vehicles each hour. Just tried it - I destroyed Marsec's entire vehicle park at 12:00, skipped forward to 13:55 and they already have new vehicles. It's also mentioned by Magic9mushroom, above: "(it's possible to run an organisation out of vehicles, but if you come back a '''couple of hours later''' they'll have bought replacements)" (emphasis added by me).
			* Ok, interesting stuff about all orgs launching illegal flyers. I guess there are modifiers to the "raid actions chart", then. Probably based on relations and/or money.
			* Ok, good if the upgrades are mentioned elsewhere.
			* I'll add the stuff about military ground vehicles to the cut items page. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 07:47, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

EsTeR: how i tested

2022-10-28T00:30:32Z

how i tested

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 * Well I have just tested this by bankrupting Marsec and guess what - no new vehicles. To be specific, I set their funds to zero using Apoc'd, destroyed their entire fleet, then leveled their buildings, driving them into negative funding. I waited two days and they did not replace their vehicles. So either we're doing something different, or this varies between different versions of the game.
 * Also, destroyed vehicles aren't always replaced by the same vehicles. Instead, each organization has a chance of buying new vehicles each hour (not day!) and will do so - I don't exactly how it chooses which vehicles to buy and when they have "enough". So, let's say Marsec has 3 Hoverbikes and 2 Hovercars. If you destroy them, they'll buy new vehicles, but it might not be the same number and type.
 * Some organizations start with no vehicles (such as the Government), while others have a lot (gangs, Megapol), but how often they buy new ones seems to be based mostly on their funding. I think this should be mentioned.
 * It should be mentioned that Megapol doesn't use Phoenix Hovercars or Hoverbikes.
 * Can Illegal Flyers really be sent by anyone? I've only seen it done by infiltrated organizations, the gangs and Megapol. But I haven't tested it exhaustively.
 * I have definitely seen organizations scramble unarmed civilian vehicles (such as the Rescue Transport) when their buildings are attacked. I've also seen civilian vehicles appear in their vehicle pools, though these do not seem to be the ones you see driving from one building to another.
 * Have you ever seen an organization use a vehicle with non-default weapons or upgrades?
 * Megapol and the gangs do start with Stormdogs, and Megapol has a Griffon, but they never seem to deploy them. I guess this doesn't have to be mentioned here, but it may fit under "unused features". [[User:Darkpast|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast|talk]]) 00:26, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

Darkpast: /* Funding or Funds Does Not Matter */

2022-10-27T22:57:33Z

Funding or Funds Does Not Matter

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	* Also, destroyed vehicles aren't always replaced by the same vehicles. Instead, each organization has a chance of buying new vehicles each hour (not day!) and will do so - I don't exactly how it chooses which vehicles to buy and when they have "enough". So, let's say Marsec has 3 Hoverbikes and 2 Hovercars. If you destroy them, they'll buy new vehicles, but it might not be the same number and type.		* Also, destroyed vehicles aren't always replaced by the same vehicles. Instead, each organization has a chance of buying new vehicles each hour (not day!) and will do so - I don't exactly how it chooses which vehicles to buy and when they have "enough". So, let's say Marsec has 3 Hoverbikes and 2 Hovercars. If you destroy them, they'll buy new vehicles, but it might not be the same number and type.
	* Some organizations start with no vehicles (such as the Government), while others have a lot (gangs, Megapol), but how often they buy new ones seems to be based mostly on their funding. I think this should be mentioned.		* Some organizations start with no vehicles (such as the Government), while others have a lot (gangs, Megapol), but how often they buy new ones seems to be based mostly on their funding. I think this should be mentioned.
	* It should be mentioned that Megapol doesn't use Phoenix Hovercars.		* It should be mentioned that Megapol doesn't use Phoenix Hovercars or Hoverbikes.
	* Can Illegal Flyers really be sent by anyone? I've only seen it done by infiltrated organizations, the gangs and Megapol. But I haven't tested it exhaustively.		* Can Illegal Flyers really be sent by anyone? I've only seen it done by infiltrated organizations, the gangs and Megapol. But I haven't tested it exhaustively.
	* I have definitely seen organizations scramble unarmed civilian vehicles (such as the Rescue Transport) when their buildings are attacked. I've also seen civilian vehicles appear in their vehicle pools, though these do not seem to be the ones you see driving from one building to another.		* I have definitely seen organizations scramble unarmed civilian vehicles (such as the Rescue Transport) when their buildings are attacked. I've also seen civilian vehicles appear in their vehicle pools, though these do not seem to be the ones you see driving from one building to another.
	* Have you ever seen an organization use a vehicle with non-default weapons or upgrades?		* Have you ever seen an organization use a vehicle with non-default weapons or upgrades?
	* Megapol and the gangs do start with Stormdogs, and Megapol has a Griffon, but they never seem to deploy them. I guess this doesn't have to be mentioned here, but it may fit under "unused features". [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 00:26, 28 October 2022 (CEST)		* Megapol and the gangs do start with Stormdogs, and Megapol has a Griffon, but they never seem to deploy them. I guess this doesn't have to be mentioned here, but it may fit under "unused features". [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 00:26, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

Darkpast at 22:26, 27 October 2022

2022-10-27T22:26:28Z

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	False.<br>		False.<br>
	Replacement of vehicles by "bankrupt" orgs is always completed on the new day. Their funds, or lack of, is irrelevant. I've tested this already ...way too much.		Replacement of vehicles by "bankrupt" orgs is always completed on the new day. Their funds, or lack of, is irrelevant. I've tested this already ...way too much.

			* Well I have just tested this by bankrupting Marsec and guess what - no new vehicles. To be specific, I set their funds to zero using Apoc'd, destroyed their entire fleet, then leveled their buildings, driving them into negative funding. I waited two days and they did not replace their vehicles. So either we're doing something different, or this varies between different versions of the game.
			* Also, destroyed vehicles aren't always replaced by the same vehicles. Instead, each organization has a chance of buying new vehicles each hour (not day!) and will do so - I don't exactly how it chooses which vehicles to buy and when they have "enough". So, let's say Marsec has 3 Hoverbikes and 2 Hovercars. If you destroy them, they'll buy new vehicles, but it might not be the same number and type.
			* Some organizations start with no vehicles (such as the Government), while others have a lot (gangs, Megapol), but how often they buy new ones seems to be based mostly on their funding. I think this should be mentioned.
			* It should be mentioned that Megapol doesn't use Phoenix Hovercars.
			* Can Illegal Flyers really be sent by anyone? I've only seen it done by infiltrated organizations, the gangs and Megapol. But I haven't tested it exhaustively.
			* I have definitely seen organizations scramble unarmed civilian vehicles (such as the Rescue Transport) when their buildings are attacked. I've also seen civilian vehicles appear in their vehicle pools, though these do not seem to be the ones you see driving from one building to another.
			* Have you ever seen an organization use a vehicle with non-default weapons or upgrades?
			* Megapol and the gangs do start with Stormdogs, and Megapol has a Griffon, but they never seem to deploy them. I guess this doesn't have to be mentioned here, but it may fit under "unused features". [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 00:26, 28 October 2022 (CEST)

EsTeR: incorrect

2022-10-26T21:41:45Z

incorrect

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	Therefore, the information from the Tips Book will soon be removed unless someone comes up with '''conclusive evidence''' to the contrary. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:48, 11 July 2022 (CEST)		Therefore, the information from the Tips Book will soon be removed unless someone comes up with '''conclusive evidence''' to the contrary. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:48, 11 July 2022 (CEST)

			=Funding or Funds Does Not Matter=
			Bankrupt organisations cannot buy new vehicles.
			False.<br>
			Replacement of vehicles by "bankrupt" orgs is always completed on the new day. Their funds, or lack of, is irrelevant. I've tested this already ...way too much.

Darkpast: /* Alliance effects */ new section

2022-07-11T19:48:49Z

Alliance effects: new section

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	:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)		:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)

			== Alliance effects ==

			Upon my request, Skin36 was kind enough to investigate the code in order to determine whether good relations have the effects claimed in the Tips Book. After checking 10 different organizations, the effect is a resounding "no". In fact, the only noticeable effect is that non-Human recruits will not be available if X-COM's relationship with the SELF/Mutant Alliance is less than 0, as detailed by Magic9Mushroom here: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Talk:Agents_(Apocalypse)

			Furthermore, I have done in-game tests and concluded that being allied with Sanctuary Clinic or Nanotech has no effect on Agents' healing rates. Likewise, being allied with Synthemesh has no visible effect on building repair rate: they always seem to be repaired one level (floor) per day.

			Therefore, the information from the Tips Book will soon be removed unless someone comes up with '''conclusive evidence''' to the contrary. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:48, 11 July 2022 (CEST)

EsTeR: cleanup

2022-06-15T15:13:42Z

cleanup

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	:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)		:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)

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	~~==Relations Overview==~~

	The table below lists the organizations and their attitude towards other organizations at the start of the game. A short description of them is available below the table. For more information into their activities and products check their individual pages and for a description of how they interact check [[Relations (Apocalypse)\|Relations]].
	~~<br>~~
	~~<br>~~
	~~<table {{StdDescTable}}>~~
	~~<th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Organization</th><th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Friendly/Allied to<th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Unfriendly/Hostile to</th>~~
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]] [[Image:Apoc_ts_icon.png]] [[Transtellar]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sd_icon.png]] [[Superdynamics]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_gm_icon.png]] [[General Metro]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_gm_icon.png]] [[General Metro]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sd_icon.png]] [[Superdynamics]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_cyberweb_icon.png]] [[Cyberweb]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td></tr>~~
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_ts_icon.png]] [[Transtellar]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_energen_icon.png]] [[Energen]]</td></tr>~~
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_lifetree_icon.png]] [[Lifetree]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_lifetree_icon.png]] [[Lifetree]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_nutrivend_icon.png]] [[Nutrivend]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_evonet_icon.png]] [[Evonet]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_evonet_icon.png]] [[Evonet]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nutrivend_icon.png]] [[Nutrivend]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sanctuary_icon.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td><td></td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sanctuary_icon.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]]</td><td></td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_energen_icon.png]] [[Energen]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td></tr>~~
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_synthemesh_icon.png]] [[Synthemesh]]</td><td></td><td></td></tr>~~
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_mutant_icon.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]]<sup>1</sup></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_mutant_icon.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]<sup>1</sup></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]] [[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_technocr_icon.png]] [[Technocrats]]</td></tr>
	~~<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_technocr_icon.png]] [[Technocrats]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td></tr>~~
	~~</table>~~
	~~<br>~~

	<sup>1</sup> Both the Mutant Alliance and S.E.L.F. are set to start slightly friendly to X-COM. However, due to the randomization that happens to every organization's value to another at start they might begin the game with a 0 or negative value towards X-COM.

EsTeR: dump for use later

2022-06-15T12:23:40Z

dump for use later

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	:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)		:::::::Fair enough, I hadn't really notice that before. But my main point is that I see no evidence to back up the vast majority of what the Tips Book claims regarding the effects of alliances. [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 21:59, 27 May 2022 (CEST)

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			==Relations Overview==

			The table below lists the organizations and their attitude towards other organizations at the start of the game. A short description of them is available below the table. For more information into their activities and products check their individual pages and for a description of how they interact check [[Relations (Apocalypse)\|Relations]].
			<br>
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			<table {{StdDescTable}}>
			<th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Organization</th><th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Friendly/Allied to<th {{StdDescTable_Heading}}>Unfriendly/Hostile to</th>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]] [[Image:Apoc_ts_icon.png]] [[Transtellar]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sirius_icon.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom_icon.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)\|X-COM]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sd_icon.png]] [[Superdynamics]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_gm_icon.png]] [[General Metro]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_gm_icon.png]] [[General Metro]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sd_icon.png]] [[Superdynamics]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_cyberweb_icon.png]] [[Cyberweb]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_ts_icon.png]] [[Transtellar]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens_icon.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)\|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_energen_icon.png]] [[Energen]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_lifetree_icon.png]] [[Lifetree]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_lifetree_icon.png]] [[Lifetree]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_nutrivend_icon.png]] [[Nutrivend]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_evonet_icon.png]] [[Evonet]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_evonet_icon.png]] [[Evonet]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nutrivend_icon.png]] [[Nutrivend]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_sanctuary_icon.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td><td></td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_nanotech_icon.png]] [[Nanotech]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sanctuary_icon.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]]</td><td></td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_energen_icon.png]] [[Energen]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_synthemesh_icon.png]] [[Synthemesh]]</td><td></td><td></td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball_icon.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_osiron_icon.png]] [[Osiron]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision_icon.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke_icon.png]] [[Psyke]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo_icon.png]] [[Diablo]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_mutant_icon.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]]<sup>1</sup></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_mutant_icon.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_self_icon.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]]<sup>1</sup></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_govt_icon.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol_icon.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_marsec_icon.png]] [[Marsec]] [[Image:Apoc_solmine_icon.png]] [[Solmine]]</td><td>[[Image:Apoc_technocr_icon.png]] [[Technocrats]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Image:Apoc_technocr_icon.png]] [[Technocrats]]</td><td></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_extropians_icon.png]] [[Extropians]]</td></tr>
			</table>
			<br>

			<sup>1</sup> Both the Mutant Alliance and S.E.L.F. are set to start slightly friendly to X-COM. However, due to the randomization that happens to every organization's value to another at start they might begin the game with a 0 or negative value towards X-COM.