Talk:Making the Game Harder - Revision history

Magic9mushroom: /* Record for clock-time speedrun? */ Some notes from my own run.

2018-06-29T10:33:57Z

Record for clock-time speedrun?: Some notes from my own run.

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	Note that the game can be completed more quickly on Superhuman than on lower difficulties, because money is a limiting factor and you get more of it on Superhuman (more aliens per UFO = more loot, higher probability of spawning Retaliation missions). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)		Note that the game can be completed more quickly on Superhuman than on lower difficulties, because money is a limiting factor and you get more of it on Superhuman (more aliens per UFO = more loot, higher probability of spawning Retaliation missions). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

			:I just finished a June-1 runthrough (my first Superhuman ironman). I got the Avenger done in early May and Cydonia or Bust around the 21st (I was waiting on a Commander, because I hadn't had a crack at a Battleship until early May, the first Battleship I saw escaped me during Skyranger downtime, and the Commander of the first alien base I assaulted committed suicide; I'd have gotten it a week or two earlier otherwise), but waited on the psi-screen.

			:I think finishing all the necessary tech by early April might be a possibility if you forgo psi-screening (an awful lot of funds went to my eight Psi-Labs that could have gone into more labs), though building the Avenger will probably push you to late April. I don't see any way to get a psi-screen before May 1, even if you get a Sectoid terror site in January (a single Laboratory isn't going to get you the Psi-Lab by Feb 2, which is the cut-off for a screen in March, and filling two Laboratories before the end of January is some arcane sorcery). So my guess at the earliest you could eke it out is mid-late April, and for that you'll have to do Cydonia without psi and recover almost every UFO that spawns (as I did), as well as planning well ahead in base construction and possibly accepting unsafe layouts (since Workshops have such an incredibly-long lead time and you need at least two, probably three to build the Avenger as well as all the other gear you'll need to have a remote chance at Superhuman Cydonia with no psi-screening). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 12:33, 29 June 2018 (CEST)

Magic9mushroom: /* Record for clock-time speedrun? */ new section

2016-05-26T06:41:30Z

Record for clock-time speedrun?: new section

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	: Here's an idea. An alternative to this scenario is to do it mid-game. Simulate a catastrophic loss by dismantling all your bases and edit your funds down to your desired difficulty level. Maybe lose a couple of funding nations. With the increased alien activity, this would be a bit more challenging. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 01:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)		: Here's an idea. An alternative to this scenario is to do it mid-game. Simulate a catastrophic loss by dismantling all your bases and edit your funds down to your desired difficulty level. Maybe lose a couple of funding nations. With the increased alien activity, this would be a bit more challenging. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 01:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

			== Record for clock-time speedrun? ==

			Is there a known record for a clock-time speedrun (beating the game on as early an in-game date as possible)?

			Obviously save-scumming helps make it quicker, so there'd probably be separate categories for save-scum and iron-man runs.

			I know you can do a psi-screen by June 1 (capture a Sectoid Leader at the end of Feb, research usually takes too long to get Psi-Labs up by the end of March but you can get many labs up by April 30, screen in May, get results June 1), and I think it's possible to also finish the Avenger and research Cydonia or Bust by then. I'm trying to get June 1 in my current playthrough.

			You may be able to do a psi-screen in April (getting results on May 1) if you nab a Leader in January or get an early Feb terror mission + lots of scientists + good rolls on research times. I suspect you'd run into issues getting the rest of your tech done, though, so I think the best you could do would be mid-May, or perhaps late-April/early-May if you skip psi-screening and really skimp on non-essential tech (though that will make Cydonia harder).

			Note that the game can be completed more quickly on Superhuman than on lower difficulties, because money is a limiting factor and you get more of it on Superhuman (more aliens per UFO = more loot, higher probability of spawning Retaliation missions). [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 06:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Magic9mushroom: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-22T07:29:46Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	:::: There should be a way to add tabs to pages if you think it would be useful to split this page. It was implemented for EU2012 a while ago although it never got much use. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]]		:::: There should be a way to add tabs to pages if you think it would be useful to split this page. It was implemented for EU2012 a while ago although it never got much use. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]]
	:::: Found it, Pete implemented this more than a year ago. Check the link for instructions on how to use it: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tabber]([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2015 (EDT)		:::: Found it, Pete implemented this more than a year ago. Check the link for instructions on how to use it: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tabber]([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

			:I'm done with my condensation of the main page. Certainly a lot shorter now... [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 03:29, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

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Hobbes: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-21T13:38:41Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	::: Actually, subdividing the section like that isn't a bad idea. Having simple challenges separate from the more involved ones that require 3rd party tools (like XComutil) would certainly go a good way towards organizing the section. Other projects like the Extenders and OpenXCom could also get a brief plug as they do have some options that can be set to add that little extra challenge. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 02:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)		::: Actually, subdividing the section like that isn't a bad idea. Having simple challenges separate from the more involved ones that require 3rd party tools (like XComutil) would certainly go a good way towards organizing the section. Other projects like the Extenders and OpenXCom could also get a brief plug as they do have some options that can be set to add that little extra challenge. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 02:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

	:::: There should be a way to add tabs to pages if you think it would be useful to split this page. It was implemented for EU2012 a while ago although it never got much use. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2015 (EDT)		:::: There should be a way to add tabs to pages if you think it would be useful to split this page. It was implemented for EU2012 a while ago although it never got much use. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]]
			:::: Found it, Pete implemented this more than a year ago. Check the link for instructions on how to use it: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tabber]([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

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Hobbes: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-21T13:35:37Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	::: Actually, subdividing the section like that isn't a bad idea. Having simple challenges separate from the more involved ones that require 3rd party tools (like XComutil) would certainly go a good way towards organizing the section. Other projects like the Extenders and OpenXCom could also get a brief plug as they do have some options that can be set to add that little extra challenge. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 02:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)		::: Actually, subdividing the section like that isn't a bad idea. Having simple challenges separate from the more involved ones that require 3rd party tools (like XComutil) would certainly go a good way towards organizing the section. Other projects like the Extenders and OpenXCom could also get a brief plug as they do have some options that can be set to add that little extra challenge. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 02:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

			:::: There should be a way to add tabs to pages if you think it would be useful to split this page. It was implemented for EU2012 a while ago although it never got much use. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2015 (EDT)

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NKF: /* Flagged for rewrite */ Flagging for change

2015-05-20T06:01:40Z

Flagged for rewrite: Flagging for change

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	:What I ''want'' to do is to put Scott Jones' scenarios on one page, the user-generated oddball scenarios on another, and have some community-recognised and simple challenges (no modding, simple rules) on the main page. But I sort of feel that would be stepping on everyone's fun, and I already feel like a bull in a china shop with the old part of the wiki as inactive as it is. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		:What I ''want'' to do is to put Scott Jones' scenarios on one page, the user-generated oddball scenarios on another, and have some community-recognised and simple challenges (no modding, simple rules) on the main page. But I sort of feel that would be stepping on everyone's fun, and I already feel like a bull in a china shop with the old part of the wiki as inactive as it is. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 May 2015 (EDT)
	::Rule 3 of Wikipedia: Be bold, but not reckless. I started this page a long time ago and I'd rather see it evolving than to be become static. If anyone disagrees with your changes then they better start participating in the discussions rather than be only lurking. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:45, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		::Rule 3 of Wikipedia: Be bold, but not reckless. I started this page a long time ago and I'd rather see it evolving than to be become static. If anyone disagrees with your changes then they better start participating in the discussions rather than be only lurking. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:45, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

			::: Actually, subdividing the section like that isn't a bad idea. Having simple challenges separate from the more involved ones that require 3rd party tools (like XComutil) would certainly go a good way towards organizing the section. Other projects like the Extenders and OpenXCom could also get a brief plug as they do have some options that can be set to add that little extra challenge. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 02:01, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

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Hobbes: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-19T18:45:37Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	:What I ''want'' to do is to put Scott Jones' scenarios on one page, the user-generated oddball scenarios on another, and have some community-recognised and simple challenges (no modding, simple rules) on the main page. But I sort of feel that would be stepping on everyone's fun, and I already feel like a bull in a china shop with the old part of the wiki as inactive as it is. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		:What I ''want'' to do is to put Scott Jones' scenarios on one page, the user-generated oddball scenarios on another, and have some community-recognised and simple challenges (no modding, simple rules) on the main page. But I sort of feel that would be stepping on everyone's fun, and I already feel like a bull in a china shop with the old part of the wiki as inactive as it is. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 May 2015 (EDT)
			::Rule 3 of Wikipedia: Be bold, but not reckless. I started this page a long time ago and I'd rather see it evolving than to be become static. If anyone disagrees with your changes then they better start participating in the discussions rather than be only lurking. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 14:45, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

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Magic9mushroom: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-19T06:33:26Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	:: On a second line of thought, the page does have that feel of being an informal user contribution area. Much like the guides. It is a guide of sorts after all. I'm thinking of moving it under that heading on the main menu. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 01:59, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		:: On a second line of thought, the page does have that feel of being an informal user contribution area. Much like the guides. It is a guide of sorts after all. I'm thinking of moving it under that heading on the main menu. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 01:59, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

			:What I ''want'' to do is to put Scott Jones' scenarios on one page, the user-generated oddball scenarios on another, and have some community-recognised and simple challenges (no modding, simple rules) on the main page. But I sort of feel that would be stepping on everyone's fun, and I already feel like a bull in a china shop with the old part of the wiki as inactive as it is. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

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NKF: /* Flagged for rewrite */

2015-05-19T05:59:24Z

Flagged for rewrite

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	:Yeah, this whole page does feel a little... tacky. I don't really know how to express it. What do you think a rewrite should do? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:44, 18 May 2015 (EDT)		:Yeah, this whole page does feel a little... tacky. I don't really know how to express it. What do you think a rewrite should do? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:44, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

			:: Ah - so this is the seed that eventuated in the <nowiki>{{REWRITE}}</nowiki> template. Rather amusing that I completely forgot to apply it to this page after it was made. The page does come off as one big rambling wall of text. The original XComutil scenarios could go into their own page. Otherwise, general tidying up like simplifying and summarizing the explanations and rewriting some of the more chatty text to bring it in line with the main articles would do wonders.

			:: On a second line of thought, the page does have that feel of being an informal user contribution area. Much like the guides. It is a guide of sorts after all. I'm thinking of moving it under that heading on the main menu. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 01:59, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

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Magic9mushroom: /* Flagged for rewrite */ indentation

2015-05-18T10:14:39Z

Flagged for rewrite: indentation

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	Actually, it might be a good idea to create a 'ARTICLE FLAGGED FOR REWRITE' type inclusion page that is tacked to the top of all articles that need rewrites, like the ones found on Wikipedia. The advantage is that all pages have got a 'what links here' page that can help editors track pages that need editing. I'll sit on that idea for a bit. Might be useful. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:14, 30 August 2010 (EDT)		Actually, it might be a good idea to create a 'ARTICLE FLAGGED FOR REWRITE' type inclusion page that is tacked to the top of all articles that need rewrites, like the ones found on Wikipedia. The advantage is that all pages have got a 'what links here' page that can help editors track pages that need editing. I'll sit on that idea for a bit. Might be useful. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:14, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

	Yeah, this whole page does feel a little... tacky. I don't really know how to express it. What do you think a rewrite should do? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:44, 18 May 2015 (EDT)		:Yeah, this whole page does feel a little... tacky. I don't really know how to express it. What do you think a rewrite should do? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 05:44, 18 May 2015 (EDT)

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