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	:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)		:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
	:: I wasn't going to accuse you, it's just... this info is too "out of nowhere" tho _pretty_ detailed, that I suspected it might be the real game source (if I remember correctly they claimed it was simply "lost"). My sources are just reversed exes, tho I tried to dig up through everything I could. Of course they don't contain any comments or var names to figure out something about structure members which actually ~~was~~ "optimized" and thrown away from EXE as not used. Of course initially they must be having some purpose devs quitted eventually. And of course I trust you. Partial tile rendering COULD be used for some volumetric tiles like wheat, and for some reason that concept was rejected. But structure member remains. --[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 03:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)		:: I wasn't going to accuse you, it's just... this info is too "out of nowhere" tho _pretty_ detailed, that I suspected it might be the real game source (if I remember correctly they claimed it was simply "lost"). My sources are just reversed exes, tho I tried to dig up through everything I could. Of course they don't contain any comments or var names to figure out something about structure members which actually were "optimized" and thrown away from EXE as not used. Of course initially they must be having some purpose devs quitted eventually. And of course I trust you. Partial tile rendering COULD be used for some volumetric tiles like wheat, and for some reason that concept was rejected. But structure member remains. --[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 03:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

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	:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)		:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
	:: I wasn't going to accuse you, it's just... this info is too "out of nowhere" tho _pretty_ detailed, that I suspected it might be the real game source (if I remember correctly they claimed it was simply "lost"). My sources are just reversed exes, tho I tried to dig up through everything I could. Of course they don't contain any comments or var names to figure out something about structure members which actually was "optimized" and thrown away from EXE as not used. Of course initially they must be having some purpose devs quitted eventually. And of course I trust you. Partial tile rendering COULD be used for some volumetric tiles like wheat, and for some reason that concept was rejected. But structure member remains.		:: I wasn't going to accuse you, it's just... this info is too "out of nowhere" tho _pretty_ detailed, that I suspected it might be the real game source (if I remember correctly they claimed it was simply "lost"). My sources are just reversed exes, tho I tried to dig up through everything I could. Of course they don't contain any comments or var names to figure out something about structure members which actually was "optimized" and thrown away from EXE as not used. Of course initially they must be having some purpose devs quitted eventually. And of course I trust you. Partial tile rendering COULD be used for some volumetric tiles like wheat, and for some reason that concept was rejected. But structure member remains. --[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 03:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 03:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

Volutar: /* Offset 38 (0x26) */

2015-06-20T07:45:58Z

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	:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)		:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
			:: I wasn't going to accuse you, it's just... this info is too "out of nowhere" tho _pretty_ detailed, that I suspected it might be the real game source (if I remember correctly they claimed it was simply "lost"). My sources are just reversed exes, tho I tried to dig up through everything I could. Of course they don't contain any comments or var names to figure out something about structure members which actually was "optimized" and thrown away from EXE as not used. Of course initially they must be having some purpose devs quitted eventually. And of course I trust you. Partial tile rendering COULD be used for some volumetric tiles like wheat, and for some reason that concept was rejected. But structure member remains.
			--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 03:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

Zombie: /* Offset 38 (0x26) */ Reply

2015-06-20T05:08:42Z

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	I seems to me as just a fantasy.		I seems to me as just a fantasy.
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 10:34, 19 June 2015 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 10:34, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

			:Before you accuse me of being delusional or making stuff up, consider that I am working directly off of dev comments from part of the ACTUAL C code from UFO which I received recently. It's commented in there plain as day. Whether it is actually used in-game anymore is not a earth shattering concern - providing explanations to the remaining unknowns is what I'm after. The burden of proof lies in testing or code digging to see if it is used or not. (You are more than welcome to provide any additional information you can find out). And before this discussion degrades into a "but you only have it, I can't trust you unless I can see it myself" issue, no, you may not get the C code until I can get it cleared through 2K/Firaxis. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] ([[User talk:Zombie\|talk]]) 01:08, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

Volutar: /* Offset 38 (0x26) */

2015-06-19T14:34:13Z

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	I seems to me as just a fantasy.		I seems to me as just a fantasy.
			--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] ([[User talk:Volutar\|talk]]) 10:34, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Volutar: /* Offset 38 (0x26) */ new section

2015-06-19T14:33:55Z

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	These are 6 and 7 tiles in U_BITS tileset.		These are 6 and 7 tiles in U_BITS tileset.
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 08:02, 12 October 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 08:02, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

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			Zombie: Defined as "printype"; 3=whole, 2=right side, 1=left side.
			Since this is always 3 the game prints the entire object, while the assumption is that
			values of 2 or 1 are possibly used for the map designer.

			Where is it "defined"? It's not used in the game code AT ALL. There is no check whether it 3,2 or 1.
			What map designer do you mean?

			I seems to me as just a fantasy.

Volutar: /* Ground with TUs = 0 */ new section

2011-10-12T12:02:25Z

Ground with TUs = 0: new section

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	::Right. Only went looking in the Editors section, Maps didn't register on the radar. --[[User:Knan\|Knan]] 17:47, 14 March 2009 (EDT)		::Right. Only went looking in the Editors section, Maps didn't register on the radar. --[[User:Knan\|Knan]] 17:47, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

			== Ground with TUs = 0 ==

			There are at least 2 ground tiles which consumes 0 TUs to walk through them.
			Interesting thing, that pathfinder deny walk directly on them, you can only walk ''through''.
			These are 6 and 7 tiles in U_BITS tileset.
			--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 08:02, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Volutar: /* Offset 51 / 0x33 */

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	isExplosion=0;		isExplosion=0;
	}		}
			BTW, there are only 50 chained explosions possible, 51th won't explode.
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 06:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 06:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Volutar: /* Offset 51 clarification */

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 Does anyone have particular observation of such ''non standard'' explosions behaviour?
 --[[User:Volutar|Volutar]] 05:55, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
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Volutar: /* Offset 51 / 0x33 */

2011-04-16T09:55:59Z

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	Function at address .text:00417F40 refers to this field and to the table (dimensions is 11x17: 11 block values for 17 levels of intensity) at .data:0046C45C. This function is used for calculation of how much explosion will come from x/y/z to its neighbour x1/y1.		Function at address .text:00417F40 refers to this field and to the table (dimensions is 11x17: 11 block values for 17 levels of intensity) at .data:0046C45C. This function is used for calculation of how much explosion will come from x/y/z to its neighbour x1/y1.
	--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 14:28, 15 April 2011 (EDT)		--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 14:28, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

			It's not that easy as it meets the eye. This function (using field 51) works only for second chained explosion. It doesn't create lot of smoke comparing to original and first chained explosions...

			Does anyone have particular observation of such ''non standard'' explosions behaviour?
			--[[User:Volutar\|Volutar]] 05:55, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

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