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Spike: /* Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen */ Updated weapon analysis based on changes in data

2012-10-19T16:08:56Z

Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen: Updated weapon analysis based on changes in data

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	(Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT))		(Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT))

	Assuming 20 Armor for our target, the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, ~~and~~ HJ-AP have no chance to ~~even~~ punch through ~~the~~ armor, whereas the ~~GC-AP~~, GC~~-HE, HJ~~-HE, PD ~~grenade, Mag. Grenade,~~ and ~~Gauss Pistol~~ can only lightly injure them. Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only ~~weapons on this table~~ that ~~even have~~ a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot ~~outside of~~ the ~~Drills and Stun weapons are Sonic Rifle and the Sonic Cannon~~; even the mighty DPL ~~has difficulty sending~~ these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)		Assuming 20 Front Armor / 10 Under Armor for our target (vs 24 Front / 12 Under on Superhuman), the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, HJ-AP, GC-AP and Gauss Pistol have no chance at all to punch through un-degraded armor, whereas the Gauss Rifle, Heavy Gauss, and direct hits with GC-HE, PD Grenades and even Large Torpedoes can only lightly injure them. Only with Sonic weapons, Disruptors, melee or stun weapons is significant damage reliably dealt with each hit. Even then, Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only ranged weapon that has a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot at above Beginner difficulty is the Thermal Shok Launcher (which will typically one-shot them); even the mighty DPL requires multiple hits to send these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)

	: Prime [[Weapon Analysis]] material there AQ! Interesting to consider how armour facing affect the damage (directional vs. under) though. For example, the average case scenarios for the sonic pistol and GC-HE come off as being almost equal (but not quite) after deducting their respective armor values. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:06, 27 February 2009 (CST) (edit: doh, actually let me rethink that - forgot to deduct from the GC-HE)		: Prime [[Weapon Analysis]] material there AQ! Interesting to consider how armour facing affect the damage (directional vs. under) though. For example, the average case scenarios for the sonic pistol and GC-HE come off as being almost equal (but not quite) after deducting their respective armor values. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:06, 27 February 2009 (CST) (edit: doh, actually let me rethink that - forgot to deduct from the GC-HE)

Spike: /* Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen */ Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range.

2012-10-19T14:56:01Z

Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen: Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range.

Spike: /* Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen */

2012-10-19T09:31:43Z

Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen

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	== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==		== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==

	''~~This~~ table is incorrect due to assumptions that are now known to be incorrect, as [[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] has determined that all TFTD damage rolls are 50-150%, including non-explosives, and there is no 0-200% damage range in TFTD for non-explosive weapons. Rewrite needed. ''. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:21, 19 October 2012 (EDT)		''The damage ranges in this table (struck-through headings) are incorrect due to assumptions that are now known to be incorrect, as [[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] has determined that all TFTD damage rolls are 50-150%, including non-explosives, and there is no 0-200% damage range in TFTD for non-explosive weapons. Rewrite needed. ''. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:21, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

	I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:		I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:

	<table {{StdCenterTable}} class="sortable">		<table {{StdCenterTable}} class="sortable">
	<tr {{StdDescTable_Heading}}><th width="180">Weapon</th><th width="90">Average Damage(normal)</th><th width="110">Damage Range(normal)</th><th width="90">Lobsterman Multiplier</th><th width="130">Average Damage(Lobsterman)</th><th width="140">Damage Range(Lobsterman)</th>		<tr {{StdDescTable_Heading}}><th width="180">Weapon</th><th width="90">Average Damage(normal)</th><th width="110"><s>Damage Range(normal)</s></th><th width="90">Lobsterman Multiplier</th><th width="130">Average Damage(Lobsterman)</th><th width="140"><s>Damage Range(Lobsterman)</s></th>
	<tr><td align="left">Dart Gun</td><td>16</td><td>0-32</td><td>20%</td><td>3.2</td><td>0-6.4</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Dart Gun</td><td>16</td><td>0-32</td><td>20%</td><td>3.2</td><td>0-6.4</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Jet Harpoon</td><td>32</td><td>0-64</td><td>20%</td><td>6.4</td><td>0-12.8</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Jet Harpoon</td><td>32</td><td>0-64</td><td>20%</td><td>6.4</td><td>0-12.8</td></tr>

Spike: /* Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen */ noted this table is based on assumptions now known to be incorrect

2012-10-19T09:21:48Z

Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen: noted this table is based on assumptions now known to be incorrect

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	== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==		== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==

			''This table is incorrect due to assumptions that are now known to be incorrect, as [[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] has determined that all TFTD damage rolls are 50-150%, including non-explosives, and there is no 0-200% damage range in TFTD for non-explosive weapons. Rewrite needed. ''. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:21, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

	I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:		I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:

NKF: /* Lobsterman culinary value */

2012-02-13T05:46:24Z

Lobsterman culinary value

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	:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)		:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)
	You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)		You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)

			: Definitely not the liquid metal variety. Man I wish the wiki had a smiley feature! I'm mainly mindful that the Aquatoids, like the Sectoids, have a bit of a b-movie mad-science approach to the creation of their war machines and make fusions of living creatures with machinery, like the Deep Ones and the Bio Drones. Purely mechanical creations would look more artificial, like the Cyberdiscs. Still, whether Lobstermen are edible is best left to the imagination. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:46, 13 February 2012 (EST)

Magic9mushroom at 10:01, 12 February 2012

2012-02-12T10:01:37Z

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	: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)		: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)
	:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)		:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)
			You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)

NKF: /* Fanfic? */

2012-02-12T08:05:37Z

Fanfic?

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	I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)		I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)
	: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)		: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)
			:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)

Spike: /* Fanfic? */ yes.

2012-02-11T23:29:16Z

Fanfic?: yes.

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	I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)		I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)
			: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)

Magic9mushroom at 22:54, 11 February 2012

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	: Definitely a humbling experience to have just one lobsterman slaughter your entire crew when all you've got are gauss rifles and gauss pistols. I've actually managed it with the GC-HE, but the sheer number of shots required for just one would mean you'll have emptied your belts long before you've got half way through the lobstermen. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:26, 27 February 2009 (CST)		: Definitely a humbling experience to have just one lobsterman slaughter your entire crew when all you've got are gauss rifles and gauss pistols. I've actually managed it with the GC-HE, but the sheer number of shots required for just one would mean you'll have emptied your belts long before you've got half way through the lobstermen. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:26, 27 February 2009 (CST)

			==Fanfic?==

			I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)

Tauon at 14:57, 12 January 2011

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	:That is a very nice table but I can't find the melee strength (built-in HTH attack) - there is only the accuracy given. Does anyone know the number?		:That is a very nice table but I can't find the melee strength (built-in HTH attack) - there is only the accuracy given. Does anyone know the number?
	The magnitude I would expect should be high enough to penetrate the side armor of magnetic ion armor but should often fail to penetrate the front plate.		:The magnitude I would expect should be high enough to penetrate the side armor of magnetic ion armor but should often fail to penetrate the front plate.--[[User:Tauon\|Tauon]] 09:57, 12 January 2011 (EST)

	== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==		== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==

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	(Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT))		(Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT))

	Assuming 20 Armor for our target, the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, ~~and~~ HJ-AP have no chance to ~~even~~ punch through ~~the~~ armor, whereas the ~~GC-AP~~, GC~~-HE, HJ~~-HE, PD ~~grenade, Mag. Grenade,~~ and ~~Gauss Pistol~~ can only lightly injure them. Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only ~~weapons on this table~~ that ~~even have~~ a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot ~~outside of~~ the ~~Drills and Stun weapons are Sonic Rifle and the Sonic Cannon~~; even the mighty DPL ~~has difficulty sending~~ these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)		Assuming 20 Front Armor / 10 Under Armor for our target (vs 24 Front / 12 Under on Superhuman), the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, HJ-AP, GC-AP and Gauss Pistol have no chance at all to punch through un-degraded armor, whereas the Gauss Rifle, Heavy Gauss, and direct hits with GC-HE, PD Grenades and even Large Torpedoes can only lightly injure them. Only with Sonic weapons, Disruptors, melee or stun weapons is significant damage reliably dealt with each hit. Even then, Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only ranged weapon that has a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot at above Beginner difficulty is the Thermal Shok Launcher (which will typically one-shot them); even the mighty DPL requires multiple hits to send these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)

	: Prime [[Weapon Analysis]] material there AQ! Interesting to consider how armour facing affect the damage (directional vs. under) though. For example, the average case scenarios for the sonic pistol and GC-HE come off as being almost equal (but not quite) after deducting their respective armor values. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:06, 27 February 2009 (CST) (edit: doh, actually let me rethink that - forgot to deduct from the GC-HE)		: Prime [[Weapon Analysis]] material there AQ! Interesting to consider how armour facing affect the damage (directional vs. under) though. For example, the average case scenarios for the sonic pistol and GC-HE come off as being almost equal (but not quite) after deducting their respective armor values. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:06, 27 February 2009 (CST) (edit: doh, actually let me rethink that - forgot to deduct from the GC-HE)

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	:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)		:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)
	You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)		You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)

			: Definitely not the liquid metal variety. Man I wish the wiki had a smiley feature! I'm mainly mindful that the Aquatoids, like the Sectoids, have a bit of a b-movie mad-science approach to the creation of their war machines and make fusions of living creatures with machinery, like the Deep Ones and the Bio Drones. Purely mechanical creations would look more artificial, like the Cyberdiscs. Still, whether Lobstermen are edible is best left to the imagination. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:46, 13 February 2012 (EST)

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	: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)		: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)
	:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)		:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)
			You're right that there could be organic components, but the references to it being an "amazing construction" and "carefully designed" (as opposed to "twisted" or "modified" or something) indicate it's something like a Terminator (appropriate comparison given their most prominent attribute) - it's got at the very least artificial bones and eyes and probably designed shell and brain as well (since it's got stuff hooked into it that the brain shouldn't be able to process). Would you want to eat a Terminator? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 05:01, 12 February 2012 (EST)

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	I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)		I'm challenging the "eat hearty after Lobster Man encounters" as possible fanfic. They're robots, and while TFTD is somewhat haphazard with science I don't think it's quite that retarded (in any case, I've never seen any reference to it in-game). I'll delete the references in a few days if not sourced. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] 17:54, 11 February 2012 (EST)
	: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)		: Agreed. They are mildly amusing but there's no other justification. Move them off to fanfic i guess [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 18:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)
			:: The eat hearty bit is a throwback to when we had much more lively albeit non-canon descriptions. Went hand in hand with the butter and salt and pepper references used in the text for the drills before they had an overhaul. May as well rewrite that bit out, it's not necessary anyhow. But regarding the Lobstermen, doesn't the autopsy text suggest it's organic with mechanical enhancements? [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 03:05, 12 February 2012 (EST)

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	== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==		== Weapon Damage vs. Lobstermen ==

	''The damage ranges in this table (struck-through headings) are incorrect due to assumptions that are now known to be incorrect, as [[User:Morgan525\|Tycho]] has determined that all TFTD damage rolls are 50-150%, including non-explosives, and there is no 0-200% damage range in TFTD for non-explosive weapons. Rewrite needed. ''. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:21, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

	I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:		I decided to pretend to be Zombie tonight. Here's a table of each weapon and its normal damage and damage range, then its damage and damage range after its affected by the appropriate Lobsterman damage modifier:

	<table {{StdCenterTable}} class="sortable">		<table {{StdCenterTable}} class="sortable">
	<tr {{StdDescTable_Heading}}><th width="180">Weapon</th><th width="90">Average Damage(normal)</th><th width="110"~~><s~~>Damage Range(normal)~~</s>~~</th><th width="90">Lobsterman Multiplier</th><th width="130">Average Damage(Lobsterman)</th><th width="140"~~><s~~>Damage Range(Lobsterman)~~</s>~~</th>		<tr {{StdDescTable_Heading}}><th width="180">Weapon</th><th width="90">Average Damage(normal)</th><th width="110">Damage Range(normal)</th><th width="90">Lobsterman Multiplier</th><th width="130">Average Damage(Lobsterman)</th><th width="140">Damage Range(Lobsterman)</th>
	<tr><td align="left">Dart Gun</td><td>16</td><td>0-32</td><td>20%</td><td>3.2</td><td>0-6.4</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Dart Gun</td><td>16</td><td>8-24</td><td>20%</td><td>3.2</td><td>1.6-4.8</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Jet Harpoon</td><td>32</td><td>0-64</td><td>20%</td><td>6.4</td><td>0-12.8</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Jet Harpoon</td><td>32</td><td>16-48</td><td>20%</td><td>6.4</td><td>3.2-9.6</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">GC-AP</td><td>60</td><td>0-~~120~~</td><td>20%</td><td>12</td><td>0-24</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">GC-AP</td><td>60</td><td>30-90</td><td>20%</td><td>12</td><td>6-18</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">HJ-AP</td><td>40</td><td>0-80</td><td>20%</td><td>8</td><td>0-16</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">HJ-AP</td><td>40</td><td>20-60</td><td>20%</td><td>8</td><td>4-12</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Gauss Pistol</td><td>45</td><td>0-90</td><td>30%</td><td>13.5</td><td>0-27</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Gauss Pistol</td><td>45</td><td>22.5-67.5</td><td>30%</td><td>13.5</td><td>6.75-20.25</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Gauss Rifle</td><td>60</td><td>0-~~120~~</td><td>30%</td><td>18</td><td>0-36</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Gauss Rifle</td><td>60</td><td>30-90</td><td>30%</td><td>18</td><td>9-27</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Heavy Gauss</td><td>75</td><td>0-~~150~~</td><td>30%</td><td>22.5</td><td>0-45</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Heavy Gauss</td><td>75</td><td>37.5-112.5</td><td>30%</td><td>22.5</td><td>11.25-33.75</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Sonic Pistol</td><td>80</td><td>0-~~160~~</td><td>50%</td><td>40</td><td>0-80</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Sonic Pistol</td><td>80</td><td>40-120</td><td>50%</td><td>40</td><td>20-60</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Sonic Rifle</td><td>95</td><td>0-~~190~~</td><td>50%</td><td>47.5</td><td>0-95</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Sonic Rifle</td><td>95</td><td>47.5-142.5</td><td>50%</td><td>47.5</td><td>23.75-71.25</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Sonic Cannon</td><td>130</td><td>0-~~260~~</td><td>50%</td><td>65</td><td>0-~~130~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Sonic Cannon</td><td>130</td><td>65-195</td><td>50%</td><td>65</td><td>32.5-97.5</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">GC-HE</td><td>65</td><td>32.5-97.5</td><td>30%</td><td>19.5</td><td>9.75-29.25</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">GC-HE</td><td>65</td><td>32.5-97.5</td><td>30%</td><td>19.5</td><td>9.75-29.25</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">HJ-HE</td><td>50</td><td>25-75</td><td>30%</td><td>15</td><td>7.5-22.5</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">HJ-HE</td><td>50</td><td>25-75</td><td>30%</td><td>15</td><td>7.5-22.5</td></tr>
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	<tr><td align="left">Large Torp</td><td>90</td><td>45-135</td><td>30%</td><td>27</td><td>18-36</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Large Torp</td><td>90</td><td>45-135</td><td>30%</td><td>27</td><td>18-36</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">DP Launcher</td><td>200</td><td>100-300</td><td>30%</td><td>60</td><td>30-90</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">DP Launcher</td><td>200</td><td>100-300</td><td>30%</td><td>60</td><td>30-90</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Thermal Tazer</td><td>80</td><td>0-~~160~~</td><td>110%</td><td>88</td><td>0-~~176~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Thermal Tazer</td><td>80</td><td>40-120</td><td>110%</td><td>88</td><td>44-132</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Thermal Shok</td><td>120</td><td>0-~~240~~</td><td>110%</td><td>132</td><td>0-~~264~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Thermal Shok</td><td>120</td><td>60-180</td><td>110%</td><td>132</td><td>66-198</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Vibroblade</td><td>80</td><td>0-~~160~~</td><td>200%</td><td>160</td><td>0-~~320~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Vibroblade</td><td>80</td><td>40-120</td><td>200%</td><td>160</td><td>80-240</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Thermic Lance</td><td>110</td><td>0-~~220~~</td><td>200%</td><td>220</td><td>0-~~440~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Thermic Lance</td><td>110</td><td>55-165</td><td>200%</td><td>220</td><td>110-330</td></tr>
	<tr><td align="left">Heavy Lance</td><td>150</td><td>0-~~300~~</td><td>200%</td><td>300</td><td>0-~~600~~</td></tr>		<tr><td align="left">Heavy Lance</td><td>150</td><td>75-225</td><td>200%</td><td>300</td><td>150-450</td></tr>
	</table>		</table>
			(Table updated to reflect that all TFTD weapons have 50%-150% damage range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:56, 19 October 2012 (EDT))

	Assuming 20 Armor for our target, the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, and HJ-AP have no chance to even punch through the armor, whereas the GC-AP, GC-HE, HJ-HE, PD grenade, Mag. Grenade, and Gauss Pistol can only lightly injure them. Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only weapons on this table that even have a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot outside of the Drills and Stun weapons are Sonic Rifle and the Sonic Cannon; even the mighty DPL has difficulty sending these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)		Assuming 20 Armor for our target, the Dart Gun, Jet Harpoon, and HJ-AP have no chance to even punch through the armor, whereas the GC-AP, GC-HE, HJ-HE, PD grenade, Mag. Grenade, and Gauss Pistol can only lightly injure them. Lobstermen have 90-125 health, there aren't very many weapons that can whittle that away in a reasonable time frame. You can also see just how huge of an effect the 200% damage multiplier from the Drills has, which is why they simply murder the creatures. The only weapons on this table that even have a chance of dropping a Lobsterman in one shot outside of the Drills and Stun weapons are Sonic Rifle and the Sonic Cannon; even the mighty DPL has difficulty sending these underwater demons back to where they came from. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 01:19, 27 February 2009 (CST)