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Seb76: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */ - Stun Fest Mod

2008-11-23T13:11:59Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?: - Stun Fest Mod

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	# Experimental melee mode: no safeguards coded, objects pick up whatever crazy value is in the DAT file.		# Experimental melee mode: no safeguards coded, objects pick up whatever crazy value is in the DAT file.
	# Safe melee mode: melee damage (except for Stun Rods) is coded according to a formula. Perhaps something like: Average of (Object Weight, Soldier Strength).		# Safe melee mode: melee damage (except for Stun Rods) is coded according to a formula. Perhaps something like: Average of (Object Weight, Soldier Strength).
			:I updated my mod to enable the stun command for all shooting weapons. I only used the weapon class (pistol, rifle, etc.) to tweak the damage though. [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 07:11, 23 November 2008 (CST)

	It would great to be able to bludgeon a Sectoid into unconsciousness with an empty Heavy Cannon! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 14:27, 18 November 2008 (CST)		It would great to be able to bludgeon a Sectoid into unconsciousness with an empty Heavy Cannon! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 14:27, 18 November 2008 (CST)

Spike: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */

2008-11-18T20:27:44Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?

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	Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)		Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)
	:That would actually require something a bit more elaborate: in the current state, even grenades might have the stun command (I didn't check though). Also it would require some modding of the weapons' stats because the damage dealt in hand-to-hand may not have been set properly for all weapons (or not at all?). I don't want to provide modified DAT files because it may create conflicts between different mods. Maybe I can set a default damage based only on the soldier's strength? Apart from that, I see no problem having it added for the next version. [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 12:54, 18 November 2008 (CST)		:That would actually require something a bit more elaborate: in the current state, even grenades might have the stun command (I didn't check though). Also it would require some modding of the weapons' stats because the damage dealt in hand-to-hand may not have been set properly for all weapons (or not at all?). I don't want to provide modified DAT files because it may create conflicts between different mods. Maybe I can set a default damage based only on the soldier's strength? Apart from that, I see no problem having it added for the next version. [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 12:54, 18 November 2008 (CST)

			Agreed, you don't want to have to mess with DAT files. Reportedly the melee values of many non-melee objects are pretty random, crazy even. How about two different options:

			# Experimental melee mode: no safeguards coded, objects pick up whatever crazy value is in the DAT file.
			# Safe melee mode: melee damage (except for Stun Rods) is coded according to a formula. Perhaps something like: Average of (Object Weight, Soldier Strength).

			It would great to be able to bludgeon a Sectoid into unconsciousness with an empty Heavy Cannon! [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 14:27, 18 November 2008 (CST)

Seb76: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */

2008-11-18T18:54:05Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?

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	Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)		Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)
			:That would actually require something a bit more elaborate: in the current state, even grenades might have the stun command (I didn't check though). Also it would require some modding of the weapons' stats because the damage dealt in hand-to-hand may not have been set properly for all weapons (or not at all?). I don't want to provide modified DAT files because it may create conflicts between different mods. Maybe I can set a default damage based only on the soldier's strength? Apart from that, I see no problem having it added for the next version. [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 12:54, 18 November 2008 (CST)

Spike: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */ loader option?

2008-11-18T18:28:14Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?: loader option?

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	Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)
	:It simply bypasses the check for a stun rod and forces the stun command for all weapons [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 17:27, 17 November 2008 (CST)		:It simply bypasses the check for a stun rod and forces the stun command for all weapons [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 17:27, 17 November 2008 (CST)

			Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)

Seb76: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */

2008-11-17T23:27:01Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?

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	Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)
			:It simply bypasses the check for a stun rod and forces the stun command for all weapons [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 17:27, 17 November 2008 (CST)

Spike: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */

2008-11-17T22:07:21Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?

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	Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)
	:Actually I think it would be even easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		:Actually I think it would be even easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you're in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)

			Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)

Seb76: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */ Not sure it was correct english

2008-11-17T20:11:17Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?: Not sure it was correct english

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	Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)
	:Actually I think it would be ~~a lot more~~ easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		:Actually I think it would be even easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)

Seb76: /* Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations? */

2008-11-17T20:07:35Z

Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?

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	Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)
			:Actually I think it would be a lot more easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)

Spike at 18:47, 17 November 2008

2008-11-17T18:47:33Z

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	Well, I think that I have solved one mystery anyway. While the human weapons are listed in the order "pistol, rifle, heavy," plasma weapons are listed the other way around. This is consistent with the firing order for plasma weapons. - [[User:NinthRank\|NinthRank]] 09:59, 11 November 2007 (PST)		Well, I think that I have solved one mystery anyway. While the human weapons are listed in the order "pistol, rifle, heavy," plasma weapons are listed the other way around. This is consistent with the firing order for plasma weapons. - [[User:NinthRank\|NinthRank]] 09:59, 11 November 2007 (PST)

			== Possible method to create new melee stacking combinations?==

			As I understand it, the problem is that only human items, all of which (except flares) are earlier than the Stun Rod in the item table(s), can be usefully combined with the Stun Rod to create new attacks etc. And also the unique melee properties of the Stun Rod are hard-coded to its usual item table offset.

			So, if Bomb Bloke's editor can re-order these item files, wouldn't it be possible to create new combinations, using alien items, by swapping some of the alien item entries into the early part of the list (and moving the replaced human item to the back of the list)?

			Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)

NinthRank at 17:59, 11 November 2007

2007-11-11T17:59:15Z

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	On the other hand, maybe this can be circumvented by manually tweaking the UnitRef offsets I mentioned before? - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 22:47, 10 November 2007 (PST)		On the other hand, maybe this can be circumvented by manually tweaking the UnitRef offsets I mentioned before? - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 22:47, 10 November 2007 (PST)

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			Well, I think that I have solved one mystery anyway. While the human weapons are listed in the order "pistol, rifle, heavy," plasma weapons are listed the other way around. This is consistent with the firing order for plasma weapons. - [[User:NinthRank\|NinthRank]] 09:59, 11 November 2007 (PST)

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	Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)
	:It simply bypasses the check for a stun rod and forces the stun command for all weapons [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 17:27, 17 November 2008 (CST)		:It simply bypasses the check for a stun rod and forces the stun command for all weapons [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 17:27, 17 November 2008 (CST)

			Cool! Could you add that patch as an (experimental) option to the next version of your loader? Please? :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:28, 18 November 2008 (CST)

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	Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)		Of course this relies on there being no other hard coding (such as is known to exist for MedKits for example). It also relies on BB's editor making consistent changes to all affected files, to ensure integrity, otherwise weird bugs will occur. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:47, 17 November 2008 (CST)
	:Actually I think it would be even easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)		:Actually I think it would be even easier to just patch a bit: at 0x41D9F4, change 0x75 0x63 into 0x90 0x90 and you're in...[[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 14:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)

			Yes that would be much easier. What does that patch do? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:07, 17 November 2008 (CST)