Talk:Impossible Difficulty (EU2012) - Revision history

Parogen: /* Target Audience */

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	I am thinking of cutting a lot of fluff and also include a reference to other pages like [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (also want to edit those pages) so that things are more distilled and therefore relevant. I like the class pages like [[Assault (EU2012)\|Assault]] or [[Heavy (EU2012)\|Heavy]] where it just provides on-topic tips related to the class and their abilities in neat bullet points. I also think [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]] is great, it does not need to be repeated how much panic will rise or that four countries will usually panic on first month, that would eventually be obvious. Or if it's not obvious, it can be clarified in [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]]? The Impossible Difficulty page is not for a beginner, so they shouldn't have to read the trivial statements, but I will try not to remove specific statements (for now) that maybe I might think were obvious but is at least saying something related to a Classic -> Impossible difference in gameplay. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)		I am thinking of cutting a lot of fluff and also include a reference to other pages like [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (also want to edit those pages) so that things are more distilled and therefore relevant. I like the class pages like [[Assault (EU2012)\|Assault]] or [[Heavy (EU2012)\|Heavy]] where it just provides on-topic tips related to the class and their abilities in neat bullet points. I also think [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]] is great, it does not need to be repeated how much panic will rise or that four countries will usually panic on first month, that would eventually be obvious. Or if it's not obvious, it can be clarified in [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]]? The Impossible Difficulty page is not for a beginner, so they shouldn't have to read the trivial statements, but I will try not to remove specific statements (for now) that maybe I might think were obvious but is at least saying something related to a Classic -> Impossible difference in gameplay. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

	:So far, the only thing I can think of that the page should contain is the "two shot hypothesis", the fact that Impossible missions have more aliens than other difficulty modes (2 more than Classic in abductions, almost all ufos have more aliens in total) and the abduction mission panic change compared to Classic. All of which to emphasize differences that an aspiring Impossible player should realize, if they had not. Other tactics/gameplay tips should belong in [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (will revamp) or similar pages.. since any "Impossible tactics" would work for all difficulties regardless. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 13:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)		: So far, the only thing I can think of that the page should contain is the "two shot hypothesis", the fact that Impossible missions have more aliens than other difficulty modes (2 more than Classic in abductions, almost all ufos have more aliens in total) and the abduction mission panic change compared to Classic. All of which to emphasize differences that an aspiring Impossible player should realize, if they had not. Other tactics/gameplay tips should belong in [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (will revamp) or similar pages.. since any "Impossible tactics" would work for all difficulties regardless. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 13:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

			:: Wow, checking the game values, the game modes are named Easy, Normal, '''Hard''', and '''Classic'''. Impossible is true Classic, "Classic" was in fact not the true balanced mode. My theory all along was that probably during game testing they found it's too hard and hence the name change. The whole reason for the canon story, I had always thought before this, was that it was biographical; they found out people could not beat their true Classic.

			:: It all makes sense. On Classic, as long as you have the base understanding of hq panic, you can save all countries without a sweat. As well as my "two shot hypothesis" idea. It made more sense thematically and game design wise to force you to lose one in April, why wouldn't they for an alien invasion... Whole game is rng, of course it is also rng to save all in Impossible. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 00:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Parogen: /* Target Audience */

2025-04-02T13:58:50Z

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	I am thinking of cutting a lot of fluff and also include a reference to other pages like [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (also want to edit those pages) so that things are more distilled and therefore relevant. I like the class pages like [[Assault (EU2012)\|Assault]] or [[Heavy (EU2012)\|Heavy]] where it just provides on-topic tips related to the class and their abilities in neat bullet points. I also think [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]] is great, it does not need to be repeated how much panic will rise or that four countries will usually panic on first month, that would eventually be obvious. Or if it's not obvious, it can be clarified in [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]]? The Impossible Difficulty page is not for a beginner, so they shouldn't have to read the trivial statements, but I will try not to remove specific statements (for now) that maybe I might think were obvious but is at least saying something related to a Classic -> Impossible difference in gameplay. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)		I am thinking of cutting a lot of fluff and also include a reference to other pages like [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (also want to edit those pages) so that things are more distilled and therefore relevant. I like the class pages like [[Assault (EU2012)\|Assault]] or [[Heavy (EU2012)\|Heavy]] where it just provides on-topic tips related to the class and their abilities in neat bullet points. I also think [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]] is great, it does not need to be repeated how much panic will rise or that four countries will usually panic on first month, that would eventually be obvious. Or if it's not obvious, it can be clarified in [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]]? The Impossible Difficulty page is not for a beginner, so they shouldn't have to read the trivial statements, but I will try not to remove specific statements (for now) that maybe I might think were obvious but is at least saying something related to a Classic -> Impossible difference in gameplay. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

			:So far, the only thing I can think of that the page should contain is the "two shot hypothesis", the fact that Impossible missions have more aliens than other difficulty modes (2 more than Classic in abductions, almost all ufos have more aliens in total) and the abduction mission panic change compared to Classic. All of which to emphasize differences that an aspiring Impossible player should realize, if they had not. Other tactics/gameplay tips should belong in [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (will revamp) or similar pages.. since any "Impossible tactics" would work for all difficulties regardless. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 13:58, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Parogen: /* Target Audience */ new section

2025-03-24T15:17:09Z

Target Audience: new section

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	I'm moving the content of this section here, although it should be in a strategy page as I mentioned above after some major editing. I'm going to redo this section making it more general rather than relying on luck for everything to happen. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 22:28, 11 December 2013 (EST)		I'm moving the content of this section here, although it should be in a strategy page as I mentioned above after some major editing. I'm going to redo this section making it more general rather than relying on luck for everything to happen. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 22:28, 11 December 2013 (EST)
	:Just keeping it on my sandbox. Last time I worked in a similar online 'group project', it was translation work, and made the mistake of letting two transcrips exist; I made a direct translation (awkward grammar and wording inlcuded, since intonation loses a lot in translation), and a 'localized' version, told them to only used the localized: idiot used a mix of both because it "looked nice"--- in a language that they admitted they did not fully understand. -_- --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu\|talk]]) 18:03, 4 January 2014 (EST)		:Just keeping it on my sandbox. Last time I worked in a similar online 'group project', it was translation work, and made the mistake of letting two transcrips exist; I made a direct translation (awkward grammar and wording inlcuded, since intonation loses a lot in translation), and a 'localized' version, told them to only used the localized: idiot used a mix of both because it "looked nice"--- in a language that they admitted they did not fully understand. -_- --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu\|talk]]) 18:03, 4 January 2014 (EST)

			== Target Audience ==

			There technically isn't any strategy or tip that wouldn't apply to other difficulties or couldn't be put in one of the other more general pages. So this page does have to narrow itself down to a specific audience and ideally it is the "beat Classic going for Impossible player". The main issue I have with the current content is that it often is just restating [[Alien Stats (EU2012)\|Alien Stats]] differences with a naive thought as to how it definitively matters (like Zombies, yes they have more hp but it practically doesn't affect your decision making much). Similarly, the Know The Map section just lists a bunch of maps, it doesn't actually go into any strategy, nor is there anything Impossible specific you can say about any maps. If there is a page about map traversal/planning, it would be helpful to just defer to that if it needs to be mentioned.

			I am thinking of cutting a lot of fluff and also include a reference to other pages like [[Tactics (EU2012)\|Tactics]] (also want to edit those pages) so that things are more distilled and therefore relevant. I like the class pages like [[Assault (EU2012)\|Assault]] or [[Heavy (EU2012)\|Heavy]] where it just provides on-topic tips related to the class and their abilities in neat bullet points. I also think [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]] is great, it does not need to be repeated how much panic will rise or that four countries will usually panic on first month, that would eventually be obvious. Or if it's not obvious, it can be clarified in [[Difficulty (EU2012)#Impossible\|Difficulty]]? The Impossible Difficulty page is not for a beginner, so they shouldn't have to read the trivial statements, but I will try not to remove specific statements (for now) that maybe I might think were obvious but is at least saying something related to a Classic -> Impossible difference in gameplay. [[User:Parogen\|Parogen]] ([[User talk:Parogen\|talk]]) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Hobbes: Hobbes moved page Talk:Classic vs Impossible (EU2012) to Talk:Impossible Difficulty (EU2012): as previously discussed

2014-02-10T13:47:48Z

Hobbes moved page Talk:Classic vs Impossible (EU2012) to Talk:Impossible Difficulty (EU2012): as previously discussed

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 I'm moving the content of this section here, although it should be in a strategy page as I mentioned above after some major editing. I'm going to redo this section making it more general rather than relying on luck for everything to happen. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 22:28, 11 December 2013 (EST)
+:Just keeping it on my sandbox. Last time I worked in a similar online 'group project', it was translation work, and made the mistake of letting two transcrips exist; I made a direct translation (awkward grammar and wording inlcuded, since intonation loses a lot in translation), and a 'localized' version, told them to only used the localized: idiot used a mix of both because it "looked nice"--- in a language that they admitted they did not fully understand. -_- --[[User:Xuncu|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu|talk]]) 18:03, 4 January 2014 (EST)

Binkyuk: /* Panic Management */

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	::::Next, this page started as a simple comparison between both difficulties but I agree with you that it has grown up to the point where it should be simply a guide to Impossible. But to me the best guides (gaming, travel, etc.) are those that are divided into two sections: a general one, just to get acquainted with the subject and get a general overview of the path ahead; and then a section to go wild with all the small and possibly interesting details that you might find on the way. And in a game that has a lot of replayability, luck and trial and error, a 'step by step' description is risky since chance can simply throw the entire plan out of the window. The fun part is really to have players come up with their own solutions rather than pointing them to do A, B and C, which considering how unforgiving Impossible is, can be completely impossible until players get used to the new tactical reality.		::::Next, this page started as a simple comparison between both difficulties but I agree with you that it has grown up to the point where it should be simply a guide to Impossible. But to me the best guides (gaming, travel, etc.) are those that are divided into two sections: a general one, just to get acquainted with the subject and get a general overview of the path ahead; and then a section to go wild with all the small and possibly interesting details that you might find on the way. And in a game that has a lot of replayability, luck and trial and error, a 'step by step' description is risky since chance can simply throw the entire plan out of the window. The fun part is really to have players come up with their own solutions rather than pointing them to do A, B and C, which considering how unforgiving Impossible is, can be completely impossible until players get used to the new tactical reality.
	::::Finally, there are two (or three) strategies for EU (and EW) that have been pointed out since EU came out: Satellite Rush and Alien Base Rush. Both are designed to survive the initial months regarding panic levels but many times I've found that I've had to switch between both during a game or take delays due to unexpected events. Both strats still apply for Impossible, I've won my first games (on EU and EW) using them. I've also made my own personal twist on my last Impossible EW game, where I tested to see if it was possible to assault the Alien Base on April but it's so luck dependent that right now it's something for experienced players only, not someone starting to play Impossible. To conclude, I think we need two pages for both these strategies (Satellite and Alien Base rushes), since they apply to all difficulty levels, explaining the general idea and then contributors can go wild on the details or their own twist about them. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 07:43, 16 December 2013 (EST)		::::Finally, there are two (or three) strategies for EU (and EW) that have been pointed out since EU came out: Satellite Rush and Alien Base Rush. Both are designed to survive the initial months regarding panic levels but many times I've found that I've had to switch between both during a game or take delays due to unexpected events. Both strats still apply for Impossible, I've won my first games (on EU and EW) using them. I've also made my own personal twist on my last Impossible EW game, where I tested to see if it was possible to assault the Alien Base on April but it's so luck dependent that right now it's something for experienced players only, not someone starting to play Impossible. To conclude, I think we need two pages for both these strategies (Satellite and Alien Base rushes), since they apply to all difficulty levels, explaining the general idea and then contributors can go wild on the details or their own twist about them. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 07:43, 16 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::Well, the naming problem is easily solved with a page move. I think this page could be moved to [[Impossible Guide (EU2012)]] as is and it'd be a perfectly accurate description of the page. I like Hobbes' overview of panic management - it concisely points out the problem (4 countries in red at end of ~~April~~. what do?) and gives 2 possible ways to deal with it, and a quick summary of what you need to get it (money by when, second abduction by when, and both abductions awarding engineers), without going in to too much detail, and I think it fits better in the early section of the page. Xuncu's stuff can be added back in at the end in a section called '''Satellite Rush Details''' (a sub page is probably overkill), with a bit of a tweak so it doesn't restate what's said earlier. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 07:57, 16 December 2013 (EST)		:::::Well, the naming problem is easily solved with a page move. I think this page could be moved to [[Impossible Guide (EU2012)]] as is and it'd be a perfectly accurate description of the page. I like Hobbes' overview of panic management - it concisely points out the problem (4 countries in red at end of March. what do?) and gives 2 possible ways to deal with it, and a quick summary of what you need to get it (money by when, second abduction by when, and both abductions awarding engineers), without going in to too much detail, and I think it fits better in the early section of the page. Xuncu's stuff can be added back in at the end in a section called '''Satellite Rush Details''' (a sub page is probably overkill), with a bit of a tweak so it doesn't restate what's said earlier. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 07:57, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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Binkyuk: /* Panic Management */

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	::::First, let's all cool down about this. I've been told before that I pay a lot of attention to detail (that's just the obsessive-compulsive me trying to get in control) and I understand it can be annoying to have someone always nagging but editing (as opposed to simply writing) is also about checking facts, in order to improve the work of others.		::::First, let's all cool down about this. I've been told before that I pay a lot of attention to detail (that's just the obsessive-compulsive me trying to get in control) and I understand it can be annoying to have someone always nagging but editing (as opposed to simply writing) is also about checking facts, in order to improve the work of others.
	::::Next, this page started as a simple comparison between both difficulties but I agree with you that it has grown up to the point where it should be simply a guide to Impossible. But to me the best guides (gaming, travel, etc.) are those that are divided into two sections: a general one, just to get acquainted with the subject and get a general overview of the path ahead; and then a section to go wild with all the small and possibly interesting details that you might find on the way. And in a game that has a lot of replayability, luck and trial and error, a 'step by step' description is risky since chance can simply throw the entire plan out of the window. The fun part is really to have players come up with their own solutions rather than pointing them to do A, B and C, which considering how unforgiving Impossible is, can be completely impossible until players get used to the new tactical reality.		::::Next, this page started as a simple comparison between both difficulties but I agree with you that it has grown up to the point where it should be simply a guide to Impossible. But to me the best guides (gaming, travel, etc.) are those that are divided into two sections: a general one, just to get acquainted with the subject and get a general overview of the path ahead; and then a section to go wild with all the small and possibly interesting details that you might find on the way. And in a game that has a lot of replayability, luck and trial and error, a 'step by step' description is risky since chance can simply throw the entire plan out of the window. The fun part is really to have players come up with their own solutions rather than pointing them to do A, B and C, which considering how unforgiving Impossible is, can be completely impossible until players get used to the new tactical reality.
	::::Finally, there are two (or three) strategies for EU (and EW) that have been pointed out since EU came out: Satellite Rush and Alien Base Rush. Both are designed to survive the initial months regarding panic levels but many times I've found that I've had to switch between both during a game or take delays due to unexpected events. Both strats still apply for Impossible, I've won my first games (on EU and EW) using them. I've also made my own personal twist on my last Impossible EW game, where I tested to see if it was possible to assault the Alien Base on April but it's so luck dependent that right now it's something for experienced players only, not someone starting to play Impossible. To conclude, I think we need two pages for both these strategies (Satellite and Alien Base rushes), since they apply to all difficulty levels, explaining the general idea and then contributors can go wild on the details or their own twist about them. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 07:43, 16 December 2013 (EST)		::::Finally, there are two (or three) strategies for EU (and EW) that have been pointed out since EU came out: Satellite Rush and Alien Base Rush. Both are designed to survive the initial months regarding panic levels but many times I've found that I've had to switch between both during a game or take delays due to unexpected events. Both strats still apply for Impossible, I've won my first games (on EU and EW) using them. I've also made my own personal twist on my last Impossible EW game, where I tested to see if it was possible to assault the Alien Base on April but it's so luck dependent that right now it's something for experienced players only, not someone starting to play Impossible. To conclude, I think we need two pages for both these strategies (Satellite and Alien Base rushes), since they apply to all difficulty levels, explaining the general idea and then contributors can go wild on the details or their own twist about them. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 07:43, 16 December 2013 (EST)
			:::::Well, the naming problem is easily solved with a page move. I think this page could be moved to [[Impossible Guide (EU2012)]] as is and it'd be a perfectly accurate description of the page. I like Hobbes' overview of panic management - it concisely points out the problem (4 countries in red at end of April. what do?) and gives 2 possible ways to deal with it, and a quick summary of what you need to get it (money by when, second abduction by when, and both abductions awarding engineers), without going in to too much detail, and I think it fits better in the early section of the page. Xuncu's stuff can be added back in at the end in a section called '''Satellite Rush Details''' (a sub page is probably overkill), with a bit of a tweak so it doesn't restate what's said earlier. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 07:57, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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	::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)		::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)
	:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). And I repeat: luck-based, sure, and yet: ''I still did it on my first try''. Option B was this 'supreme "luck"' one, which I wasn't even origionally going to write. Option A would have been the less "luck-reliant"/realistic one as it was what I origionally was only going to write before---- as you would say; I was saved by a winning lottery ticked jamming my would-be assasin's gun and then I fell out of a plane, caught a flock of geese, and used them to land safely into an orgy with all the hot pornstars ever. At most, all B really needs is to be pointed out that it's for EW, since the lower Engineers/Credit requirements makes panic management easier ''in general'' in EW than in EU.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)		:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). And I repeat: luck-based, sure, and yet: ''I still did it on my first try''. Option B was this 'supreme "luck"' one, which I wasn't even origionally going to write. Option A would have been the less "luck-reliant"/realistic one as it was what I origionally was only going to write before---- as you would say; I was saved by a winning lottery ticked jamming my would-be assasin's gun and then I fell out of a plane, caught a flock of geese, and used them to land safely into an orgy with all the hot pornstars ever. At most, all B really needs is to be pointed out that it's for EW, since the lower Engineers/Credit requirements makes panic management easier ''in general'' in EW than in EU.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)
			::::First, let's all cool down about this. I've been told before that I pay a lot of attention to detail (that's just the obsessive-compulsive me trying to get in control) and I understand it can be annoying to have someone always nagging but editing (as opposed to simply writing) is also about checking facts, in order to improve the work of others.
			::::Next, this page started as a simple comparison between both difficulties but I agree with you that it has grown up to the point where it should be simply a guide to Impossible. But to me the best guides (gaming, travel, etc.) are those that are divided into two sections: a general one, just to get acquainted with the subject and get a general overview of the path ahead; and then a section to go wild with all the small and possibly interesting details that you might find on the way. And in a game that has a lot of replayability, luck and trial and error, a 'step by step' description is risky since chance can simply throw the entire plan out of the window. The fun part is really to have players come up with their own solutions rather than pointing them to do A, B and C, which considering how unforgiving Impossible is, can be completely impossible until players get used to the new tactical reality.
			::::Finally, there are two (or three) strategies for EU (and EW) that have been pointed out since EU came out: Satellite Rush and Alien Base Rush. Both are designed to survive the initial months regarding panic levels but many times I've found that I've had to switch between both during a game or take delays due to unexpected events. Both strats still apply for Impossible, I've won my first games (on EU and EW) using them. I've also made my own personal twist on my last Impossible EW game, where I tested to see if it was possible to assault the Alien Base on April but it's so luck dependent that right now it's something for experienced players only, not someone starting to play Impossible. To conclude, I think we need two pages for both these strategies (Satellite and Alien Base rushes), since they apply to all difficulty levels, explaining the general idea and then contributors can go wild on the details or their own twist about them. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 07:43, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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Xuncu: /* Panic Management */

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	:This should be instead in the [[Survival Guide (EU2012)]] or a general [[Game Strategies (EU2012)\|Strategies]] page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 6 December 2013 (EST)		:This should be instead in the [[Survival Guide (EU2012)]] or a general [[Game Strategies (EU2012)\|Strategies]] page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 6 December 2013 (EST)
	::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)		::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)
	:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). And I repeat: luck-based, sure, and yet: ''I still did it on my first try''. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)		:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). And I repeat: luck-based, sure, and yet: ''I still did it on my first try''. Option B was this 'supreme "luck"' one, which I wasn't even origionally going to write. Option A would have been the less "luck-reliant"/realistic one as it was what I origionally was only going to write before---- as you would say; I was saved by a winning lottery ticked jamming my would-be assasin's gun and then I fell out of a plane, caught a flock of geese, and used them to land safely into an orgy with all the hot pornstars ever. At most, all B really needs is to be pointed out that it's for EW, since the lower Engineers/Credit requirements makes panic management easier ''in general'' in EW than in EU.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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	:This should be instead in the [[Survival Guide (EU2012)]] or a general [[Game Strategies (EU2012)\|Strategies]] page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 6 December 2013 (EST)		:This should be instead in the [[Survival Guide (EU2012)]] or a general [[Game Strategies (EU2012)\|Strategies]] page. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:25, 6 December 2013 (EST)
	::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)		::I agree that this appears to be a Satellite Rush strat tailored for Impossible, which would be ok, if misnamed and not really in the right place. But IMO if published as a strat or build order, it should work with perfect play, but not require luck on the geoscape. Requirements such as "you must never use explosives and capture both a sectoid and thin man in the first month while wearing your underwear on your head" are ok, since they're technically possible in any play through. Requirements such as "Use New Economy and hope your starting country gives 60% more funding than normal and then hope your second abduction happens before the 16th and awards more engineers than normal with High Stakes" aren't really ok in a strat. [[User:Binkyuk\|Binkyuk]] 11:29, 6 December 2013 (EST)
	:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)		:::Don't be so pedantic. In actuallity, perhaps "Classic vs Impossible" itself may be the wrong name? It's technically already addressed in [[Difficulty_(EU2012)\|Difficulty]], so comparing them again is kind of redundant, even if it's extrapolated upon in this page. In comparison, the [http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown#Guides other XCOM Wikia has two straight-up "Guides for impossible"], one for combat and one for strategy (also with redundancies and overlaps). I suggest that this page should, in fact, be a singular "Impossible Guide" (and as such, the plan I wrote (and the other if I ever get around to it) would be quite in place). And I repeat: luck-based, sure, and yet: ''I still did it on my first try''. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 05:51, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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