Talk:Heavy Weapons Platforms - Revision history

Amitakartok: /* Tank Morale */

2012-09-23T18:54:25Z

Tank Morale

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	Yes indeed, HWP's can panic or go berserk. See [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=333&view=findpost&p=50879 this topic]. A tank's morale is unaffected by kills made by your own men. However, if a tank is responsible for the killing of a friendly it will lose morale and eventually panic or go berserk. So we can make the assumption that 110 Bravery does not make a unit completely immune to morale loss when that unit is responsible for the killing. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 08:34, 2 March 2007 (PST)		Yes indeed, HWP's can panic or go berserk. See [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=333&view=findpost&p=50879 this topic]. A tank's morale is unaffected by kills made by your own men. However, if a tank is responsible for the killing of a friendly it will lose morale and eventually panic or go berserk. So we can make the assumption that 110 Bravery does not make a unit completely immune to morale loss when that unit is responsible for the killing. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 08:34, 2 March 2007 (PST)
	:Same goes for cyberdiscs, they'll lose morale if they hit one of their friends. If they goes berserk the game will crash, fortunately it does not happen a lot in real games... [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 13:26, 31 October 2008 (CDT)		:Same goes for cyberdiscs, they'll lose morale if they hit one of their friends. If they goes berserk the game will crash, fortunately it does not happen a lot in real games... [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 13:26, 31 October 2008 (CDT)
	:I repeatedly observed a situation in the CE version where a single alien grenade killed or stunned six or seven of my men at once, followed by a message that my HWP had panicked (indeed, it had zero TUs and around 15 morale immediately afterwards). While I did use UFO Extender, it has no such modification as far as I'm aware of. Are you guys sure HWPs only take morale loss from friendly fire?--[[User:Amitakartok\|amitakartok]] 13:41, 23 September 2012 (EDT)		:I repeatedly observed a situation in the CE version where a single alien grenade killed or stunned six or seven of my men at once, followed by a message that my HWP had panicked (indeed, it had zero TUs and around 15 morale immediately afterwards). One time, I even saw it fleeing. While I did use UFO Extender, it has no such modification as far as I'm aware of. Are you guys sure HWPs only take morale loss from friendly fire?--[[User:Amitakartok\|amitakartok]] 13:41, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

	== Wanted: Tank Screenshots ==		== Wanted: Tank Screenshots ==

Amitakartok: /* Tank Morale */

2012-09-23T17:41:55Z

Tank Morale

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	Yes indeed, HWP's can panic or go berserk. See [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=333&view=findpost&p=50879 this topic]. A tank's morale is unaffected by kills made by your own men. However, if a tank is responsible for the killing of a friendly it will lose morale and eventually panic or go berserk. So we can make the assumption that 110 Bravery does not make a unit completely immune to morale loss when that unit is responsible for the killing. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 08:34, 2 March 2007 (PST)		Yes indeed, HWP's can panic or go berserk. See [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=333&view=findpost&p=50879 this topic]. A tank's morale is unaffected by kills made by your own men. However, if a tank is responsible for the killing of a friendly it will lose morale and eventually panic or go berserk. So we can make the assumption that 110 Bravery does not make a unit completely immune to morale loss when that unit is responsible for the killing. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 08:34, 2 March 2007 (PST)
	:Same goes for cyberdiscs, they'll lose morale if they hit one of their friends. If they goes berserk the game will crash, fortunately it does not happen a lot in real games... [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 13:26, 31 October 2008 (CDT)		:Same goes for cyberdiscs, they'll lose morale if they hit one of their friends. If they goes berserk the game will crash, fortunately it does not happen a lot in real games... [[User:Seb76\|Seb76]] 13:26, 31 October 2008 (CDT)
			:I repeatedly observed a situation in the CE version where a single alien grenade killed or stunned six or seven of my men at once, followed by a message that my HWP had panicked (indeed, it had zero TUs and around 15 morale immediately afterwards). While I did use UFO Extender, it has no such modification as far as I'm aware of. Are you guys sure HWPs only take morale loss from friendly fire?--[[User:Amitakartok\|amitakartok]] 13:41, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

	== Wanted: Tank Screenshots ==		== Wanted: Tank Screenshots ==

Econael: /* Tank cost compared to soldiers */ added gear cost reminder

2012-01-25T01:47:55Z

Tank cost compared to soldiers: added gear cost reminder

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	== Tank cost compared to soldiers ==		== Tank cost compared to soldiers ==

	While it is true that a tank costs more than ten soldiers, let's not forget that you need to hire and fire ten soldiers on average to get only one which has bravery and reactions >50 and is thus really viable. --[[User:Econael\|Econael]] 20:45, 24 January 2012 (EST)		While it is true that a tank costs more than ten soldiers, let's not forget that you need to hire and fire ten soldiers on average to get only one which has bravery and reactions >50 and is thus really viable. Also let's not forget that the standard soldier's kit (power/flying armor, medkit, alien grenade, proxy grenade, smoke grenade, heavy plasma) isn't free either --[[User:Econael\|Econael]] 20:47, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Econael: Tank cost compared to soldiers

2012-01-25T01:45:38Z

Tank cost compared to soldiers

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	As far as I know, nope, there's no cure for this problem. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 20:48, 6 May 2011 (EDT)		As far as I know, nope, there's no cure for this problem. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 20:48, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

			== Tank cost compared to soldiers ==

			While it is true that a tank costs more than ten soldiers, let's not forget that you need to hire and fire ten soldiers on average to get only one which has bravery and reactions >50 and is thus really viable. --[[User:Econael\|Econael]] 20:45, 24 January 2012 (EST)

Jasonred: /* Cannot advance a tank by a single tile? */

2011-05-07T00:48:55Z

Cannot advance a tank by a single tile?

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	I cannot seem to advance a tank by less than two tiles when heading south, southeast, or east. When I attempt to move, the cursor is on the north-west of the four tiles, and if I'm trying to move south or east, that tile is occupied by the tank and I merely re-select it. Is there a work-around for this?		I cannot seem to advance a tank by less than two tiles when heading south, southeast, or east. When I attempt to move, the cursor is on the north-west of the four tiles, and if I'm trying to move south or east, that tile is occupied by the tank and I merely re-select it. Is there a work-around for this?
	[[User:Monkeyfetus\|Monkeyfetus]] 17:49, 6 May 2011 (EDT)		[[User:Monkeyfetus\|Monkeyfetus]] 17:49, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

			As far as I know, nope, there's no cure for this problem. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 20:48, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Monkeyfetus: /* Cannot advance a tank by a single tile? */

2011-05-06T21:49:11Z

Cannot advance a tank by a single tile?

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	I cannot seem to advance a tank by less than two tiles when heading south, southeast, or east. When I attempt to move, the cursor is on the north-west of the four tiles, and if I'm trying to move south or east, that tile is occupied by the tank and I merely re-select it. Is there a work-around for this?		I cannot seem to advance a tank by less than two tiles when heading south, southeast, or east. When I attempt to move, the cursor is on the north-west of the four tiles, and if I'm trying to move south or east, that tile is occupied by the tank and I merely re-select it. Is there a work-around for this?
			[[User:Monkeyfetus\|Monkeyfetus]] 17:49, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Monkeyfetus: /* Cannot advance a tank by a single tile? */ new section

2011-05-06T21:48:59Z

Cannot advance a tank by a single tile?: new section

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	:: "So what about needing at least one soldier in a base full of AI tanks or else it is lost when attacked?" I hear someone asking. Um, to switch them on? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 04:53, 4 May 2011 (EDT)		:: "So what about needing at least one soldier in a base full of AI tanks or else it is lost when attacked?" I hear someone asking. Um, to switch them on? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 04:53, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

			== Cannot advance a tank by a single tile? ==

			I cannot seem to advance a tank by less than two tiles when heading south, southeast, or east. When I attempt to move, the cursor is on the north-west of the four tiles, and if I'm trying to move south or east, that tile is occupied by the tank and I merely re-select it. Is there a work-around for this?

NKF: /* Opinion: What OS do the HWPs use? */

2011-05-04T08:53:47Z

Opinion: What OS do the HWPs use?

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	: OK that sounds convincing to me, pretty much on all points. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 04:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)		: OK that sounds convincing to me, pretty much on all points. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 04:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

			:: I'm actually more inclined to believe an AI myself as well. Or think of it this way: part 'remote' control (i.e. voice control), part autonomous. You can imagine them relaying information back to soldiers such as its status, what it can see (perhaps even a video link) and then take on simple instructions from nearby soldiers (Go here, go there, stop, shoot at that target, etc). When there are no soldiers nearby for it to receive orders from, it acts by itself and makes its own judgment with the help of a preprogrammed knowledge base of combat information and experience from past battles. (i.e. the players' own accumulated experience and commanding ability).

			:: "So what about needing at least one soldier in a base full of AI tanks or else it is lost when attacked?" I hear someone asking. Um, to switch them on? -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 04:53, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Spike: /* Opinion: What OS do the HWPs use? */ Agree, autonomous AI for HWPs

2011-05-04T08:06:37Z

Opinion: What OS do the HWPs use?: Agree, autonomous AI for HWPs

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	[[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 16:56, 3 May 2011 (EDT)		[[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 16:56, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

			: OK that sounds convincing to me, pretty much on all points. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 04:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Jasonred: HWPs rely on AI, not remote operators?

2011-05-03T20:56:23Z

HWPs rely on AI, not remote operators?

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	Thanks, that looks perfect for the individual tanks and the chassis comparison. I'll separate them and double or treble the size. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 05:06, 22 March 2009 (EDT)		Thanks, that looks perfect for the individual tanks and the chassis comparison. I'll separate them and double or treble the size. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 05:06, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
	: And to update, Pete's done some magic and our thumbnail generator should be up and running now. Least it looks like it in the previews. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 07:05, 22 March 2009 (EDT)		: And to update, Pete's done some magic and our thumbnail generator should be up and running now. Least it looks like it in the previews. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 07:05, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

			== Opinion: What OS do the HWPs use? ==

			Public opinion up to now seems to be that they are remotely controlled by an operator back in the base. However, I have formed the opinion that the tanks run on sophisticated AI! What proof do I offer? Well, for one, the tank is almost immune to Psi and Morale. Somewhat like a robot would be. The morale loss from friendly fire would be linked to the Asimov's First Law of Robotics being broken. Also, the tank performs equally well above and below ground, or as far as Mars or miles beneath the ocean, making it less likely that it is depending on instructions being transmitted from a distant location. The tank's response time is slow, but not as slow as the input-transmit to Earth-operator reacts-transmit to Mars-output loop would be.
			110 Bravery seems more explainable by an AI rather than the fact that a remote operator would feel safe. Same for the low 20 reactions.
			Also, the tanks come STANDARD. There is no differentiation that would indicate more skilled or less skilled operators are at work.

			[[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 16:56, 3 May 2011 (EDT)