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Miteusz: An excellent choice for your Covert Agent, as they cannout equip any health-boosting equipment

2023-12-26T19:05:05Z

An excellent choice for your Covert Agent, as they cannout equip any health-boosting equipment

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	::It only adds 2 movement points, which corresponds to roughly 1 extra movement tile (each straight tile costs about 1.625 movement points). It doesn't list the radius though, so I suspect the bonus is applied to all soldiers on sight. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 08:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)		::It only adds 2 movement points, which corresponds to roughly 1 extra movement tile (each straight tile costs about 1.625 movement points). It doesn't list the radius though, so I suspect the bonus is applied to all soldiers on sight. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 08:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
	::Thanks! I've also done some research on the duration on my own. It appears that the duration is two turns. I'm not a 100% sure about this, but since the effect makes soldiers without helmets on breathe orange smoke, I've taken a good look at this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQiCURmrEEU] where the player activates Combat Rush on all his soldiers (since my good PC is down for repairs), and I'm pretty sure that the visual effect wears off after two player turns (including the one where he activates it) and two EXALT turns. --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 20:06, 5 October 2014 (EDT)		::Thanks! I've also done some research on the duration on my own. It appears that the duration is two turns. I'm not a 100% sure about this, but since the effect makes soldiers without helmets on breathe orange smoke, I've taken a good look at this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQiCURmrEEU] where the player activates Combat Rush on all his soldiers (since my good PC is down for repairs), and I'm pretty sure that the visual effect wears off after two player turns (including the one where he activates it) and two EXALT turns. --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 20:06, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

			==Cover Agent==
			There is the following line about Mimetic Skin gene mod: "An excellent choice for your Covert Agent, as they cannout equip any health-boosting equipment". I think it is not true that Covert Operatives cannout equip any health-boosting equipment. If I recall correctly, they can wear Nano-Fiber Vest or Chitin Plating, for example.

Tiggurix at 00:06, 6 October 2014

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	::const GENEMOD_ADRENAL_MOBILITY = 2;		::const GENEMOD_ADRENAL_MOBILITY = 2;
	::It only adds 2 movement points, which corresponds to roughly 1 extra movement tile (each straight tile costs about 1.625 movement points). It doesn't list the radius though, so I suspect the bonus is applied to all soldiers on sight. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 08:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)		::It only adds 2 movement points, which corresponds to roughly 1 extra movement tile (each straight tile costs about 1.625 movement points). It doesn't list the radius though, so I suspect the bonus is applied to all soldiers on sight. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 08:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
			::Thanks! I've also done some research on the duration on my own. It appears that the duration is two turns. I'm not a 100% sure about this, but since the effect makes soldiers without helmets on breathe orange smoke, I've taken a good look at this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQiCURmrEEU] where the player activates Combat Rush on all his soldiers (since my good PC is down for repairs), and I'm pretty sure that the visual effect wears off after two player turns (including the one where he activates it) and two EXALT turns. --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 20:06, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

Hobbes at 12:17, 5 October 2014

2014-10-05T12:17:36Z

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	:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)		:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)
	:Do anyone know what the exact duration of Combat Rush is? Furthermore, has anyone deduced exactly how the movement bonus works? --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 03:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)		:Do anyone know what the exact duration of Combat Rush is? Furthermore, has anyone deduced exactly how the movement bonus works? --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 03:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)
			::I was under the impression that it only lasts for 1 turn. XGTacticalGameCoreNativeBase at XComGame.upk lists the bonuses as the following:
			::const GENEMOD_ADRENAL_AIM = 10;
			::const GENEMOD_ADRENAL_CRIT = 5;
			::const GENEMOD_ADRENAL_MOBILITY = 2;
			::It only adds 2 movement points, which corresponds to roughly 1 extra movement tile (each straight tile costs about 1.625 movement points). It doesn't list the radius though, so I suspect the bonus is applied to all soldiers on sight. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 08:17, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

Tiggurix: /* Combat Rush */

2014-10-05T07:36:50Z

Combat Rush

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	:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)		:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)
	:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)		:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)
			:Do anyone know what the exact duration of Combat Rush is? Furthermore, has anyone deduced exactly how the movement bonus works? --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 03:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

DracoGriffin: /* Combat Rush */

2013-12-12T20:40:03Z

Combat Rush

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	Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)		Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)
	:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)		:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)
			:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)

DracoGriffin: /* Combat Rush */

2013-12-09T02:38:10Z

Combat Rush

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	Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)		Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)
			:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Arrow Quivershaft at 02:07, 9 December 2013

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	Just a minor note: the healing effect of Adaptive Bone Marrow triggers at the END of the XCOM turn. So care should still be taken with soldiers who are badly wounded during the XCOM turn. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 17:55, 6 December 2013 (EST)		Just a minor note: the healing effect of Adaptive Bone Marrow triggers at the END of the XCOM turn. So care should still be taken with soldiers who are badly wounded during the XCOM turn. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 17:55, 6 December 2013 (EST)

			==Combat Rush==

			Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Arrow Quivershaft at 23:11, 6 December 2013

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	: Also, I haven't noticed any "enemies with special abilities" target concealed soldiers, has anyone else? (See Mimetic Skin description)--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 14:25, 24 November 2013 (EST)		: Also, I haven't noticed any "enemies with special abilities" target concealed soldiers, has anyone else? (See Mimetic Skin description)--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 14:25, 24 November 2013 (EST)
	::Perhaps other new aliens were planned but never made it into the game and so no one thought to change it. Or it is preluding something...--[[User:Ditto51\|Ditto51]] 10:43, 2 December 2013 (EST)		::Perhaps other new aliens were planned but never made it into the game and so no one thought to change it. Or it is preluding something...--[[User:Ditto51\|Ditto51]] 10:43, 2 December 2013 (EST)
			:::Alternative: the wording could be poor. Perhaps the intent is that the aliens won't DIRECTLY target that particular soldier...however, if that soldier happens to be in the radius of that grenade the Muton hurled over there, well, sucks to be you. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 18:11, 6 December 2013 (EST)

	== Separate Pages ==		== Separate Pages ==

Arrow Quivershaft at 22:55, 6 December 2013

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	Had an Ethereal fail to Mind Control one of my Psi Support gene modded with Neural Feedback, whom had 170 boosted Will. Feedback did 17 damage. Perhaps damage is minimum 7 damage but otherwise damage is Will/10 (170/10=17)?		Had an Ethereal fail to Mind Control one of my Psi Support gene modded with Neural Feedback, whom had 170 boosted Will. Feedback did 17 damage. Perhaps damage is minimum 7 damage but otherwise damage is Will/10 (170/10=17)?
	:Oh, yeh, I did forget to mention that there was a 'will save roll' involved for the attacking alien-- so I may be wrong about that "base 7" thing, too, but I dunno how to check coding. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:09, 25 November 2013 (EST)		:Oh, yeh, I did forget to mention that there was a 'will save roll' involved for the attacking alien-- so I may be wrong about that "base 7" thing, too, but I dunno how to check coding. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:09, 25 November 2013 (EST)

			==Adaptive Bone Marrow==

			Just a minor note: the healing effect of Adaptive Bone Marrow triggers at the END of the XCOM turn. So care should still be taken with soldiers who are badly wounded during the XCOM turn. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 17:55, 6 December 2013 (EST)

DracoGriffin: /* Separate Pages */

2013-12-02T18:20:06Z

Separate Pages

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	::How about like we've done the Class pages? Straight up in-game info at the top, comparisons of the mutally exclusive options in the middle, and comprehensive summary at the bottom? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 08:24, 25 November 2013 (EST)		::How about like we've done the Class pages? Straight up in-game info at the top, comparisons of the mutally exclusive options in the middle, and comprehensive summary at the bottom? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 08:24, 25 November 2013 (EST)
	:::I've kept a general table at the EW page but on the Gene Mods page I've given each body part (Brain, etc) a specific page section and within a subsection for each Gene Mod. I've also removed the comments from the tables. This allows easier linking and that should also allow more comments and comparisons. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:09, 2 December 2013 (EST)		:::I've kept a general table at the EW page but on the Gene Mods page I've given each body part (Brain, etc) a specific page section and within a subsection for each Gene Mod. I've also removed the comments from the tables. This allows easier linking and that should also allow more comments and comparisons. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 10:09, 2 December 2013 (EST)
			::::Looks a lot better and without having to create clutter with new pages. Nice job!--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 13:20, 2 December 2013 (EST)

	== Neural Feedback Damage ==		== Neural Feedback Damage ==

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	:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)		:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)
	:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)		:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)
			:Do anyone know what the exact duration of Combat Rush is? Furthermore, has anyone deduced exactly how the movement bonus works? --[[User:Tiggurix\|Tiggurix]] ([[User talk:Tiggurix\|talk]]) 03:36, 5 October 2014 (EDT)

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	Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)		Well, then my game and yours apparently aren't on the same page, since I had someone on the other end of a panel van NOT get buffed when my heavy killed someone and triggered off Combat Rush. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 21:07, 8 December 2013 (EST)
	:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)		:Did you check the unit's Info Pane afterwards? I've only noticed a range issue. There could be terrain issues where some things block and others do, I'll try to keep a closer look at covers and LoS.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 21:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)
			:Looks like this is true, after all. With some testing, soldiers that are close to killing soldier but have at least two "layers" of hard cover between (vehicles are good examples, or cargo containers is what I used on military terror/EXALT map) will not receive the bonus. That's why I noticed before trees and walls weren't blocking the bonus, even without line of sight. Further testing should be done, as I believe destructible terrain and non-destructible play parts as well, but I'll put the comment back in.--[[User:DracoGriffin\|DracoGriffin]] 15:40, 12 December 2013 (EST)