Talk:External UFO Windows - Revision history

Zombie: Mention about "UFO Windows". Also made some images to thumbs and added some clearing breaks.

2008-11-08T05:40:25Z

Mention about "UFO Windows". Also made some images to thumbs and added some clearing breaks.

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	: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

	[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)		[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|thumb\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)<br clear="all">

	:[[Image:Windowbug.png\|left]] Does this shed any light on the matter? It's a 2D representation of the actual 3D models that make up the terrain. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 03:12, 21 October 2007 (PDT)		:[[Image:Windowbug.png\|thumb\|left]] Does this shed any light on the matter? It's a 2D representation of the actual 3D models that make up the terrain. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 03:12, 21 October 2007 (PDT)<br clear="all">

			Just to point out, the reason why you can see into a UFO in certain situations is because the game is using the wrong LineOfFire (LOF) templates. Specifically, the floor and ceiling tiles need to use a longer LOFT so that it butts up to the wall properly. Bomb Bloke and myself [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=417&view=findpost&p=83654 fixed] the Lightning using longer templates for the floor and tests reveal that there are no LOFT issues with this craft anymore. This is just a bug and I don't really think it deserves it's own page. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 23:40, 7 November 2008 (CST)

Bomb Bloke at 10:12, 21 October 2007

2007-10-21T10:12:45Z

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	[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)		[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

			:[[Image:Windowbug.png\|left]] Does this shed any light on the matter? It's a 2D representation of the actual 3D models that make up the terrain. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 03:12, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

Arrow Quivershaft: Piccie! Sorry about the JPEG; I figured it out from old notes and uploaded before NKF posted.

2007-10-20T22:49:52Z

Piccie! Sorry about the JPEG; I figured it out from old notes and uploaded before NKF posted.

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	: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

			[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

NKF: Screenshots

2007-10-20T22:46:31Z

Screenshots

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	:::All the pictures I try that with come out horribly mangled; colors distorted, a good portion of the picture rendered in black, etc. I thought there was a button for in-game screencaps from the X-COM program itself. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:37, 20 October 2007 (PDT)		:::All the pictures I try that with come out horribly mangled; colors distorted, a good portion of the picture rendered in black, etc. I thought there was a button for in-game screencaps from the X-COM program itself. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:37, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

			: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

Arrow Quivershaft: Response to MTR

2007-10-20T22:37:00Z

Response to MTR

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	: You did what I said? Flip out to windows and then Printscreen. - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]		: You did what I said? Flip out to windows and then Printscreen. - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

			:::All the pictures I try that with come out horribly mangled; colors distorted, a good portion of the picture rendered in black, etc. I thought there was a button for in-game screencaps from the X-COM program itself. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:37, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

MikeTheRed at 22:33, 20 October 2007

2007-10-20T22:33:45Z

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	:::How do you take a screenshot during X-COM? (My PrintScreen attempts come out horribly mangled.) I just found a rather striking example of the window see-through bug while setting up a UFO Exit Ambush on an Ethereal Supply Ship and think it'd be useful to the article. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:19, 20 October 2007 (PDT)		:::How do you take a screenshot during X-COM? (My PrintScreen attempts come out horribly mangled.) I just found a rather striking example of the window see-through bug while setting up a UFO Exit Ambush on an Ethereal Supply Ship and think it'd be useful to the article. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:19, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

			: You did what I said? Flip out to windows and then Printscreen. - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

Arrow Quivershaft: Signing.

2007-10-20T22:19:31Z

Signing.

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	:: Notable exceptions include the Large Scout UFO. The problems with Frozen Alien Syndrome there may very well have to do with these phantom lines of sight not existing for that UFO. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 22:39, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)		:: Notable exceptions include the Large Scout UFO. The problems with Frozen Alien Syndrome there may very well have to do with these phantom lines of sight not existing for that UFO. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 22:39, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

	:::How do you take a screenshot during X-COM? (My PrintScreen attempts come out horribly mangled.) I just found a rather striking example of the window see-through bug while setting up a UFO Exit Ambush on an Ethereal Supply Ship and think it'd be useful to the article.		:::How do you take a screenshot during X-COM? (My PrintScreen attempts come out horribly mangled.) I just found a rather striking example of the window see-through bug while setting up a UFO Exit Ambush on an Ethereal Supply Ship and think it'd be useful to the article. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:19, 20 October 2007 (PDT)

Arrow Quivershaft: I think I have a good screenshot of this, but I need to get it out of the game; help requested!

2007-10-20T22:19:06Z

I think I have a good screenshot of this, but I need to get it out of the game; help requested!

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	:: Notable exceptions include the Large Scout UFO. The problems with Frozen Alien Syndrome there may very well have to do with these phantom lines of sight not existing for that UFO. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 22:39, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)		:: Notable exceptions include the Large Scout UFO. The problems with Frozen Alien Syndrome there may very well have to do with these phantom lines of sight not existing for that UFO. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 22:39, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

			:::How do you take a screenshot during X-COM? (My PrintScreen attempts come out horribly mangled.) I just found a rather striking example of the window see-through bug while setting up a UFO Exit Ambush on an Ethereal Supply Ship and think it'd be useful to the article.

Zaimoni at 03:31, 18 October 2007

2007-10-18T03:31:55Z

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	:Cool. It's interesting that you've been able to relate your findings to voxels as well as shot penetration! - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 19:52, 17 October 2007 (PDT)		:Cool. It's interesting that you've been able to relate your findings to voxels as well as shot penetration! - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 19:52, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

			:: Well, the LOFTEMPS.DAT file pretty much makes tying in voxelspace essential. Analyzing this case will be generally useful, because there's a lot of this general type (diagonal line of sight through two empty squares threading two blocking squares).

			:: Notable exceptions include the Large Scout UFO. The problems with Frozen Alien Syndrome there may very well have to do with these phantom lines of sight not existing for that UFO. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 22:39, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

MikeTheRed: /* Medium Scout */

2007-10-18T02:52:07Z

Medium Scout

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	:: I thought about that...twenty-four hours or so after I overwrote the affected savegame. I'm using CE, which means I have these *.tga screenshots which almost none of my programs know what to do with. Recall that the internal facings are 0 (north) through 7 (northwest). There is only one northwest wall of a Medium Scout; it is the diagonal wall running southwest-northeast that is "highest" when drawn by the game. The two lines of sight being analyzed (which behave identically) are passing due southeast ("straight down the diagonal") through one of the squares north, or west, of the northwest wall. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 21:56, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)		:: I thought about that...twenty-four hours or so after I overwrote the affected savegame. I'm using CE, which means I have these *.tga screenshots which almost none of my programs know what to do with. Recall that the internal facings are 0 (north) through 7 (northwest). There is only one northwest wall of a Medium Scout; it is the diagonal wall running southwest-northeast that is "highest" when drawn by the game. The two lines of sight being analyzed (which behave identically) are passing due southeast ("straight down the diagonal") through one of the squares north, or west, of the northwest wall. --[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 21:56, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

			:Cool. It's interesting that you've been able to relate your findings to voxels as well as shot penetration! - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 19:52, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

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	: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		: Printscreen will probably only work with the dos version. Dosbox has a image capture function too. For the collectors edition, use '''F12'''. The screenshots will be saved as TGA files in your game directory at a width and height of the game's native resolution of 320x200. Open up the images in whatever image manipulation utility you may have and save it as a PNG or Jpeg for uploading. The PNGs made for the phasing through solid objects on different levels demonstration were amazingly smaller than I expected them to be, so they're quite ideal. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

	[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)		[[Image:Windowbug.jpg\|thumb\|right]] Here we are. Somehow, the colors got distorted, but I think you get the idea; one of the kneeling soldiers is seeing into the UFO somehow; during the alien turn, I could see an ethereal wandering about in the visible area. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 15:49, 20 October 2007 (PDT)<br clear="all">

	:[[Image:Windowbug.png\|left]] Does this shed any light on the matter? It's a 2D representation of the actual 3D models that make up the terrain. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 03:12, 21 October 2007 (PDT)		:[[Image:Windowbug.png\|thumb\|left]] Does this shed any light on the matter? It's a 2D representation of the actual 3D models that make up the terrain. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 03:12, 21 October 2007 (PDT)<br clear="all">

			Just to point out, the reason why you can see into a UFO in certain situations is because the game is using the wrong LineOfFire (LOF) templates. Specifically, the floor and ceiling tiles need to use a longer LOFT so that it butts up to the wall properly. Bomb Bloke and myself [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=417&view=findpost&p=83654 fixed] the Lightning using longer templates for the floor and tests reveal that there are no LOFT issues with this craft anymore. This is just a bug and I don't really think it deserves it's own page. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 23:40, 7 November 2008 (CST)