Talk:Ethereal - Revision history

Hobbes at 17:05, 21 May 2014

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	Regarding when they show up. August appears to be the earliest it's possible from my observations. On my most recent playthrough, I had a few geoscape saves about a week before august. I played several missions in that last week, and then almost immediately on august 1 a large ethereal battleship came in for a retaliation mission. Out of curiosity I reloaded a few times, starting at the beginning of the week and within a few tries, a large muton battleship came after the same base, just on July 30th. I haven't seen any statistics on missions by race over time so this might be wrong, but that's my brief observation.		Regarding when they show up. August appears to be the earliest it's possible from my observations. On my most recent playthrough, I had a few geoscape saves about a week before august. I played several missions in that last week, and then almost immediately on august 1 a large ethereal battleship came in for a retaliation mission. Out of curiosity I reloaded a few times, starting at the beginning of the week and within a few tries, a large muton battleship came after the same base, just on July 30th. I haven't seen any statistics on missions by race over time so this might be wrong, but that's my brief observation.
			:They can appear on June/July depending on the RNG. If you want to see the probabilities check [[Alien Appearance Ratios]]. Btw, if you want to sign your posts just put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of the post. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 13:05, 21 May 2014 (EDT)

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MrKulwych at 13:49, 21 May 2014

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	Regarding when they show up. August appears to be the earliest it's possible from my observations. On my most recent playthrough, I had a few geoscape saves about a week before august. I played several missions in that last week, and then almost immediately on august 1 a large ethereal battleship came in for a retaliation mission. Out of curiosity I reloaded a few times, starting at the beginning of the week and within a few tries, a large muton battleship came after the same base, just on July 30th. I haven't seen any statistics on missions by race over time so this might be wrong, but that's my brief observation.		Regarding when they show up. August appears to be the earliest it's possible from my observations. On my most recent playthrough, I had a few geoscape saves about a week before august. I played several missions in that last week, and then almost immediately on august 1 a large ethereal battleship came in for a retaliation mission. Out of curiosity I reloaded a few times, starting at the beginning of the week and within a few tries, a large muton battleship came after the same base, just on July 30th. I haven't seen any statistics on missions by race over time so this might be wrong, but that's my brief observation.

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	Rarely seen? I see nothing but these after half to three quarters of a year.		Rarely seen? I see nothing but these after half to three quarters of a year.

MrKulwych at 13:49, 21 May 2014

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			Regarding when they show up. August appears to be the earliest it's possible from my observations. On my most recent playthrough, I had a few geoscape saves about a week before august. I played several missions in that last week, and then almost immediately on august 1 a large ethereal battleship came in for a retaliation mission. Out of curiosity I reloaded a few times, starting at the beginning of the week and within a few tries, a large muton battleship came after the same base, just on July 30th. I haven't seen any statistics on missions by race over time so this might be wrong, but that's my brief observation.

	Rarely seen? I see nothing but these after half to three quarters of a year.		Rarely seen? I see nothing but these after half to three quarters of a year.

Brass.Dragon: /* Flying Ethereals */

2013-06-29T04:54:44Z

Flying Ethereals

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	True. But there is no reason why they should appear more often in terror sites or bases than in crafts.--[[User:Trotsky\|Trotsky]] 02:54, 4 July 2006 (PDT)		True. But there is no reason why they should appear more often in terror sites or bases than in crafts.--[[User:Trotsky\|Trotsky]] 02:54, 4 July 2006 (PDT)

			==Ethereals "wake up"==

			So, I had just shot down a large scout, nothing special, all my guys in flying armor, heavy plasmas, and blaster launchers, etc. etc. However, I had yet to capture a Psionic Alien, let alone an Ethereal, but I forgot my stun bombs. So anyways, I saw an Ethereal, pumped it full of plasma, and watched it die. So, I turned my guys around (I split up my group to chase down this guy) and walked to the UFO. Suddenly, my rear guard, (Who I had left behind in case I missed any Ethereals) had not moved, so they would have TUs to react. Unfortunately, the Ethereal I had just killed got a really good look at them, so suddenly, one of them got MCed, and tried (but hardly failed) to kill the other guy in my rear guard. The other soldier in my rear guard was low on ammo after killing the weakling who dared had himself MCed, so I went to grab the dead Ethereal's ammo. The corpse was gone. I did not know what to do at all, I swear it was as dead as a doornail. So, I investigated a nearby building (a multi-story structure)and I walked right in, and pew pew pew, my guy was dead from several direct hits from a Plasma Pistol. I sent in three more guys (I now have six left to storm the UFO, I brought a plasma hovertank in a Skyranger) I walked one up right up the stairs, he died, and on the next turn, a grenade popped down, killed the gal who was covering, so all what was left was one guy in that building, for the rest were storming the UFO by now, and being way successful. Luckily, he was quick enough to kill it before it got him. All it had on it was a Plasma Pistol, missing three shots in it. This time, I made sure it was dead, with a mind probe. But hot damn, why did it get up? Did it fall unconscious and get back up without it weapons to wreak vengeance? What the hell happened?




	==Flying Ethereals==		==Flying Ethereals==

NKF: /* Lasers beat plasma? */

2011-11-22T04:57:28Z

Lasers beat plasma?

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	Well I don't think so but I could be wrong. My table above agrees with your memory, apart from lasers being better than plasma. That might be true vs the accompanying Sectopods, or if plasma ammo was short. Or if the stats I based my table on were wrong, perhaps. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 20:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)		Well I don't think so but I could be wrong. My table above agrees with your memory, apart from lasers being better than plasma. That might be true vs the accompanying Sectopods, or if plasma ammo was short. Or if the stats I based my table on were wrong, perhaps. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 20:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)

			: Damage multipliers aren't an issue here as they both do 100% vs. Ethereals, so Plasma weapons have the edge numerically. Still, the randomness of the damage dealt and difficulty/rank of the Ethereal can influence the outcomes a bit. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

Spike: /* Lasers beat plasma? */ new section

2011-11-22T01:59:08Z

Lasers beat plasma?: new section

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	[[User:Sparki\|Sparki]] 16:56, 21 November 2011 (EST)		[[User:Sparki\|Sparki]] 16:56, 21 November 2011 (EST)

			== Lasers beat plasma? ==

			Well I don't think so but I could be wrong. My table above agrees with your memory, apart from lasers being better than plasma. That might be true vs the accompanying Sectopods, or if plasma ammo was short. Or if the stats I based my table on were wrong, perhaps. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 20:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Sparki at 21:56, 21 November 2011

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	[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:24, 27 February 2009 (CST)		[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:24, 27 February 2009 (CST)

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			During my time of playing, I always had the impression that Ethereals were very resilient to explosives, incendiary and AP rounds and even plasma - however, they were practically one-shot-kills to lasers. I never really went into the math but I was surprised that laser/heat was not mentioned. Was this a false impression of mine? I'd still be confused because, foremost, a buddy and I used to play this day and night and we learned our lesson to have at least one laser rifle in the craft in late game.

			[[User:Sparki\|Sparki]] 16:56, 21 November 2011 (EST)

Spike: /* Flying Ethereals */ Party on Level 9

2009-02-28T12:36:12Z

Flying Ethereals: Party on Level 9

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	: No harm in creating a section to assist in defeating them. It's the early meeting with them before you've screened your troops that often proves to be the hardest time for players. Some strategies on how to cope during this time would be welcome. However, since Ethereals merely have more than others rather than being truly unique (like the Chryssalids) it may be at the risk of duplicating information that is already elsewhere (like understanding psi mechanics and how to defend against it - and using more firepower to take down the Sectopod). But again, no harm in adding such a section. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 22:54, 29 July 2008 (PDT)		: No harm in creating a section to assist in defeating them. It's the early meeting with them before you've screened your troops that often proves to be the hardest time for players. Some strategies on how to cope during this time would be welcome. However, since Ethereals merely have more than others rather than being truly unique (like the Chryssalids) it may be at the risk of duplicating information that is already elsewhere (like understanding psi mechanics and how to defend against it - and using more firepower to take down the Sectopod). But again, no harm in adding such a section. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 22:54, 29 July 2008 (PDT)
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			If ALL the ethereals are cleverly flying around level 9 of the map at night, you will DEFINITELY have to abort. (if you still can) [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:49, 28 February 2009 (CST)

			: I suspect that this would not happen, as Alien placement is more or less pre-determined by the route and map files. But yes, it would be even harder than having one Ethereal spotter up in the sky outside human sighting range. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 06:36, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	== Weapon Rankings Vs. Ethereals ==		== Weapon Rankings Vs. Ethereals ==

Spike: New section: Weapon Rankings Vs. Ethereals

2009-02-28T03:24:22Z

New section: Weapon Rankings Vs. Ethereals

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	: No harm in creating a section to assist in defeating them. It's the early meeting with them before you've screened your troops that often proves to be the hardest time for players. Some strategies on how to cope during this time would be welcome. However, since Ethereals merely have more than others rather than being truly unique (like the Chryssalids) it may be at the risk of duplicating information that is already elsewhere (like understanding psi mechanics and how to defend against it - and using more firepower to take down the Sectopod). But again, no harm in adding such a section. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 22:54, 29 July 2008 (PDT)		: No harm in creating a section to assist in defeating them. It's the early meeting with them before you've screened your troops that often proves to be the hardest time for players. Some strategies on how to cope during this time would be welcome. However, since Ethereals merely have more than others rather than being truly unique (like the Chryssalids) it may be at the risk of duplicating information that is already elsewhere (like understanding psi mechanics and how to defend against it - and using more firepower to take down the Sectopod). But again, no harm in adding such a section. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 22:54, 29 July 2008 (PDT)
	: P. S: You can sign your discussion posts by entering three or four tilde's (<nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki>).		: P. S: You can sign your discussion posts by entering three or four tilde's (<nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki>).

			== Weapon Rankings Vs. Ethereals ==

			%TUs per kill (average; FA=50):

			HvyPlas 31
			Blast Bmb 33
			PlasmaR 49
			HE Pack(XCU) 51
			HvyLas (XCU) 55
			Stun Rod 72
			LaserR 90
			PlasmaP 96
			HE Pack 113
			HvyLas 135
			RocketLg 147
			Alien Grd 154
			LaserP 185
			HC - AP 229
			RocketSm 239
			Prox Grd 242
			Stun Bmb 242
			AC - AP 321
			HC - HE 340
			AC - HE 420
			Grenade 529
			Rifle 704
			Pistol 1188


			[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:24, 27 February 2009 (CST)

NKF at 05:54, 30 July 2008

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	Any plans for adding a tactics section on how to deal with them? As it stands, they are one of the most powerful encounters out there on account of their massive indirect combat abilities and sectopod support.		Any plans for adding a tactics section on how to deal with them? As it stands, they are one of the most powerful encounters out there on account of their massive indirect combat abilities and sectopod support.

			: No harm in creating a section to assist in defeating them. It's the early meeting with them before you've screened your troops that often proves to be the hardest time for players. Some strategies on how to cope during this time would be welcome. However, since Ethereals merely have more than others rather than being truly unique (like the Chryssalids) it may be at the risk of duplicating information that is already elsewhere (like understanding psi mechanics and how to defend against it - and using more firepower to take down the Sectopod). But again, no harm in adding such a section. - [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 22:54, 29 July 2008 (PDT)
			: P. S: You can sign your discussion posts by entering three or four tilde's (<nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki>).