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Miteusz: no inflection point

2016-08-12T12:20:54Z

no inflection point

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	::I have corrected required number of engineers on this page. Research required to build Foundry seems to be fine. Is there anything else incorrect? [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)		::I have corrected required number of engineers on this page. Research required to build Foundry seems to be fine. Is there anything else incorrect? [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

			== Inflection point ==
			Function for final cost (as function of number of total engineers) doesn't have any inflection points. It's, roughly, 1+1/x function and it is convex function. --[[User:Miteusz\|Miteusz]] ([[User talk:Miteusz\|talk]]) 08:20, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

Jarcionek: /* Prerequisite and Cost */

2012-10-20T19:39:57Z

Prerequisite and Cost

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			:Engineers have been moved from "cost" to "prerequisite"; "duration" header replaced with "build time" [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)


	The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)		The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

			:Corrected [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)


	''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)


	Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

	:I have updated all the buildings (including finding the formulas for required number of engineers etc.): http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Base_Facilities_%28EU2012%29 [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 09:44, 19 October 2012 (EDT)		:I have updated all the buildings (including finding the formulas for required number of engineers etc.): http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Base_Facilities_%28EU2012%29 [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 09:44, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
			::I have corrected required number of engineers on this page. Research required to build Foundry seems to be fine. Is there anything else incorrect? [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Jarcionek: /* Prerequisite and Cost */

2012-10-19T13:44:39Z

Prerequisite and Cost

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	Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

			:I have updated all the buildings (including finding the formulas for required number of engineers etc.): http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Base_Facilities_%28EU2012%29 [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 09:44, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

Kokkan at 10:43, 15 October 2012

2012-10-15T10:43:18Z

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			== Prerequisite and Cost ==
			This data is misleading, since the projects don't actually cost/consume Engineers but rather require a minimum of them to be able to be built. It would be better to structure the data in this way:
			Also '''Duration''' is better described with '''Build Time''.

			{\| class="wikitable" width="100%"
			\|+ Facilities
			\|-
			! width="15%" align="center" \| Facility
			! width="25%" align="center" \| Description
			! width="10%" align="center" \| Requirements
			! width="10%" align="center" \| Cost
			! width="10%" align="center" \| Maintenance
			! width="20%" align="center" \| Bonus
			! width="10%" align="center" \| Build Time
			\|- style="vertical-align:top;"
			\|-
			\| align="center" \| Access Lift \|\| align="center" \| Required to access a level. \|\| align="center" \| None \|\| align="center" \| §50<br/>2 Power \|\| align="center" \| §10 month \|\| align="center" \| None \|\| align="center" \| 5d
			\|-
			\| align="center" \| Satellite Uplink \|\| align="center" \| With the signal monitored by a team of engineers, each Satellite Uplink is capable of receiving transmissions from 2 XCOM satellites. \|\| align="center" \| 10 Engineers \|\| align="center" \| §150<br/>5 Power \|\| align="center" \| - \|\| align="center" \| +1 Satellite capacity for every two uplinks constructed adjacent to another. \|\| align="center" \| Unknown
			\|-
			\| align="center" \| Satellite Nexus \|\| align="center" \| With the signal monitored by a team of engineers, each Satellite Nexus is capable of receiving transmissions from 4 XCOM satellites. \|\| align="center" \| Alien Nav Computer<br/> 25 Engineers \|\| align="center" \| §300<br/>8 Power<br/>25x Alloys<br/>2x UFO Flight Computer \|\| align="center" \| §26 month \|\| align="center" \| +1 Satellite capacity for every adjacent uplink. \|\| align="center" \| 21d
			\|}




	The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)		The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Trenchie at 08:50, 15 October 2012

2012-10-15T08:50:36Z

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	''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

			Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Kokkan: moved comment to discussion page.

2012-10-15T08:24:38Z

moved comment to discussion page.

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			''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Momerathe at 08:31, 13 October 2012

2012-10-13T08:31:21Z

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	~~I have a potential formula for manufacturing costs:~~
	~~final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]~~
	~~. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)~~

	The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)		The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Momerathe at 09:27, 12 October 2012

2012-10-12T09:27:48Z

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	final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]		final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]
	. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)		. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

	The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)		The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Momerathe at 09:27, 12 October 2012

2012-10-12T09:27:34Z

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	final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]		final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]
	. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)		. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
			The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Momerathe at 21:33, 6 October 2012

2012-10-06T21:33:52Z

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	I have a potential formula for manufacturing costs:		I have a potential formula for manufacturing costs:
	final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]		final cost = round down [ base cost x 0.5 x (1+ (engineers required / total engineers) ) ]
	needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)		. It needs to be tested! [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 17:33, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

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			:Engineers have been moved from "cost" to "prerequisite"; "duration" header replaced with "build time" [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)


	The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)		The engineers requirements listed for uplink/workshop/nexus are wrong - it depends on how many you already have built. [[User:Momerathe\|Momerathe]] 05:27, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

			:Corrected [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)


	''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		''ToDo: is there a simple rule-of-thumb that determines Foundry projects vs. Research projects? eg a sentence like "all equipment requiring elerium is researched at the Foundry'' [[User:Off the Rails\|Off the Rails]] 04:06, 15 October 2012 (EDT)


	Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		Some base facilities requirements are wrong -- Foundry requires research, and laboratories and workshops require that you acquire at least one scientist/engineer beyond the initial ones, [[User:Trenchie\|Trenchie]] 04:50, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

	:I have updated all the buildings (including finding the formulas for required number of engineers etc.): http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Base_Facilities_%28EU2012%29 [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 09:44, 19 October 2012 (EDT)		:I have updated all the buildings (including finding the formulas for required number of engineers etc.): http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Base_Facilities_%28EU2012%29 [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 09:44, 19 October 2012 (EDT)
			::I have corrected required number of engineers on this page. Research required to build Foundry seems to be fine. Is there anything else incorrect? [[User:Jarcionek\|Jarcionek]] 15:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)