Talk:Engineering (Apocalypse) - Revision history

EsTeR at 02:45, 2 July 2022

2022-07-02T02:45:44Z

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	''For best min/maxing it is recommended to juggle Engineers around for an average skill level of 450 for the small Workshops and 850-900 for the Advanced Workshops. As the random factor (time for research/manufacturing) of the previous 2 games has not been implemented in Apocalypse, you will always get the full skill level progress for each ingame hour passed, while the total skill level required for the project will also always stay the same. Therefore the highest "realistic" even skill number (450 / 850 /900) per Workshop will allow for the fastest manufacturing of items/craft (as most projects have even total Skill Requirement numbers). The difference between 449 and 450 can already be 1 - 5 hours, depending on the project.''		''For best min/maxing it is recommended to juggle Engineers around for an average skill level of 450 for the small Workshops and 850-900 for the Advanced Workshops. As the random factor (time for research/manufacturing) of the previous 2 games has not been implemented in Apocalypse, you will always get the full skill level progress for each ingame hour passed, while the total skill level required for the project will also always stay the same. Therefore the highest "realistic" even skill number (450 / 850 /900) per Workshop will allow for the fastest manufacturing of items/craft (as most projects have even total Skill Requirement numbers). The difference between 449 and 450 can already be 1 - 5 hours, depending on the project.''
	Wrong.		Wrong.
	~~Every single skill point closer to the perfect 1000 will decrease the time taken.~~
	* Project complete screen only appears at the '''start of a new hour'''. If your project takes even one more minute in the new hour, you lose 59minutes because ..."start of a new hour"!
	* Best scenario would be to time a project so it finished exactly 1minute before the new hour or (prefered):
	* Start a project to last many days so that losing 1hour of time at the end becomes insignificant.
	~~:eg: losing 1hour of a 96hour total time production run is almost irrelevant, but losing 59minutes every 1hr+1min project run is unacceptable waste.~~

EsTeR at 16:28, 29 June 2022

2022-06-29T16:28:12Z

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	Wrong.		Wrong.
	Every single skill point closer to the perfect 1000 will decrease the time taken.		Every single skill point closer to the perfect 1000 will decrease the time taken.
	* Project complete screen only appears at the start of a new hour. If your project takes even one more minute in the new hour, you lose 59minutes because ..."start of a new hour"!		* Project complete screen only appears at the '''start of a new hour'''. If your project takes even one more minute in the new hour, you lose 59minutes because ..."start of a new hour"!
	* Best scenario would be to time a project so it finished exactly 1minute before the new hour or (prefered):		* Best scenario would be to time a project so it finished exactly 1minute before the new hour or (prefered):
	* Start a project to last many ~~<s>~~days~~</s>~~ so that losing 1hour of time at the end becomes insignificant.		* Start a project to last many days so that losing 1hour of time at the end becomes insignificant.
	:eg: losing 1hour of a 96hour total time production run is almost irrelevant, but losing 59minutes every 1hr+1min project run is unacceptable waste.		:eg: losing 1hour of a 96hour total time production run is almost irrelevant, but losing 59minutes every 1hr+1min project run is unacceptable waste.

EsTeR: clarification on optimal timing.

2022-06-29T16:26:59Z

clarification on optimal timing.

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		=Incorrect Assumptions=
		<br>
		''For best min/maxing it is recommended to juggle Engineers around for an average skill level of 450 for the small Workshops and 850-900 for the Advanced Workshops. As the random factor (time for research/manufacturing) of the previous 2 games has not been implemented in Apocalypse, you will always get the full skill level progress for each ingame hour passed, while the total skill level required for the project will also always stay the same. Therefore the highest "realistic" even skill number (450 / 850 /900) per Workshop will allow for the fastest manufacturing of items/craft (as most projects have even total Skill Requirement numbers). The difference between 449 and 450 can already be 1 - 5 hours, depending on the project.''
		Wrong.
		Every single skill point closer to the perfect 1000 will decrease the time taken.
		* Project complete screen only appears at the start of a new hour. If your project takes even one more minute in the new hour, you lose 59minutes because ..."start of a new hour"!
		* Best scenario would be to time a project so it finished exactly 1minute before the new hour or (prefered):
		* Start a project to last many <s>days</s> so that losing 1hour of time at the end becomes insignificant.
		:eg: losing 1hour of a 96hour total time production run is almost irrelevant, but losing 59minutes every 1hr+1min project run is unacceptable waste.

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2022-06-26T16:43:55Z

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EsTeR: spelling

2022-06-26T16:13:31Z

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EsTeR: minor definition clari

2022-06-26T16:10:14Z

minor definition clari

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	* Build Time: one unit		* Build Time: one unit
	* Build Time: one unit in hours (rounded up) to make it easier to understand.		* Build Time: one unit in hours (rounded up) to make it easier to understand.
	* Facility: small (250/week) or large (500/week)		* Facility: small (250/week) or large (500/week) in maintenance costs.
	* Market Capacity: how much to sell before price gets affected every week.		* Market Capacity: how much to sell before price start to gets affected every week.
	* Sell Price: ~~what you get for each thing~~.		* Sell Price: typical of the market.
	* Raw Profits: sell one-something to get this many credit-dollars, without paying your way.		* Raw Profits: sell one-something to get this many credit-dollars, without paying your way or time.
	* Profit Per Build Time: portion of a credit-dollar you get for each tick of the build clock.		* Profit Per Build Time: portion of a credit-dollar you get for each tick of the build clock if using large workshop with 1000skill:
			: Using small workshop only: raw profit ÷ (build-time-in-hours x0.5) = Money/Hr (or halve the Build Time Pre Profit).
			: Using large workshop only: raw profit ÷ build-time-in-hours = Money/Hr
	{\| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"		{\| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
	! Manufacture Item !! Build Cost !! Build Time !! Build Time¹ !! Facility !! Market<br>Capacity !! Sell Price !! Raw Profit² !! Profit Per<br>Build Time³ !!		! Manufacture Item !! Build Cost !! Build Time !! Build Time¹ !! Facility !! Market<br>Capacity !! Sell Price !! Raw Profit² !! Profit Per<br>Build Time³ !!
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	¹ when using all engineers with 100 skill. (Small=500, Large=1000)<br>		¹ when using all engineers with 100 skill. (Small=500, Large=1000)<br>
	² not regarding time, salary, maintenance.<br>		² not regarding time, salary, maintenance.<br>
	³ ~~basic profit per time, higher is better.~~<br>		³ all based on using large workshop and 1000skill <br>
	↓ shortened to four decimal places.<br>		↓ shortened to four decimal places.<br>
	↑ to next full hour, recalculate with quantity to get accurate time<br>		↑ to next full hour, recalculate with quantity to get accurate time<br>

EsTeR: something close

2022-06-26T15:14:22Z

something close

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EsTeR: more ramblings (just to show others my calcs), soon will all excess deleted, then page can be formatted properly

2022-06-26T05:46:09Z

more ramblings (just to show others my calcs), soon will all excess deleted, then page can be formatted properly

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 =Manufacture: Profit Chart=
 '''This is a work in progress: please change it if you find an error!''' [[User:EsTeR|EsTeR]]<br>
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 |}
-* using an example ie: 100bt, 5 x 75sk, we could optimise production:
+* using an example '''TO PROVE WRAP AROUND''' ie: 100bt, 5 x 75sk, we could optimise production:
 : Hour 1: 375sk - 300bt = '''x3mod''' with 75skR
 : Hour 2: 375sk + 75skR = 450sk
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 Confirmed: SK wraps to next hour, which determines the optimal time period.
-'''More testing:'''
+'''but'''
-ratios

EsTeR: deleted testing text = don't need it anymore

2022-06-26T03:53:08Z

deleted testing text = don't need it anymore

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 ==Timing==
-Time to build is always completed on the hour:<s>
+Time to build is always completed on the hour:
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-* using that example above ie: 100bt, 5 x 75sk, we could optimise production:
+* using an example ie: 100bt, 5 x 75sk, we could optimise production:
-: Hour 1 375sk - 300bt = '''x3mod''' with 75skR
+: Hour 1: 375sk - 300bt = '''x3mod''' with 75skR
-: Hour 2 375sk + 75skR = 450sk
+: Hour 2: 375sk + 75skR = 450sk
 :: 450sk - 400bt = 50skR = '''x4mod''' with 50skR
-: Hour 3 375sk + 50skR = 425sk
+: Hour 3: 375sk + 50skR = 425sk
 :: 425sk - 400bt = 25skR = '''x4mod''' with 25skR
-: Hour 4 375sk + 25skR = 400sk
+: Hour 4: 375sk + 25skR = 400sk
 :: 400sk - 400bt = '''x4mod''' with 0skR
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 Confirmed: SK wraps to next hour, which determines the optimal time period.
 ==Overheads==

EsTeR: more testing

2022-06-26T03:44:04Z

more testing

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	with 50sk wasted.		with 50sk wasted.

			{\|style="border-style: solid; border-width: 5px"
			\|
	'''FIRST RULE'''		'''FIRST RULE'''

	'''SK''' <sup>total</sup> ÷ '''BT''' <sup>single</sup> = '''QTY''' <sup>first hour</sup>		'''SK''' <sup>total</sup> ÷ '''BT''' <sup>single</sup> = '''QTY''' <sup>first hour</sup>

			SK = engineer skill<br>
			BT = built time<br>
			QTY = whole number quantity
			\|}

			* using that example above ie: 100bt, 5 x 75sk, we could optimise production:
			: Hour 1 375sk - 300bt = '''x3mod''' with 75skR
			: Hour 2 375sk + 75skR = 450sk
			:: 450sk - 400bt = 50skR = '''x4mod''' with 50skR
			: Hour 3 375sk + 50skR = 425sk
			:: 425sk - 400bt = 25skR = '''x4mod''' with 25skR
			: Hour 4 375sk + 25skR = 400sk
			:: 400sk - 400bt = '''x4mod''' with 0skR

			Soo, optimal time to build without wasting any engineer skill would be:<br>
			4 x hours at 15 x modules built!

			Confirmed: SK wraps to next hour, which determines the optimal time period.

	==Overheads==		==Overheads==

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	* Build Time: one unit in hours (rounded up) to make it easier to understand.		* Build Time: one unit in hours (rounded up) to make it easier to understand.
	* Facility: small (250/week) or large (500/week) in maintenance costs.		* Facility: small (250/week) or large (500/week) in maintenance costs.
	* Market Capacity: how much to sell before price ~~start~~ to gets affected every week.		* Market Capacity: how much to sell before price starts to gets affected every week.
	* Sell Price: typical of the market.		* Sell Price: typical of the market.
	* Raw Profits: sell one-something to get this many credit-dollars, without paying your way or time.		* Raw Profits: sell one-something to get this many credit-dollars, without paying your way or time.
	* Profit Per Build Time: portion of a credit-dollar you get for each tick of the build clock if using large workshop with 1000skill:		* Profit Per Build Time: portion of a credit-dollar you get for each tick of the build clock if using large workshop with 1000skill:
	: Using small workshop only: raw profit ÷ (build-time-in-hours x0.5) = Money/Hr (or halve the Build Time ~~Pre~~ Profit).		: Using small workshop only: raw profit ÷ (build-time-in-hours x0.5) = Money/Hr (or halve the Build Time Per Profit).
	: Using large workshop only: raw profit ÷ build-time-in-hours = Money/Hr		: Using large workshop only: raw profit ÷ build-time-in-hours = Money/Hr
	{\| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"		{\| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
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	¹ when using all engineers with 100 skill. (Small=500, Large=1000)<br>		¹ when using all engineers with 100 skill. (Small=500, Large=1000)<br>
	² not regarding time, salary, maintenance.<br>		² not regarding time, salary, maintenance.<br>
	³ all based on using large workshop and 1000skill <br>		³ all based on using large workshop and 1000skill. <br>
	↓ shortened to four decimal places.<br>		↓ shortened to four decimal places.<br>
	↑ to next full hour, recalculate with quantity to get accurate time<br>		↑ to next full hour, recalculate with quantity without rounding up to get accurate time if building multiple.<br>