Talk:Defense (EU2012) - Revision history

https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ADefense_%28EU2012%29 Talk:Defense (EU2012) - Revision history 2026-05-01T21:13:11Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.43.6 https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=40681&oldid=prev Drakalu at 19:46, 31 October 2012 2012-10-31T19:46:14Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:46, 31 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l12">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can provide screenshots of this debuff in-game if desired. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 07:10, 28 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I can provide screenshots of this debuff in-game if desired. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 07:10, 28 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Added additional information on countering Defense bonuses including increasing Aim, using explosives, and abilities. I feel like it is missing a few things even though I tried to be as thorough as possible and pull information from several pages/sources. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 15:46, 31 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Drakalu https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=40484&oldid=prev Arrow Quivershaft at 11:14, 28 October 2012 2012-10-28T11:14:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:14, 28 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Agree, that description is incorrect. You only get bonus crit for a flank. Feel free to correct errors like this.--[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 02:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Agree, that description is incorrect. You only get bonus crit for a flank. Feel free to correct errors like this.--[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 02:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You get a bonus of +50% to critical chance for "Enemy Exposed", which seems to occur when a unit is not behind cover. I can provide screenshots of this in-game if desired. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 07:10, 28 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::You get a bonus of +50% to critical chance for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>"Enemy Exposed" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">debuff</ins>, which seems to occur when a unit is not behind cover. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It doesn't provide any defense penalty, likely because there's no need to with the fact that it's out of cover and suffering a +50% crit chance.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I can understand how this could've been missed, as the only units the AI REGULARLY seems to move around in the open when cover is available are terrorists, IE Cyberdisc, Sectopod, and Chryssalid, all of which have -60% crit chance from Hardened, which more than negates the +50 from being exposed.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::</ins>I can provide screenshots of this <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">debuff </ins>in-game if desired. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 07:10, 28 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr>  </table>

Arrow Quivershaft https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=40483&oldid=prev Arrow Quivershaft at 11:10, 28 October 2012 2012-10-28T11:10:37Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:10, 28 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Agree, that description is incorrect. You only get bonus crit for a flank. Feel free to correct errors like this.--[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 02:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Agree, that description is incorrect. You only get bonus crit for a flank. Feel free to correct errors like this.--[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 02:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::You get a bonus of +50% to critical chance for "Enemy Exposed", which seems to occur when a unit is not behind cover. I can provide screenshots of this in-game if desired. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 07:10, 28 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Arrow Quivershaft https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=40382&oldid=prev Kokkan at 06:55, 26 October 2012 2012-10-26T06:55:05Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:55, 26 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: Kokkan, that's what I meant above. But now that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: Kokkan, that's what I meant above. But now that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Agree, that description is incorrect. You only get bonus crit for a flank. Feel free to correct errors like this.--[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 02:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Kokkan https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=40365&oldid=prev Drakalu at 00:07, 26 October 2012 2012-10-26T00:07:07Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 00:07, 26 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: Kokkan, that's what I meant above. But now that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: Kokkan, that's what I meant above. But now that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: ''"Not being in cover against a shot increases critical hit chance of said shot by 50% (standing in the open or being flanked)"'' - Correct me if I'm wrong, but being in the open does not provide any defense bonus or bonus to crit. Only being flanked, basically having your back against a wall, provides the bonus to crit. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 20:07, 25 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Drakalu https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=39727&oldid=prev Hobbes at 15:52, 19 October 2012 2012-10-19T15:52:26Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:52, 19 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Isn</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t it </del>what I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">wrote </del>above<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">? Now </del>that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Kokkan, that</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s </ins>what I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">meant </ins>above<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. But now </ins>that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr>  </table>

Hobbes https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=39726&oldid=prev Hobbes at 15:51, 19 October 2012 2012-10-19T15:51:29Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:51, 19 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: Isn't it what I wrote above? Now that I think about it, this info should go on 2 locations: a page dealing with Soldier Stats, listing all the different modifiers for all the stats and a page/section for the Gameplay Mecanics explaining how cover/defense works. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:51, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Hobbes https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=39725&oldid=prev Kokkan at 15:46, 19 October 2012 2012-10-19T15:46:46Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:46, 19 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l2">Line 2:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 2:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I can see it staying here, but should definitly have cross links to things like Cover, Armors that increase defense, and abilities that increase defense (smoke grenade, TK Shield, etc) as well. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I can see it staying here, but should definitly have cross links to things like Cover, Armors that increase defense, and abilities that increase defense (smoke grenade, TK Shield, etc) as well. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, now I see what you meant. I thought this page originally grew off of the Defense stat from the Soldier stat page instead of the Game Mechanics section. I still think it's a valid entry because there are multiple factors that increase a units' Defense stat. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:32, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, now I see what you meant. I thought this page originally grew off of the Defense stat from the Soldier stat page instead of the Game Mechanics section. I still think it's a valid entry because there are multiple factors that increase a units' Defense stat. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:32, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Is it not the other way around, Hobbes? Cover is one of the ways to increase Defence. We also have something similar in the High/Low Ground mechanic. --[[User:Kokkan|Kokkan]] 11:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Kokkan https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=39722&oldid=prev Drakalu at 15:32, 19 October 2012 2012-10-19T15:32:59Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:32, 19 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I think this should be merged with Cover since Cover serves to increase a unit's defense and critical hits could go there as well since it's also related. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:50, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I think this should be merged with Cover since Cover serves to increase a unit's defense and critical hits could go there as well since it's also related. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:50, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I can see it staying here, but should definitly have cross links to things like Cover, Armors that increase defense, and abilities that increase defense (smoke grenade, TK Shield, etc) as well. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I can see it staying here, but should definitly have cross links to things like Cover, Armors that increase defense, and abilities that increase defense (smoke grenade, TK Shield, etc) as well. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: OK, now I see what you meant. I thought this page originally grew off of the Defense stat from the Soldier stat page instead of the Game Mechanics section. I still think it's a valid entry because there are multiple factors that increase a units' Defense stat. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:32, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

Drakalu https://temp.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Defense_(EU2012)&diff=39714&oldid=prev Drakalu at 15:03, 19 October 2012 2012-10-19T15:03:03Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:03, 19 October 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I think this should be merged with Cover since Cover serves to increase a unit's defense and critical hits could go there as well since it's also related. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:50, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I think this should be merged with Cover since Cover serves to increase a unit's defense and critical hits could go there as well since it's also related. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:50, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: I can see it staying here, but should definitly have cross links to things like Cover, Armors that increase defense, and abilities that increase defense (smoke grenade, TK Shield, etc) as well. ~ [[User:Drakalu|Drakalu]] 11:03, 19 October 2012 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>  </table>

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