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Hobbes: moved the normal and impossible tables to this page until they are finished
2012-11-27T14:51:13Z
<p>moved the normal and impossible tables to this page until they are finished</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:What I mean is that it randomizes damage on a hit, not by difficulty, just a bit of basic randomizing so that things aren't always the same. Sorry for being unclear. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 02:23, 7 November 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:What I mean is that it randomizes damage on a hit, not by difficulty, just a bit of basic randomizing so that things aren't always the same. Sorry for being unclear. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 02:23, 7 November 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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:Apologies for intruding, but are we sure that Critical damage completely stacks with Base damage? So far as I've seen, critical damage OVERLAPS base damage, IE, a critical hit uses the higher "Critical damage" number in the randomizer, instead of the Baze Damage number. <br />
::I appreciate the feedback. Good question - my current impression is that damage is dealt in two rolls, one for hit (base damage) and a 2nd one which seems to be randomized within the critical damage ability. I've made kills that also support this model, like 1 Alloy Cannon shot killing an undamaged Muton Elite that has been flanked. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:51, 6 November 2012 (EST)<br />
:Also, the Base Damage, as found elsewhere, seems to be able to be modified by one (and possibly more)in either direction. So Guaranteed kills may not quite count unless the damage is high enough that even -1 is still enough to one-shot. (IE, 4 base damage LMG, -1=3: Still enough for a Sectoid) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 18:41, 6 November 2012 (EST)<br />
::I've checked the damage on my current Classic game. From what I've researched there's no change to it on the difficulty levels. Which makes a lot of sense since it's a lot easier to learn the game if you always play with the same weapon stats. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:51, 6 November 2012 (EST)<br />
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:What I mean is that it randomizes damage on a hit, not by difficulty, just a bit of basic randomizing so that things aren't always the same. Sorry for being unclear. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft|Arrow Quivershaft]] 02:23, 7 November 2012 (EST)<br />
::I've switched my game settings to show the alien's health bars (so far I was developing this model based on the results from hits to my soldiers. Yesterday I saw an Alloy Cannon dealing 22 damage points to a Sectopod so the basic assumption, game damage = (base damage roll) + (critical damage roll) is correct. The question is how the critical damage roll is distributed: on Base Damage the deviation seems to be slight (the values displayed on the Armory correspond to average base damage, while on missions the damage displayed while firing is the maximum base damage. On critical damage the distribution of results seems to follow a growing pattern: the bigger the critical damage inflicted the lesser the chance you'll get that result.[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 08:57, 14 November 2012 (EST)</div>
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