Talk:Council of Funding Nations - Revision history

Hobbes: /* Funding Council for XCOM: Enemy Unknown */

2012-09-30T15:02:07Z

Funding Council for XCOM: Enemy Unknown

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	==Funding Council for XCOM: Enemy Unknown==		==Funding Council for XCOM: Enemy Unknown==
	:I look forward to this level of analysis in articles of future X-COM games. :D I see that in that game they exchanged Spain and Italy for Mexico and Argentina, and also added the choice of soldier nationalities from non-funding countries. - [[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 18:52, 29 September 2012 (EDT)		:I look forward to this level of analysis in articles of future X-COM games. :D I see that in that game they exchanged Spain and Italy for Mexico and Argentina, and also added the choice of soldier nationalities from non-funding countries. - [[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 18:52, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

			:This actually may be the basis of a nice article about the Council for the new game :) [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 11:02, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Conrad Gray at 22:52, 29 September 2012

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	::: Well, because the game isn't exactly explicit on this issue, and everyone has a "personal canon" for the purposes of stories or original work or whatever, I think I'll use the one established in "Unknown Menace" until I can get a copy of Diane Duane's novelization, or a translation of the Russian one. I guess I like the greater secrecy because I was thinking of X-Com more MIB-style, and thus the less governments (and people) who know about it, the more interesting it. And excluding certain countries opens itself up to all sorts of intrigue. It also makes me think of GURPS Black Ops. But that's just me. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 09:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)B		::: Well, because the game isn't exactly explicit on this issue, and everyone has a "personal canon" for the purposes of stories or original work or whatever, I think I'll use the one established in "Unknown Menace" until I can get a copy of Diane Duane's novelization, or a translation of the Russian one. I guess I like the greater secrecy because I was thinking of X-Com more MIB-style, and thus the less governments (and people) who know about it, the more interesting it. And excluding certain countries opens itself up to all sorts of intrigue. It also makes me think of GURPS Black Ops. But that's just me. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 09:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)B

	==Funding Council for ~~XCom~~==		==Funding Council for XCOM: Enemy Unknown==
	:I look forward to this level of analysis in articles of future X-COM games. :D I see that in that game they exchanged Spain and Italy for Mexico and Argentina, and also added the choice of soldier nationalities from non-funding countries. - [[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 18:52, 29 September 2012 (EDT)		:I look forward to this level of analysis in articles of future X-COM games. :D I see that in that game they exchanged Spain and Italy for Mexico and Argentina, and also added the choice of soldier nationalities from non-funding countries. - [[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 18:52, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Conrad Gray: /* Further Discussion */

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Further Discussion

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	::: Well, because the game isn't exactly explicit on this issue, and everyone has a "personal canon" for the purposes of stories or original work or whatever, I think I'll use the one established in "Unknown Menace" until I can get a copy of Diane Duane's novelization, or a translation of the Russian one. I guess I like the greater secrecy because I was thinking of X-Com more MIB-style, and thus the less governments (and people) who know about it, the more interesting it. And excluding certain countries opens itself up to all sorts of intrigue. It also makes me think of GURPS Black Ops. But that's just me. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 09:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)B		::: Well, because the game isn't exactly explicit on this issue, and everyone has a "personal canon" for the purposes of stories or original work or whatever, I think I'll use the one established in "Unknown Menace" until I can get a copy of Diane Duane's novelization, or a translation of the Russian one. I guess I like the greater secrecy because I was thinking of X-Com more MIB-style, and thus the less governments (and people) who know about it, the more interesting it. And excluding certain countries opens itself up to all sorts of intrigue. It also makes me think of GURPS Black Ops. But that's just me. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 09:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)B

			==Funding Council for XCom==
			:I look forward to this level of analysis in articles of future X-COM games. :D I see that in that game they exchanged Spain and Italy for Mexico and Argentina, and also added the choice of soldier nationalities from non-funding countries. - [[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 18:52, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

Conrad Gray at 16:06, 16 April 2008

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	::: Yeah, just checked and it is different. I guess I've changed my opinion since then :). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 05:51, 16 April 2008 (PDT)		::: Yeah, just checked and it is different. I guess I've changed my opinion since then :). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 05:51, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

			::: Well, because the game isn't exactly explicit on this issue, and everyone has a "personal canon" for the purposes of stories or original work or whatever, I think I'll use the one established in "Unknown Menace" until I can get a copy of Diane Duane's novelization, or a translation of the Russian one. I guess I like the greater secrecy because I was thinking of X-Com more MIB-style, and thus the less governments (and people) who know about it, the more interesting it. And excluding certain countries opens itself up to all sorts of intrigue. It also makes me think of GURPS Black Ops. But that's just me. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 09:06, 16 April 2008 (PDT)B

Hobbes at 12:51, 16 April 2008

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	:: Isn't that different from how you portrayed it in your Unknown Menace fanfiction, though? -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 22:06, 15 April 2008 (PDT)		:: Isn't that different from how you portrayed it in your Unknown Menace fanfiction, though? -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 22:06, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

			::: Yeah, just checked and it is different. I guess I've changed my opinion since then :). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 05:51, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

Conrad Gray: /* Secrecy? */

2008-04-16T05:06:47Z

Secrecy?

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	:: I'd still think that they would have eventually to inform the alien presence to every government in the world, or at least to the major participants in regional areas. Can you imagine what North Korea would think if they detected unidentified craft (alien or X-COM) coming from South Korea or Japan? Or Iraq/Iran spotting craft coming from the other country? Unless you informed the participants there would be a strong possibility of military escalation and conflict between those countries. Probably one way to measure this would be the implementation of X-COM bases: as the network expanded across the globe the countries on the area of operations of that base would have to be informed.		:: I'd still think that they would have eventually to inform the alien presence to every government in the world, or at least to the major participants in regional areas. Can you imagine what North Korea would think if they detected unidentified craft (alien or X-COM) coming from South Korea or Japan? Or Iraq/Iran spotting craft coming from the other country? Unless you informed the participants there would be a strong possibility of military escalation and conflict between those countries. Probably one way to measure this would be the implementation of X-COM bases: as the network expanded across the globe the countries on the area of operations of that base would have to be informed.
	:: Another argument is the question of alien infiltration on those countries. Imagine you are Saddam or Kim, and you get this reports of strange planes flying and landing on your territory. You're already paranoid, so this only serves to reinforce your paranoia that something is going on but no one is letting you know what it is. Then a UFO lands on Bagdad or Pyongyang, a Sectoid comes out and says 'take me to your leader' and then tells you that they are from another planet and his race wants to make a deal, offering tech and so on. I'd think that they would jump at that oportunity: they have no idea of the alien's real plans, plus all the major nations decided to cut you out, so you'd want some payback (plus, those alien guns and craft would REALLY be nice to display on your military parades commemorating your birthday). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 17:56, 15 April 2008 (PDT)		:: Another argument is the question of alien infiltration on those countries. Imagine you are Saddam or Kim, and you get this reports of strange planes flying and landing on your territory. You're already paranoid, so this only serves to reinforce your paranoia that something is going on but no one is letting you know what it is. Then a UFO lands on Bagdad or Pyongyang, a Sectoid comes out and says 'take me to your leader' and then tells you that they are from another planet and his race wants to make a deal, offering tech and so on. I'd think that they would jump at that oportunity: they have no idea of the alien's real plans, plus all the major nations decided to cut you out, so you'd want some payback (plus, those alien guns and craft would REALLY be nice to display on your military parades commemorating your birthday). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 17:56, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

			:: Isn't that different from how you portrayed it in your Unknown Menace fanfiction, though? -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 22:06, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Hobbes: /* Secrecy? */

2008-04-16T00:56:01Z

Secrecy?

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	: My issue with that is that it seems unlikely that they would reveal the situation to every unstable undeveloped nation out there or rogue state. I kind of think of X-Com as rather like the Congress of Berlin or Berlin Conference or any of those events in history where the superpowers got together to determine the fate of the world as they sought it. I guess X-Com would notify the nations powerful or developed enough to have a heavy stake in the war, but I think they would selectively pick and choose to tell only certain countries. Who wants Iraq or North Korea or Libya to know what's happening? Certainly there would be a lot of outcry going after an X-Com operation from unnotified authorities, but as long as the major powers have an agreement, I think the CFN would be able to live without everyone knowing. And besides, X-Com has the most sophisticated stealth tech in the world. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 15:41, 15 April 2008 (PDT)		: My issue with that is that it seems unlikely that they would reveal the situation to every unstable undeveloped nation out there or rogue state. I kind of think of X-Com as rather like the Congress of Berlin or Berlin Conference or any of those events in history where the superpowers got together to determine the fate of the world as they sought it. I guess X-Com would notify the nations powerful or developed enough to have a heavy stake in the war, but I think they would selectively pick and choose to tell only certain countries. Who wants Iraq or North Korea or Libya to know what's happening? Certainly there would be a lot of outcry going after an X-Com operation from unnotified authorities, but as long as the major powers have an agreement, I think the CFN would be able to live without everyone knowing. And besides, X-Com has the most sophisticated stealth tech in the world. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 15:41, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

			:: I'd still think that they would have eventually to inform the alien presence to every government in the world, or at least to the major participants in regional areas. Can you imagine what North Korea would think if they detected unidentified craft (alien or X-COM) coming from South Korea or Japan? Or Iraq/Iran spotting craft coming from the other country? Unless you informed the participants there would be a strong possibility of military escalation and conflict between those countries. Probably one way to measure this would be the implementation of X-COM bases: as the network expanded across the globe the countries on the area of operations of that base would have to be informed.
			:: Another argument is the question of alien infiltration on those countries. Imagine you are Saddam or Kim, and you get this reports of strange planes flying and landing on your territory. You're already paranoid, so this only serves to reinforce your paranoia that something is going on but no one is letting you know what it is. Then a UFO lands on Bagdad or Pyongyang, a Sectoid comes out and says 'take me to your leader' and then tells you that they are from another planet and his race wants to make a deal, offering tech and so on. I'd think that they would jump at that oportunity: they have no idea of the alien's real plans, plus all the major nations decided to cut you out, so you'd want some payback (plus, those alien guns and craft would REALLY be nice to display on your military parades commemorating your birthday). - [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 17:56, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Conrad Gray: /* Secrecy? */

2008-04-15T22:41:17Z

Secrecy?

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	::Of course only a select few within each government and military would be aware of the true situation. In fact you might have one part of a government trying to cover up the alien menace, while another agency of the same government was working to uncover what was going on. The truth is out there. :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:34, 15 April 2008 (PDT)		::Of course only a select few within each government and military would be aware of the true situation. In fact you might have one part of a government trying to cover up the alien menace, while another agency of the same government was working to uncover what was going on. The truth is out there. :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:34, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

			: My issue with that is that it seems unlikely that they would reveal the situation to every unstable undeveloped nation out there or rogue state. I kind of think of X-Com as rather like the Congress of Berlin or Berlin Conference or any of those events in history where the superpowers got together to determine the fate of the world as they sought it. I guess X-Com would notify the nations powerful or developed enough to have a heavy stake in the war, but I think they would selectively pick and choose to tell only certain countries. Who wants Iraq or North Korea or Libya to know what's happening? Certainly there would be a lot of outcry going after an X-Com operation from unnotified authorities, but as long as the major powers have an agreement, I think the CFN would be able to live without everyone knowing. And besides, X-Com has the most sophisticated stealth tech in the world. -[[User:Conrad Gray\|Conrad Gray]] 15:41, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Spike: /* Secrecy? */

2008-04-15T22:34:42Z

Secrecy?

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	:I would presume they'd all know. There is simply no way to hide the war from anyone with effective radar or aircraft. Nor is there a way to hide the battles occuring in populated areas without the help of the local government.--[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 14:42, 15 April 2008 (PDT)		:I would presume they'd all know. There is simply no way to hide the war from anyone with effective radar or aircraft. Nor is there a way to hide the battles occuring in populated areas without the help of the local government.--[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 14:42, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

			::Agreed. All significant governments would be in on the cover-up, with the common goal of preventing civilian panic from forcing their hand. Whether the goal of a government was to collaborate with aliens, to fight them, to sit on the fence, or to wait and see, they wouldn't want public hysteria forcing the agenda. The international control of X-Com and its regulation by some kind of treaty is an important safeguard, otherwise as Conrad Gray says the non-participating governments would be alarmed and see it as a threat. Also as we know X-Com is capped at 250 armed agents and an absolute maximum of 64 aircraft. As long as X-Com has only conventional weapons it's not much of a threat to a government.

			::Of course only a select few within each government and military would be aware of the true situation. In fact you might have one part of a government trying to cover up the alien menace, while another agency of the same government was working to uncover what was going on. The truth is out there. :) [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 15:34, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Spike: tidy up

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tidy up

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	[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:30, 11 March 2008 (PDT)		[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 16:30, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

			=Further Discussion=

	== Countries withdrawing from the CFN ==		== Countries withdrawing from the CFN ==