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KayDat: /* Chryssalid speed IRL */

2023-08-02T02:36:18Z

Chryssalid speed IRL

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	Building on the discussion on turn length in [[User_talk:Danial#User_Commentary_2\|Danial's User talk]], if a turn length is estimated to be 5 seconds, one square being 1 meter, an 80TU soldier has a "speed [of] 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph". Given a Chryssalid of 120TU is 50% faster, this makes it dash at nearly 22km/h or 14mi/h. For comparison, imagine trying to outrun someone on a bicycle!		Building on the discussion on turn length in [[User_talk:Danial#User_Commentary_2\|Danial's User talk]], if a turn length is estimated to be 5 seconds, one square being 1 meter, an 80TU soldier has a "speed [of] 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph". Given a Chryssalid of 120TU is 50% faster, this makes it dash at nearly 22km/h or 14mi/h. For comparison, imagine trying to outrun someone on a bicycle!
	[[User:KayDat\|KayDat]] ([[User talk:KayDat\|talk]]) 04:35, 2 August 2023 (CEST)		--[[User:KayDat\|KayDat]] ([[User talk:KayDat\|talk]]) 04:35, 2 August 2023 (CEST)

KayDat: /* Chryssalid speed IRL */ new section

2023-08-02T02:35:49Z

Chryssalid speed IRL: new section

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	:I think I did some more current tests somewhere and found the cost was 14 TU. Can't remember where I put that data though. In any case, it's funny that I ran across this as today I was wondering if the cost is percentage-based. It's certainly possible, but needs more testing. For now, I put an asterisk next to the cost until this is sorted out. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:15, 22 April 2008 (PDT)		:I think I did some more current tests somewhere and found the cost was 14 TU. Can't remember where I put that data though. In any case, it's funny that I ran across this as today I was wondering if the cost is percentage-based. It's certainly possible, but needs more testing. For now, I put an asterisk next to the cost until this is sorted out. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:15, 22 April 2008 (PDT)

			== Chryssalid speed IRL ==

			Building on the discussion on turn length in [[User_talk:Danial#User_Commentary_2\|Danial's User talk]], if a turn length is estimated to be 5 seconds, one square being 1 meter, an 80TU soldier has a "speed [of] 20m/5 sec. This is a speed of 14.4kmh- just shy of 9mph". Given a Chryssalid of 120TU is 50% faster, this makes it dash at nearly 22km/h or 14mi/h. For comparison, imagine trying to outrun someone on a bicycle!
			[[User:KayDat\|KayDat]] ([[User talk:KayDat\|talk]]) 04:35, 2 August 2023 (CEST)

Spike: reorg, deleted some old stuff, moved other old stuff, remove it?

2010-10-06T21:41:08Z

reorg, deleted some old stuff, moved other old stuff, remove it?

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Spike: New section: Dead Man Grenades

2010-10-06T21:36:01Z

New section: Dead Man Grenades

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	[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:02, 27 February 2009 (CST)		[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:02, 27 February 2009 (CST)

			== Dead Man Grenades ==

			(moved from Known Bugs)



			...a "dead man's switch" tactic that can be used against Chryssalids/Tentaculats:

			* Soldier carries one or more primed explosives.
			* Soldier is turned into a Zombie.
			* Equipment is dropped to the ground.
			* First explosive goes off, killing the Zombie (and damaging or perhaps killing the offending Chryssalid/Tentaculat, if it's still nearby).
			* Possibly the second explosive goes off, hopefully killing the newly hatched Chryssalid.

			(For the 2nd explosive to go off, you need to be playing TFTD or using a patch in XCOM:EU. In unpatched XCOM:EU, an explosion destroys other nearby explosives that are on the ground, and so there is no way to cause secondary explosions / chain reactions.)

			So when you enter an area with high risk of Chryssalid/Tentaculat attacks (terror site or Terror ship/Battleship crash site), have every soldier arm an explosive which serves as a dead man's switch to damage Chryssalids/Tentaculats. You lose a soldier or two, but hopefully the aliens don't gain anything and there's one less candidate for zombification (and, if you are lucky, one less Chryssalid if it was around the victim when the grenades exploded).

			A standard Grenade is unlikely to kill a Zombie or especially a Chrysallid. So if possible use Alien Grenades or, better, High Explosive. You need an HE Pack to have a decent chance (50/50) to kill a Zombie, and even with an HE Pack you will be lucky to kill a Chrysallid. Two standard Grenades could also kill a Zombie (50/50) but not do too much to a Chrysallid, due to its strong under armour. Tentaculats are easier to kill due to weak under armour, so a Sonic Pulser is a 50/50 kill and a Magna Pack better than evens to kill.

			Nonetheless, even if you don't kill them, you can do them some harm and soften them up. Beware of collateral damage if your troops are bunched up. Also keep in mind you will lose some of your own equipment by using this tactic.

			== Comments ==

			I tried this tactic and it does not seem to work. As I noted above in my edits (re types of explosives and chance to kill), you would need to be carrying an HE pack rather than a primed grenade for this to have much chance of killing the Zombie.

			One thing that does help with this tactic - if it's true that zeroing out the under armour on the Zombie will lead to the Chryssalid also having zero under armour, then that does mean you might do some significant damage to the Chryssalid with ''additional'' explosions. You would need a patched version of XCOM:EU for this though. And you would still need a further 2 standard Grenades to kill the Chryssalid, even with zero under armour.

			More to the point, if the basic tactic of killing the Zombie ''did' work, all you've done is turned a containable Zombie, that you can kill at the time and place of your choosing, into a highly dangerous Chryssalid that can run all over your squad wreaking havoc. Genius move!

			In conclusion, this tactic probably doesn't work, and if it did work, it would be a really bad idea. Thoughts? [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 17:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

NKF: /* Top Ten Monsters (Gamespot) */

2010-08-04T10:54:55Z

Top Ten Monsters (Gamespot)

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	:Those suckers can scare the hell out of me. Particularly when they sneak up behind you and scream in your ear right before smacking you with a pipe. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 11:00, 8 May 2008 (PDT)		:Those suckers can scare the hell out of me. Particularly when they sneak up behind you and scream in your ear right before smacking you with a pipe. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 11:00, 8 May 2008 (PDT)

			----

			Does anyone have a concise list of all the awards or ranks this guy has managed to achieve at these various game magazines? It might be worth chronicling this chap's achievements in the actual article. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 06:54, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

	== Hatch preventing and Notes ==		== Hatch preventing and Notes ==

Jasonred: /* Hatch preventing and Notes */

2009-03-01T00:13:42Z

Hatch preventing and Notes

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	:I'm sure he meant "the corpse left behind when a Zombie dies", not an actual Zombie corpse. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 17:23, 28 February 2009 (CST)		:I'm sure he meant "the corpse left behind when a Zombie dies", not an actual Zombie corpse. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 17:23, 28 February 2009 (CST)

			:: Why would you want to destroy such a corpse anyhow? ... Sigh. Spike missed the point of the original post, and I suspect I am completely blind to whatever point he was trying to make. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 18:13, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =		= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =

Zombie: /* Hatch preventing and Notes */ Reply.

2009-02-28T23:23:47Z

Hatch preventing and Notes: Reply.

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	:: I know, which is why I'm so confused about Spike's point 1, above. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 15:02, 28 February 2009 (CST)		:: I know, which is why I'm so confused about Spike's point 1, above. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 15:02, 28 February 2009 (CST)

			:I'm sure he meant "the corpse left behind when a Zombie dies", not an actual Zombie corpse. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 17:23, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =		= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =

Jasonred at 21:02, 28 February 2009

2009-02-28T21:02:40Z

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	:Zombies leave Chryssalid corpses when killed with Incendiary rounds. There isn't a Zombie corpse in the BIGOBS, but the unit uses a Chryssalid corpse on the battlescape. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 12:18, 28 February 2009 (CST)		:Zombies leave Chryssalid corpses when killed with Incendiary rounds. There isn't a Zombie corpse in the BIGOBS, but the unit uses a Chryssalid corpse on the battlescape. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 12:18, 28 February 2009 (CST)

			:: I know, which is why I'm so confused about Spike's point 1, above. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 15:02, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =		= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =

Zombie: /* Hatch preventing and Notes */ Mention about corpses and Zombies.

2009-02-28T18:18:02Z

Hatch preventing and Notes: Mention about corpses and Zombies.

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	:: Zombies leave corpses? I don't recall ever seeing a zombie corpse, actually. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:25, 28 February 2009 (CST)		:: Zombies leave corpses? I don't recall ever seeing a zombie corpse, actually. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:25, 28 February 2009 (CST)

			:Zombies leave Chryssalid corpses when killed with Incendiary rounds. There isn't a Zombie corpse in the BIGOBS, but the unit uses a Chryssalid corpse on the battlescape. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 12:18, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =		= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =

Spike: /* Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids */ spelling mistake

2009-02-28T17:53:58Z

Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids: spelling mistake

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	:: Zombies leave corpses? I don't recall ever seeing a zombie corpse, actually. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:25, 28 February 2009 (CST)		:: Zombies leave corpses? I don't recall ever seeing a zombie corpse, actually. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:25, 28 February 2009 (CST)

	= Weapon Rankings Vs. ~~Chrysalids~~ =		= Weapon Rankings Vs. Chryssalids =

	%TUs per kill (average; FA=50):		%TUs per kill (average; FA=50):

	(NB there are various other considerations apart from firepower when killing ~~Chrysallids~~).		(NB there are various other considerations apart from firepower when killing Chryssallids).

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