Talk:Celatid - Revision history

Spike: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-17T09:47:53Z

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	:::Not an error - just flavour text to add more to the mythos, like the Chryssalid and its '20' eggs. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 01:32, 17 October 2012 (EDT)		:::Not an error - just flavour text to add more to the mythos, like the Chryssalid and its '20' eggs. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 01:32, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

			:::: You're right. And actually the Ufopaedia scientist reports on all aliens seem obsessed with reproduction and reproductive organs (!), but clearly in almost every case (bar one) the scientists are not talking about reproduction during the tactical timescale. It's more of a strategic concern for XCOM I think, and a valid one. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 05:47, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

NKF: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-17T05:32:41Z

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	:: Yes I realise my test didn't control well for if they just spotted me through the XComUtil created portholes in the Skyranger. My main focus was on seeing if they would spawn (they didn't). May try again with the modded Lightning, and possibly real Celatids if I can find them. Or I might just accept the received wisdom - and write it up as a Ufopaedia error. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Yes I realise my test didn't control well for if they just spotted me through the XComUtil created portholes in the Skyranger. My main focus was on seeing if they would spawn (they didn't). May try again with the modded Lightning, and possibly real Celatids if I can find them. Or I might just accept the received wisdom - and write it up as a Ufopaedia error. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

			:::Not an error - just flavour text to add more to the mythos, like the Chryssalid and its '20' eggs. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] 01:32, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Spike: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-16T16:21:37Z

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	: They don't exhibit any of that at all. The mention of Celatids sensing by brainwaves may just be psuedo sci-fi way of explaining how they can see nearby targets even though they don't have sensory organs. Also it might also be a subtle hint at the 20-turn free look all the aliens get, which would cause them to head directly to (until they forget naturally) you even if you were well hidden for a very long time. You could try it with the Lightning, and Zombie's Lightning mod that truly solidifies its walls. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:50, 16 October 2012 (EDT)		: They don't exhibit any of that at all. The mention of Celatids sensing by brainwaves may just be psuedo sci-fi way of explaining how they can see nearby targets even though they don't have sensory organs. Also it might also be a subtle hint at the 20-turn free look all the aliens get, which would cause them to head directly to (until they forget naturally) you even if you were well hidden for a very long time. You could try it with the Lightning, and Zombie's Lightning mod that truly solidifies its walls. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:50, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

	: : Yes I realise my test didn't control well for if they just spotted me through the XComUtil created portholes in the Skyranger. My main focus was on seeing if they would spawn (they didn't). May try again with the modded Lightning, and possibly real Celatids if I can find them. Or I might just accept the received wisdom - and write it up as a Ufopaedia error. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:20, 16 October 2012 (EDT)		:: Yes I realise my test didn't control well for if they just spotted me through the XComUtil created portholes in the Skyranger. My main focus was on seeing if they would spawn (they didn't). May try again with the modded Lightning, and possibly real Celatids if I can find them. Or I might just accept the received wisdom - and write it up as a Ufopaedia error. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:21, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Spike: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-16T16:20:50Z

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	: They don't exhibit any of that at all. The mention of Celatids sensing by brainwaves may just be psuedo sci-fi way of explaining how they can see nearby targets even though they don't have sensory organs. Also it might also be a subtle hint at the 20-turn free look all the aliens get, which would cause them to head directly to (until they forget naturally) you even if you were well hidden for a very long time. You could try it with the Lightning, and Zombie's Lightning mod that truly solidifies its walls. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:50, 16 October 2012 (EDT)		: They don't exhibit any of that at all. The mention of Celatids sensing by brainwaves may just be psuedo sci-fi way of explaining how they can see nearby targets even though they don't have sensory organs. Also it might also be a subtle hint at the 20-turn free look all the aliens get, which would cause them to head directly to (until they forget naturally) you even if you were well hidden for a very long time. You could try it with the Lightning, and Zombie's Lightning mod that truly solidifies its walls. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:50, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

			: : Yes I realise my test didn't control well for if they just spotted me through the XComUtil created portholes in the Skyranger. My main focus was on seeing if they would spawn (they didn't). May try again with the modded Lightning, and possibly real Celatids if I can find them. Or I might just accept the received wisdom - and write it up as a Ufopaedia error. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 12:20, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

NKF: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-16T04:50:46Z

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	[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 23:56, 15 October 2012 (EDT)		[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 23:56, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

			: They don't exhibit any of that at all. The mention of Celatids sensing by brainwaves may just be psuedo sci-fi way of explaining how they can see nearby targets even though they don't have sensory organs. Also it might also be a subtle hint at the 20-turn free look all the aliens get, which would cause them to head directly to (until they forget naturally) you even if you were well hidden for a very long time. You could try it with the Lightning, and Zombie's Lightning mod that truly solidifies its walls. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 00:50, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Spike: /* Brain Waves and Embryos */

2012-10-16T03:56:02Z

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			== Brain Waves and Embryos ==

			I did a test for 40 turns with 20 Celatids and did not see any of them spawn new Celatids nor any other form of new unit or object. The test included leaving them alone, stunning some of them, eventually killing all of them - but no spawning effect.

			However there did seem to be some evidence of the brain wave effect, as the Celatids quickly formed a semi circle around the ramp of the Skyranger, even though I had moved all 8 soldiers to the back, out of sight except from more or less straight ahead.

			As a caveat, these tests were done using XComUtil to add the Celatids. Also it would be better to test the brain wave theory using a transport that has doors that close and so can block line of sight...

			[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 23:56, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

N: New section: Bugs and stuff

2010-08-17T11:30:58Z

New section: Bugs and stuff

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	[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:15, 27 February 2009 (CST)		[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:15, 27 February 2009 (CST)

			== Bugs and stuff ==

			Whenever I MC a Celatid and move it, I get explosion sounds (for every tile it moves). Any way to fix this?

			Also, I saw a Celatid clone itself once (with the same "bag" on the ground as shown under a living specimen in Ufopaedia), but it was years ago and I don't even know if it was CE or regular DOS one.

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Spike: New section: Weapon Rankings Vs. Celatids

2009-02-28T03:15:37Z

New section: Weapon Rankings Vs. Celatids

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	I think I may have discovered an exploit, though I am not one hundred percent sure about it yet. Okay, here it goes: if you equip a Celatid with any ranged weapon, it will break its accuracy-spitting-targetting-thingy, causing it to miss every attack. If this proves to be true, one could give the flying livers a Heavy Plasma for target practise without risk, eliminating the need to carry pistols in the process (at least into Muton missions).--[[User:Trotsky\|Trotsky]] 00:12, 18 July 2006 (PDT)		I think I may have discovered an exploit, though I am not one hundred percent sure about it yet. Okay, here it goes: if you equip a Celatid with any ranged weapon, it will break its accuracy-spitting-targetting-thingy, causing it to miss every attack. If this proves to be true, one could give the flying livers a Heavy Plasma for target practise without risk, eliminating the need to carry pistols in the process (at least into Muton missions).--[[User:Trotsky\|Trotsky]] 00:12, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

			== Weapon Rankings Vs. Celatids ==

			%TUs per kill (average; FA=50):

			HvyPlas 33
			Blast Bmb 38
			Stun Rod 44
			PlasmaR 48
			HE Pack(XCU) 58
			HvyLas (XCU) 59
			PlasmaP 80
			LaserR 80
			HE Pack 116
			HvyLas 136
			LaserP 144
			RocketLg 148
			Alien Grd 149
			Stun Bmb 174
			HC - AP 198
			Prox Grd 209
			RocketSm 215
			AC - AP 232
			HC - HE 234
			AC - HE 236
			Rifle 340
			Grenade 349
			Pistol 414


			[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 21:15, 27 February 2009 (CST)

Trotsky at 07:12, 18 July 2006

2006-07-18T07:12:13Z

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	Any other questions in this area? I probably have answers. Some of this info may need to be moved into the relevant areas when this discussion is finished.--[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 21:54, 11 June 2006 (PDT)		Any other questions in this area? I probably have answers. Some of this info may need to be moved into the relevant areas when this discussion is finished.--[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 21:54, 11 June 2006 (PDT)



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			I think I may have discovered an exploit, though I am not one hundred percent sure about it yet. Okay, here it goes: if you equip a Celatid with any ranged weapon, it will break its accuracy-spitting-targetting-thingy, causing it to miss every attack. If this proves to be true, one could give the flying livers a Heavy Plasma for target practise without risk, eliminating the need to carry pistols in the process (at least into Muton missions).--[[User:Trotsky\|Trotsky]] 00:12, 18 July 2006 (PDT)

Zombie: Reply, and helped NKF's reply out a bit. :)

2006-06-12T04:54:14Z

Reply, and helped NKF's reply out a bit. :)

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	They are stored in blocks of 14 values. 1 unknown or base value and the 13 unit types in the game. It looks like:		They are stored in blocks of 14 values. 1 unknown or base value and the 13 unit types in the game. It looks like:

	0 - Unknown(possibly baseline?)		0 - Unknown(possibly baseline?)
	1 - Soldier, civilian, sectoid, celatid, floater		1 - Soldier, civilian, sectoid, celatid, floater
	2 - Personal armour		2 - Personal armour
	3 - Power suit/flying suit		3 - Power suit/flying suit
	4 - Tanks/hovertanks		4 - Tanks/hovertanks
	5 - Snakemen		5 - Snakemen
	6 - Etherael		6 - Etherael
	7 - Muton		7 - Muton
	8 - Silacoid		8 - Silacoid
	9 - Chryssalid		9 - Chryssalid
	10 - Reaper		10 - Reaper
	11 - Sectopod		11 - Sectopod
	12 - Cyberdisc		12 - Cyberdisc
	13 - Zombie		13 - Zombie

	Each block is ordered in AP, incendiary, explosive, laser, plasma, stun, melee and acid spit.		Each block is ordered in AP, incendiary, explosive, laser, plasma, stun, melee and acid spit.

	You can send your thanks to Zombie for looking up these values and confirming them against the OSG. Everything's jake.		You can send your thanks to Zombie for looking up these values and confirming them against the OSG. Everything's jake.
			- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]

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			In response to Ethereal Cereal's questions about melee, I'll try my best to explain it. Pulling from my tests in damage modifiers, HTH-only aliens have a strength = melee damage. It's true. Also, the same strength nember is considered to be the base accuracy of the HTH weapon. Multiply this by melee accuracy of the alien and you get the base chance to hit the target. (It's the same principal as weapon accuracy. Weapon accuracy * Soldier FA = Base chance to hit).

			All melee attacks require 15 TU as I reported in [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=746&view=findpost&p=57329 this] post. I also changed the numbers in the wiki to match, so if you still see some listed as 14, go ahead and change them. (The reason why I originally said 14 TU was because I was using the Playstation to test. It's very hard to nail down an exact number in the PSX version since you cannot edit the game files. The computer versions allow more flexibility in this area and thus an accurate value could be determined).

			While on the same subject, Psi-enabled aliens require 26 TU for one attack. It's a fixed cost just like melee and doesn't change if the aliens stats change or by difficulty level. See [http://www.strategycore.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=746&view=findpost&p=57497 this] post at the StrategyCore forums.

	- [[User:~~NKF~~\|~~NKF~~]]		Any other questions in this area? I probably have answers. Some of this info may need to be moved into the relevant areas when this discussion is finished.--[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 21:54, 11 June 2006 (PDT)