Talk:Alien Stats - Revision history

MikeTheRed: /* Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon */

2009-07-11T03:33:25Z

Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon

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	Getting hit with MC on turn 1 is possible, but there are probably a lot of factors which influence the aliens use of it. My tests had soldiers with no MC ability yet and were total cowards. I believe I was playing on Superhuman too, where the aliens can be real pricks about using MC right at the start of the mission. So there's no mistake, the proof is in the pudding. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 20:57, 9 July 2009 (EDT)		Getting hit with MC on turn 1 is possible, but there are probably a lot of factors which influence the aliens use of it. My tests had soldiers with no MC ability yet and were total cowards. I believe I was playing on Superhuman too, where the aliens can be real pricks about using MC right at the start of the mission. So there's no mistake, the proof is in the pudding. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 20:57, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

			:Just to make sure I'm reading this right: They see you, even if they haven't seen you? (Even if you never stepped out of the landing craft, and no alien was in a position to see you.) -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 23:33, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Zombie: /* Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon */ Reply.

2009-07-10T00:57:30Z

Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon: Reply.

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	:: Really? I thought that after turn 20 it turned in PERMA-reveal? It's merely re-reveal? Cool. Umm. But... I don't recall my team getting hit with mind control when I leave everyone on the transport on turn 1, so surely there must be some mistake here. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 07:41, 9 July 2009 (EDT)		:: Really? I thought that after turn 20 it turned in PERMA-reveal? It's merely re-reveal? Cool. Umm. But... I don't recall my team getting hit with mind control when I leave everyone on the transport on turn 1, so surely there must be some mistake here. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 07:41, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

			Getting hit with MC on turn 1 is possible, but there are probably a lot of factors which influence the aliens use of it. My tests had soldiers with no MC ability yet and were total cowards. I believe I was playing on Superhuman too, where the aliens can be real pricks about using MC right at the start of the mission. So there's no mistake, the proof is in the pudding. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 20:57, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Jasonred: /* Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon */

2009-07-09T11:41:03Z

Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon

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	That's what I believe happens. It needs to be tested though, so if I get some time tonight or this weekend I'll do a little more editing. </blockquote>		That's what I believe happens. It needs to be tested though, so if I get some time tonight or this weekend I'll do a little more editing. </blockquote>

			:: Really? I thought that after turn 20 it turned in PERMA-reveal? It's merely re-reveal? Cool. Umm. But... I don't recall my team getting hit with mind control when I leave everyone on the transport on turn 1, so surely there must be some mistake here. [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 07:41, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

JellyfishGreen: New section: Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon

2009-07-09T09:34:38Z

New section: Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon

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	Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]		Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

			== Intelligence and the Turn 20 Free Look Phenomenon ==

			QUOTE (Zombie @ Jan 16 2009, 06:31 PM)
			<blockquote>Here's what happens: at the beginning of a mission (turn 0), the aliens know the stats and locations of all your troops. (I just tested this again to be sure: edited 10 Sectoid Leaders and 10 Commanders to be on a Large Scout, then edited my soldiers to have 10 Bravery and 0 for Psi Strength and Psi Skill. On the aliens first turn, half my troops were under control by them). The aliens have an intelligence stat which allows them to remember the stats and locations of your troops, and the higher the number the longer they remember. For aliens, that number is between 2 and 8 (which translates to a 2-8 round memory). After that time period is up and the alien doesn't see any of your units, it's memory is wiped clean and is basically blind and has to search for more targets.

			This changes when one of [these] conditions happens.
			* If you kill all the aliens except for two (or one, it doesn't matter) then the aliens are granted the omnipotent power to see the stats and locations of your troops again (hence why I said "re-reveal" in my previous post).
			* Or, if it hits turn 20 and there are still aliens left on the map, they get a free look around. <br> In either case, the aliens use their intelligence stat yet again to remember what was shown to them. After this time period is up, the aliens will be totally blind because there are no more "free-looks" coded into the executable. So if you can last this long and remain hidden, the remaining aliens are going to have to search for you which may take a while.

			That's what I believe happens. It needs to be tested though, so if I get some time tonight or this weekend I'll do a little more editing. </blockquote>

Zombie: Talk:Alien Stats (UFO Defense) moved to Talk:Alien Stats

2007-02-01T22:30:28Z

Talk:Alien Stats (UFO Defense) moved to Talk:Alien Stats

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Ethereal Cereal: /* Future Work */

2006-05-13T22:44:24Z

Future Work

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	Well, I have all the necessary data compiled and ready. All that is left is to iron out some minor details. So keep your eyes peeled, help is on its way. :) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 00:32, 20 December 2005 (PST)		Well, I have all the necessary data compiled and ready. All that is left is to iron out some minor details. So keep your eyes peeled, help is on its way. :) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 00:32, 20 December 2005 (PST)

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			Hi, Zombie, can I urge you to release your data, even in raw form? It's info the wiki is sorely lacking, and I don't want to have to repeat your efforts and gather the data myself. --[[User:Ethereal Cereal\|Ethereal Cereal]] 15:44, 13 May 2006 (PDT)

	== P.S. Re: Tanks ==		== P.S. Re: Tanks ==

	Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]		Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

Zombie: /* Future Work */

2005-12-20T08:32:43Z

Future Work

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	I don't have anything useful to add to this discussion, but I'll say one thing: the best way to get this hammered out is probably to put the best version you have up and let the criticism come in. It can always be edited later. Things tend to hang around in limbo indefinately if you try to make the first version absolutely perfect.		I don't have anything useful to add to this discussion, but I'll say one thing: the best way to get this hammered out is probably to put the best version you have up and let the criticism come in. It can always be edited later. Things tend to hang around in limbo indefinately if you try to make the first version absolutely perfect.

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			Well, I have all the necessary data compiled and ready. All that is left is to iron out some minor details. So keep your eyes peeled, help is on its way. :) --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 00:32, 20 December 2005 (PST)

	== P.S. Re: Tanks ==		== P.S. Re: Tanks ==

	Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]		Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

Papa Legba at 07:52, 20 December 2005

2005-12-20T07:52:45Z

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	== Future Work ==		== Future Work ==
	Things seem to be falling together, especially with Danial's findings. However, Danial did a quick and dirty analysis (personal comm.), and of course everything can be worked into a user friendly way, given time. Both Danial and I have only been able to comment on Geo and OSG - we await Z's findings dearly. As stated above, there are discrepancies between Geo and OSG, and while we assume Geo is correct, is it really? Only troops on the ground, fighting it out street to street, can say for sure. This is a common hazard for the military; the real world versus training docs, in 1000 AD, 2000 AD, or 3000 AD. ---[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 20:28, 11 Nov 2005 (PST)		Things seem to be falling together, especially with Danial's findings. However, Danial did a quick and dirty analysis (personal comm.), and of course everything can be worked into a user friendly way, given time. Both Danial and I have only been able to comment on Geo and OSG - we await Z's findings dearly. As stated above, there are discrepancies between Geo and OSG, and while we assume Geo is correct, is it really? Only troops on the ground, fighting it out street to street, can say for sure. This is a common hazard for the military; the real world versus training docs, in 1000 AD, 2000 AD, or 3000 AD. ---[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]] 20:28, 11 Nov 2005 (PST)

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			I don't have anything useful to add to this discussion, but I'll say one thing: the best way to get this hammered out is probably to put the best version you have up and let the criticism come in. It can always be edited later. Things tend to hang around in limbo indefinately if you try to make the first version absolutely perfect.

	== P.S. Re: Tanks ==		== P.S. Re: Tanks ==

	Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]		Ok, I've cleaned this out... there was nothing much to see here, except the fact that XcomUtil messed with my tank stats, laugh. Thanks to Hobbes, EsTeR, and Danial for setting me straight -[[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]

Papa Legba: Talk:Alien Stats moved to Talk:Alien Stats (UFO Defense)

2005-12-12T19:38:11Z

Talk:Alien Stats moved to Talk:Alien Stats (UFO Defense)

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Papa Legba: Pulled out my comments re: Alien Overview

2005-12-12T06:06:03Z

Pulled out my comments re: Alien Overview

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 The stats that do seem to change across skill level are TU, Stamina, Reactions, FA, Strength and Psi Str. For aliens with Psi abilities, their Psi Skill also increases. (This coincides with the OSG from TFTD). Oh, yeah. CCBA also increases (Close Combat Base Accuracy) Hope this helps. I'm just dumping stuff here to hit the most asked questions. --[[User:Zombie|Zombie]] 17:03, 11 Nov 2005 (PST)
 That sounds like a great idea, Papa Legba. It's just as important as a listing of numbers - because it's just as important to help newbies, as it is to have advanced stuff. In fact, I suggest putting your info on the page before the listing of numbers... introductory stuff before advanced stuff. Why not copy it on over and get the page started? Otherwise we're waiting for Zombie to finalize his alien stats, which should be soon. Then we'll add that. -[[User:MikeTheRed|MikeTheRed]]