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Magic9mushroom: /* Megaspawn's Launcher */

2020-07-21T07:04:15Z

Megaspawn's Launcher

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	I've been fighting Megaspawn and have definitely seen them fire their Launchers point-blank. They can't seem to hit you this way, though, as the missile just flies past you before it can lock on (I think this happens to all rocket-type projectiles). I have also seen one kill itself - it fired a missile at my agent two spaces away and got caught in the blast (it was already badly wounded). [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 06:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)		I've been fighting Megaspawn and have definitely seen them fire their Launchers point-blank. They can't seem to hit you this way, though, as the missile just flies past you before it can lock on (I think this happens to all rocket-type projectiles). I have also seen one kill itself - it fired a missile at my agent two spaces away and got caught in the blast (it was already badly wounded). [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 06:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

			:So have I; I think I was going off hearsay at the time. I've also seen them hit at point-blank. I have seen them run away, but now that I think about it I've seen that from others as well. I'll remove the mention. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 07:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Darkpast: /* Megaspawn's Launcher */ new section

2020-07-21T06:48:12Z

Megaspawn's Launcher: new section

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	Human forces		Human forces
	Obviously, these are not aliens, but you may end up fighting them anyway (specifically, if you investigate a building owned by a hostile organisation, if you raid a building, or if an organisation raids an X-Com base). As with Anthropods and Skeletoids, these are tool-users (obviously) and their threat level depends entirely on their gear - most human guns are fairly ineffective against Megapol Armor, but humans with Marsec Heavy Launchers or Devastator Cannons are a very different kettle of fish (note that human enemies are more accurate than Anthropods or Skeletoids). In the final stretch, they'll even acquire Personal Disruptor Shields and Personal Cloaking Fields, which given their resistance to the Toxigun makes them among the most resilient of opponents (they also tend to be found in huge numbers). On the plus side, they cannot fly and will never get access to the horrifying Entropy Launcher.		Obviously, these are not aliens, but you may end up fighting them anyway (specifically, if you investigate a building owned by a hostile organisation, if you raid a building, or if an organisation raids an X-Com base). As with Anthropods and Skeletoids, these are tool-users (obviously) and their threat level depends entirely on their gear - most human guns are fairly ineffective against Megapol Armor, but humans with Marsec Heavy Launchers or Devastator Cannons are a very different kettle of fish (note that human enemies are more accurate than Anthropods or Skeletoids). In the final stretch, they'll even acquire Personal Disruptor Shields and Personal Cloaking Fields, which given their resistance to the Toxigun makes them among the most resilient of opponents (they also tend to be found in huge numbers). On the plus side, they cannot fly and will never get access to the horrifying Entropy Launcher.

			== Megaspawn's Launcher ==

			I've been fighting Megaspawn and have definitely seen them fire their Launchers point-blank. They can't seem to hit you this way, though, as the missile just flies past you before it can lock on (I think this happens to all rocket-type projectiles). I have also seen one kill itself - it fired a missile at my agent two spaces away and got caught in the blast (it was already badly wounded). [[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast\|talk]]) 06:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Makus at 16:23, 2 July 2020

2020-07-02T16:23:53Z

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	== I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack ==		== I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack ==

	I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids, and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack.		I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids, and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack.
			Beacose this makes the player's perception of the game more diverse and not so lopsided and simplified, because in each good plot there should be exceptions and ambiguous elements that make the player think
	Also, we know, there is "blue rain" https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Infiltration_(Apocalypse) that possible is micronoid rain?		Also, we know, there is "blue rain" https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Infiltration_(Apocalypse) that possible is micronoid rain?

Makus: /* I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack */ new section

2020-07-02T16:22:56Z

I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack: new section

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	Any better now? :P [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 14:17, 21 August 2018 (CEST)		Any better now? :P [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 14:17, 21 August 2018 (CEST)

			== I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack ==

			I think Darkpast right idea to add Humans who infected by micronoids, and why not mention humans whounder psionic atack.
			Also, we know, there is "blue rain" https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Infiltration_(Apocalypse) that possible is micronoid rain?

			Beacose this makes the player's perception of the game more diverse and not so lopsided and simplified, because in each good plot there should be exceptions and ambiguous elements that make the player think

			Human forces
			Obviously, these are not aliens, but you may end up fighting them anyway (specifically, if you investigate a building owned by a hostile organisation, if you raid a building, or if an organisation raids an X-Com base). As with Anthropods and Skeletoids, these are tool-users (obviously) and their threat level depends entirely on their gear - most human guns are fairly ineffective against Megapol Armor, but humans with Marsec Heavy Launchers or Devastator Cannons are a very different kettle of fish (note that human enemies are more accurate than Anthropods or Skeletoids). In the final stretch, they'll even acquire Personal Disruptor Shields and Personal Cloaking Fields, which given their resistance to the Toxigun makes them among the most resilient of opponents (they also tend to be found in huge numbers). On the plus side, they cannot fly and will never get access to the horrifying Entropy Launcher.

Magic9mushroom: /* Should we sort this page differently? */

2018-08-21T12:17:04Z

Should we sort this page differently?

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	: General order of appearance sounds good to me. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 08:59, 21 August 2018 (CEST)		: General order of appearance sounds good to me. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 08:59, 21 August 2018 (CEST)

			Any better now? :P [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 14:17, 21 August 2018 (CEST)

NKF: /* Should we sort this page differently? */

2018-08-21T06:59:08Z

Should we sort this page differently?

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	Order of appearance, then? That's Brainsucker/Anthropod (initial random aliens), Egg/Multiworm/Hyperworm/Spitter (Scout Ship drop), Popper/Chrysalis (Transporter/Fast Attack Ship in week 2), Skeletoid (Assault Ship in week 3), Micronoid Aggregate (Bomber in week 5), Megaspawn (Battleship/Escort in week 7), Psimorph (Mothership in week 8), Queenspawn. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:38, 20 August 2018 (CEST)		Order of appearance, then? That's Brainsucker/Anthropod (initial random aliens), Egg/Multiworm/Hyperworm/Spitter (Scout Ship drop), Popper/Chrysalis (Transporter/Fast Attack Ship in week 2), Skeletoid (Assault Ship in week 3), Micronoid Aggregate (Bomber in week 5), Megaspawn (Battleship/Escort in week 7), Psimorph (Mothership in week 8), Queenspawn. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:38, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

			: General order of appearance sounds good to me. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 08:59, 21 August 2018 (CEST)

Magic9mushroom: /* Should we sort this page differently? */

2018-08-20T14:39:35Z

Should we sort this page differently?

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	: I must confess that over the years I have become less and less comfortable with ranking the aliens in the overview pages. I have wondered if we should phase this out entirely and leave the pages as simple digests of each alien to sum up what they are and what they do that makes them dangerous. The reader should be able to make their own judgement based off the descriptions. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 11:55, 20 August 2018 (CEST)		: I must confess that over the years I have become less and less comfortable with ranking the aliens in the overview pages. I have wondered if we should phase this out entirely and leave the pages as simple digests of each alien to sum up what they are and what they do that makes them dangerous. The reader should be able to make their own judgement based off the descriptions. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 11:55, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

			Order of appearance, then? That's Brainsucker/Anthropod (initial random aliens), Egg/Multiworm/Hyperworm/Spitter (Scout Ship drop), Popper/Chrysalis (Transporter/Fast Attack Ship in week 2), Skeletoid (Assault Ship in week 3), Micronoid Aggregate (Bomber in week 5), Megaspawn (Battleship/Escort in week 7), Psimorph (Mothership in week 8), Queenspawn. [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 16:38, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

NKF: /* Should we sort this page differently? */

2018-08-20T09:55:45Z

Should we sort this page differently?

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	Thoughts? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 August 2018 (CEST)		Thoughts? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

			: I must confess that over the years I have become less and less comfortable with ranking the aliens in the overview pages. I have wondered if we should phase this out entirely and leave the pages as simple digests of each alien to sum up what they are and what they do that makes them dangerous. The reader should be able to make their own judgement based off the descriptions. [[User:NKF\|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF\|talk]]) 11:55, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

Magic9mushroom: /* Should we sort this page differently? */ new section

2018-08-20T08:58:10Z

Should we sort this page differently?: new section

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	: Might as well add them. Technically not alien, but they are potential enemies. There wouldn't be much value creating a whole new page just for them, but they could use a new section in this article. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:33, 31 August 2013 (EDT)		: Might as well add them. Technically not alien, but they are potential enemies. There wouldn't be much value creating a whole new page just for them, but they could use a new section in this article. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:33, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

			== Should we sort this page differently? ==

			I feel like priority is more useful to an overview of aliens in Apocalypse than overall threat. Yes, a Multiworm is more dangerous than a Brainsucker (in real-time mode), but in just about every case where you can see both you should shoot the Brainsucker first because the Brainsucker is a glass cannon and the Multiworm is a damage sponge. (This is less relevant to UFO/TFTD because you rarely encounter large numbers of different alien types at once.)

			Moreover, simply classifying Anthropods and Skeletoids as "High Threat" isn't all that precise. If they're only toting Brainsucker Launchers or Disruptor Guns, they're not particularly dangerous. On the other hand, a shielded, cloaked Skeletoid wielding a missile launcher is probably the most terrifying thing in the game (exactly which missile launcher depends on your own loadout).

			My guess at the priority goes something like this:

			'''Low Priority:''' Multiworm Egg, Chrysalis (can't move and don't need to be subdued), Spitter, Multiworm (high health compared to their damage output)

			'''High Priority:''' Brainsucker, Popper, Hyperworm (low-health units that pack a punch), Megaspawn (missile launcher)

			'''Variable Priority:''' Anthropod, Skeletoid, Human (variable loadout; Devastator Cannons and the various missile launchers are far more dangerous than anything else), Psimorph, Micronoid (because their only attack is psi, their danger level depends entirely on what you're fighting them with)

			Thoughts? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 August 2018 (CEST)

NKF: /* Human enemies? */

2013-09-01T03:33:50Z

Human enemies?

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	I'd like to add human enemies to this section, but the problem is the page is called ''Alien'' Overview. Should I make a new page, or perhaps add some text to the introductory paragraph to explain the list also includes the humans you face?		I'd like to add human enemies to this section, but the problem is the page is called ''Alien'' Overview. Should I make a new page, or perhaps add some text to the introductory paragraph to explain the list also includes the humans you face?
	--[[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] 15:40, 30 August 2013 (EDT)		--[[User:Darkpast\|Darkpast]] 15:40, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

			: Might as well add them. Technically not alien, but they are potential enemies. There wouldn't be much value creating a whole new page just for them, but they could use a new section in this article. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 23:33, 31 August 2013 (EDT)