Talk:Alien Life Forms (Long War) - Revision history

DjinnFor: /* Variant */

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Variant

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	I think if "Variant Chance" is 100%, it cannot be called a Variant. The fact that it gets a new Perk doesn't change that they are not Variants, as there are no non-variant units anymore. So, for 100% Variant chance, the background shall be "no color".		I think if "Variant Chance" is 100%, it cannot be called a Variant. The fact that it gets a new Perk doesn't change that they are not Variants, as there are no non-variant units anymore. So, for 100% Variant chance, the background shall be "no color".

			:Okay, I fixed it. [[User:DjinnFor\|DjinnFor]] ([[User talk:DjinnFor\|talk]]) 15:15, 10 November 2021 (CET)

Riw: /* Variant */ new section

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Variant: new section

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	See the deployment table and the disclaimer on this page. All "appears" fields are correct.		See the deployment table and the disclaimer on this page. All "appears" fields are correct.

			== Variant ==

			I think if "Variant Chance" is 100%, it cannot be called a Variant. The fact that it gets a new Perk doesn't change that they are not Variants, as there are no non-variant units anymore. So, for 100% Variant chance, the background shall be "no color".

Riw at 21:39, 26 February 2019

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	== Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities ==		== Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities ==


	I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can edit this correctly ?		I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can edit this correctly ?

	iMobility=126 in Defaultgamecore.ini means Light em Up. It's not listed for Heavy Floaters. Probably you confused this ability with some other, such as Close Encounters?		iMobility=126 in Defaultgamecore.ini means Light em Up. It's not listed for Heavy Floaters. Probably you confused this ability with some other, such as Close Encounters?

			== Appears Month ==

			See the deployment table and the disclaimer on this page. All "appears" fields are correct.

Riw: /* Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities */

2019-02-26T21:28:15Z

Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities

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	I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can edit this correctly ?		I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can edit this correctly ?

			iMobility=126 in Defaultgamecore.ini means Light em Up. It's not listed for Heavy Floaters. Probably you confused this ability with some other, such as Close Encounters?

Uberfluffer: /* Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities */

2019-02-25T03:57:56Z

Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities

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	I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can ~~make~~ edit this correctly ?		I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can edit this correctly ?

Uberfluffer: /* Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities */ new section

2019-02-25T03:56:35Z

Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities: new section

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	As far as I can tell, the values in the Alien Research column in each Leader Progression table follows the format in DGC.ini, either nothing or a number. But this is very confusing. I realize that there are default thresholds of AR that trigger leader levels and the instances where there are values replace these defaults, but why not list the defaults? The 0s make it look like lots of leaders (e.g., every Sectoid leader) are possible from the start of the game.		As far as I can tell, the values in the Alien Research column in each Leader Progression table follows the format in DGC.ini, either nothing or a number. But this is very confusing. I realize that there are default thresholds of AR that trigger leader levels and the instances where there are values replace these defaults, but why not list the defaults? The 0s make it look like lots of leaders (e.g., every Sectoid leader) are possible from the start of the game.

			== Not sure how to edit Heavy Floater abilities ==


			I'm trying to update some of this info for LW 1.0. One of the two H-Floaters I encountered in early October had Light em up, which is not listed. How do I find out the current Alien research level so that I can make edit this correctly ?

SomeBrad: /* Alien Research values in Leader Progression tables */ new section

2015-05-22T20:17:41Z

Alien Research values in Leader Progression tables: new section

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	::::If we keep the base stats and the four rows for difficulty modifiers, you could base it on the base stats, and people simply have to remind themselves to change the difficulty modifier. Though I honestly would rather see the base stats line go away and just include the values for each difficulty, perhaps use colspan if the values are the same for multiple difficulties. Though I do see how it's a lot of work to recalculate it by hand. Perhaps just keep it like this for now, and I'll see if I can have the google sheets produce something slightly nicer along the road.		::::If we keep the base stats and the four rows for difficulty modifiers, you could base it on the base stats, and people simply have to remind themselves to change the difficulty modifier. Though I honestly would rather see the base stats line go away and just include the values for each difficulty, perhaps use colspan if the values are the same for multiple difficulties. Though I do see how it's a lot of work to recalculate it by hand. Perhaps just keep it like this for now, and I'll see if I can have the google sheets produce something slightly nicer along the road.

			== Alien Research values in Leader Progression tables ==

			As far as I can tell, the values in the Alien Research column in each Leader Progression table follows the format in DGC.ini, either nothing or a number. But this is very confusing. I realize that there are default thresholds of AR that trigger leader levels and the instances where there are values replace these defaults, but why not list the defaults? The 0s make it look like lots of leaders (e.g., every Sectoid leader) are possible from the start of the game.

Thels at 08:42, 3 April 2015

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	:::I will say - I am more open to using your base stats suggestion, if you think that it would be better for all users. Considering most of the differences are just in aim, I can just substitute "-" characters for any stats that are the same across all difficulties.		:::I will say - I am more open to using your base stats suggestion, if you think that it would be better for all users. Considering most of the differences are just in aim, I can just substitute "-" characters for any stats that are the same across all difficulties.
	:::--[[User:Hawkeye2777\|Hawkeye2777]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2777\|talk]]) 02:02, 3 April 2015 (EDT)		:::--[[User:Hawkeye2777\|Hawkeye2777]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2777\|talk]]) 02:02, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

			::::If we keep the base stats and the four rows for difficulty modifiers, you could base it on the base stats, and people simply have to remind themselves to change the difficulty modifier. Though I honestly would rather see the base stats line go away and just include the values for each difficulty, perhaps use colspan if the values are the same for multiple difficulties. Though I do see how it's a lot of work to recalculate it by hand. Perhaps just keep it like this for now, and I'll see if I can have the google sheets produce something slightly nicer along the road.

Hawkeye2777: /* Formatting for Stat Tables */

2015-04-03T06:02:29Z

Formatting for Stat Tables

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	::Not specifically update dynamically, no. But I'm just not sure that the information provided currently is of any convenience. While you may be right in that it may be a lot of numbers if we fill in the total stats for each row (not to mention things being tricky for 4 different difficulty levels), right now, the table doesn't hold much convenience. So I know the aliens are at 600. If I want to calculate how much Will they have, I'd have to tally all the numbers in the will column together, but I gotta make sure to skip over the Navigator rows. Perhaps to prevent number blur, post the total bonus gained, but only on the rows where it has just increased. --[[User:Thels\|Thels]] ([[User talk:Thels\|talk]]) 06:14, 2 April 2015 (EDT)		::Not specifically update dynamically, no. But I'm just not sure that the information provided currently is of any convenience. While you may be right in that it may be a lot of numbers if we fill in the total stats for each row (not to mention things being tricky for 4 different difficulty levels), right now, the table doesn't hold much convenience. So I know the aliens are at 600. If I want to calculate how much Will they have, I'd have to tally all the numbers in the will column together, but I gotta make sure to skip over the Navigator rows. Perhaps to prevent number blur, post the total bonus gained, but only on the rows where it has just increased. --[[User:Thels\|Thels]] ([[User talk:Thels\|talk]]) 06:14, 2 April 2015 (EDT)



			:::Ah, I see what you mean; I formatted the progression tables the way that they are for a few reasons.
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			:::1.) Make it easier to initially populate all of the tables. All I had to do was select all of the research upgrades for a certain alien (from my alien stat calculator - that really helped me update this page), add a "+" in front of positive numbers, swap any instances of "0" for "-", and do some minor formatting swaps to make it "wiki-ready". Recalculating the total stats at each upgrade would make that process a lot harder and take a lot longer to get everything formatted and sorted correctly.
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			:::2.) Which difficulty do I use for base stats? How do I handle certain navigator upgrades, which are conditional and also affect stat progression? I didn't want to "force a choice" of difficulty so to speak, which further supported my plan for keeping it as a progression.
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			:::3.) I would have to recalculate the total stats gained for any update. For example, we list the total stat gains for sectoids, so that's 10, 20, 30, etc. In the next update, they get a new stat upgrade at 20 AR that grants them 5 will - now I have to change every single row that has a total will bonus listed. Compare that to just listing a +5 - I just insert one row in the appropriate place and leave it at that.
			:::
			:::Anyway, right now I think the formatting that the muton elite section has will work fine for the time being; the one change I may make is bolding the alien research numbers so they stand out a little more. That change would make it easier for those who are more interested in seeing what perks an alien gets, and when they can get them. The stat boxes can show a range of stats without including navigator/leader bonuses, so if players want to quickly see what the possible stats are for a particular alien, that could be a quick reference. Hopefully that makes sense.
			:::
			:::I will say - I am more open to using your base stats suggestion, if you think that it would be better for all users. Considering most of the differences are just in aim, I can just substitute "-" characters for any stats that are the same across all difficulties.
			:::--[[User:Hawkeye2777\|Hawkeye2777]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2777\|talk]]) 02:02, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Thels at 10:14, 2 April 2015

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	:From your feedback, it sounds like you want a page to dynamically update stats based on time, which this wiki can't really do. The best it can do is provide static information and organize it. A google sheet will handle the "dynamic updating" aspect much better, like this [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pfhx2K42C_nUUmUrrJGSKvGW-aB_rBQ0-L5e1WLHP_Q/edit#gid=1653674443 alien stat calculator], which I will probably end up linking at the bottom of this page in an external links section.		:From your feedback, it sounds like you want a page to dynamically update stats based on time, which this wiki can't really do. The best it can do is provide static information and organize it. A google sheet will handle the "dynamic updating" aspect much better, like this [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pfhx2K42C_nUUmUrrJGSKvGW-aB_rBQ0-L5e1WLHP_Q/edit#gid=1653674443 alien stat calculator], which I will probably end up linking at the bottom of this page in an external links section.
	:--[[User:Hawkeye2777\|Hawkeye2777]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2777\|talk]]) 02:46, 2 April 2015 (EDT)		:--[[User:Hawkeye2777\|Hawkeye2777]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2777\|talk]]) 02:46, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

			::Not specifically update dynamically, no. But I'm just not sure that the information provided currently is of any convenience. While you may be right in that it may be a lot of numbers if we fill in the total stats for each row (not to mention things being tricky for 4 different difficulty levels), right now, the table doesn't hold much convenience. So I know the aliens are at 600. If I want to calculate how much Will they have, I'd have to tally all the numbers in the will column together, but I gotta make sure to skip over the Navigator rows. Perhaps to prevent number blur, post the total bonus gained, but only on the rows where it has just increased. --[[User:Thels\|Thels]] ([[User talk:Thels\|talk]]) 06:14, 2 April 2015 (EDT)