Talk:Alien Containment - Revision history

Zombie: /* Containment and Research of Large Alien Units */ Reply to Spike.

2009-07-03T00:51:55Z

Containment and Research of Large Alien Units: Reply to Spike.

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	You can't capture Sectopods and Cyberdiscs, but what happens if you use an editor to put either of these alien types into Alien Containment via ASTORE.DAT. Do they then become researchable as live specimens? Also, can a "live specimen" entry for a Sectopod be researched via a Medic? The [[Sectopod]] article doesn't say. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 13:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)		You can't capture Sectopods and Cyberdiscs, but what happens if you use an editor to put either of these alien types into Alien Containment via ASTORE.DAT. Do they then become researchable as live specimens? Also, can a "live specimen" entry for a Sectopod be researched via a Medic? The [[Sectopod]] article doesn't say. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 13:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

			:You shouldn't be able to research a live Sectopod or Cyberdisc via ASTORE.DAT hacking because [[RESEARCH.DAT]] does not have an entry for them. Actually, the <b>only</b> way to gain the live research topic of these robots is to interrogate an alien medic. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 20:51, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Spike: New section: Containment and Research of Large Alien Units

2009-07-02T17:44:46Z

New section: Containment and Research of Large Alien Units

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	Only thing that needs to be checked is whether you can capture a new type when you have 10 types or more already in the base, which is possible I guess, otherwise the 10 is presumably just people thinking the number in the [[UFOpaedia]] had some relevance when in fact it looks completely incorrect. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 05:00, 8 March 2007 (PST)		Only thing that needs to be checked is whether you can capture a new type when you have 10 types or more already in the base, which is possible I guess, otherwise the 10 is presumably just people thinking the number in the [[UFOpaedia]] had some relevance when in fact it looks completely incorrect. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 05:00, 8 March 2007 (PST)

			== Containment and Research of Large Alien Units ==

			You can't capture Sectopods and Cyberdiscs, but what happens if you use an editor to put either of these alien types into Alien Containment via ASTORE.DAT. Do they then become researchable as live specimens? Also, can a "live specimen" entry for a Sectopod be researched via a Medic? The [[Sectopod]] article doesn't say. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 13:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Sfnhltb at 13:00, 8 March 2007

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	: I believe the aliens in ASTORE.DAT are cleared in the event of a base being destroyed, so perhaps a dismantled base with aliens in transit may be handled the same way? That's just a wild guess at this point. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		: I believe the aliens in ASTORE.DAT are cleared in the event of a base being destroyed, so perhaps a dismantled base with aliens in transit may be handled the same way? That's just a wild guess at this point. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

			==Some Tests==
			In my old game save I transferred all my aliens to one base, there were 17 different types there already arrived, and it would still let me send the 18th type, so there seems to be no 10 types, either globally or per base - unless it is only enforced when capturing. There is 50 in the ASTORE.DAT as mentioned, and no quantity is stored, so that seems to set a hard cap of 50 individual aliens, with type making no difference, and more bases with Alien Containment just allows you to capture aliens with squads sent out from that base, with no impact on amount of types and individuals you can hold.

			Only thing that needs to be checked is whether you can capture a new type when you have 10 types or more already in the base, which is possible I guess, otherwise the 10 is presumably just people thinking the number in the [[UFOpaedia]] had some relevance when in fact it looks completely incorrect. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 05:00, 8 March 2007 (PST)

NKF at 12:23, 8 March 2007

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	:: The above passage would also seem to be incorrect if what you say about ASTORE.DAT only having 10 spots for everywhere is the limit. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 03:03, 8 March 2007 (PST)		:: The above passage would also seem to be incorrect if what you say about ASTORE.DAT only having 10 spots for everywhere is the limit. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 03:03, 8 March 2007 (PST)


			: From tests run by many other players so far, they've only been able to come up with ten unique combinations. As for myself, I'm not sure if you can add to the slots in ASTORE.DAT, although there appears to be room for 50. Hmm. Actually, that does raise a semi-related question. How does the game know how many aliens of a particular type are kept in the various bases, and their quantity? I mean, if they're only one entry in the containment file, but you can transfer the same race/rank combinations to different containments around the globe. How does the game keep track of this?

			: I believe the aliens in ASTORE.DAT are cleared in the event of a base being destroyed, so perhaps a dismantled base with aliens in transit may be handled the same way? That's just a wild guess at this point. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

Sfnhltb at 11:03, 8 March 2007

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			::You would think if they are in the global ASTORE.DAT and that can only have 10 entries, its probably still in there and counting against your 10 types if they can turn back up if you rebuild?

			:::''The two robotic units (Sectpods and Cyberdiscs) cannot be captured alive. Therefore, only 27 of the race/rank combos that can be kept in a containment facility. To house all possible alien units in the game, you will need at most three Alien Containment modules. These modules do not need to be at the same base: you can transfer aliens between bases if the Containment at one base is getting full.''

			:: The above passage would also seem to be incorrect if what you say about ASTORE.DAT only having 10 spots for everywhere is the limit. --[[User:Sfnhltb\|Sfnhltb]] 03:03, 8 March 2007 (PST)

NKF at 07:58, 8 March 2007

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	It just occured to me that there was a trick to the alien containment that I tried that involved transferring aliens to another base and then dismantling something. Or perhaps an attempt at discovering a trick, but never succeeded. Just keeping this note here as a reminder. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]		It just occured to me that there was a trick to the alien containment that I tried that involved transferring aliens to another base and then dismantling something. Or perhaps an attempt at discovering a trick, but never succeeded. Just keeping this note here as a reminder. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

			: Aha, just found the discussion thread I was thinking about. I'll grab the notes. It was a way to disposing aliens from containment.

			: The trick is to build a second containment. Transfer the aliens you want to delete to it and then dismantle the target base's containment module '''while the aliens are still in transit''' (or destroy it in a base battle by bombing the module to bits). This unfortunately doesn't delete the aliens permanently. If you were to build a containment at that base again, they'll show up again. So this works if you don't intend to ever build a containment in this base ever again and are happy to leave these aliens in a state of limbo. Alternately, dismantle the base completely, all the way down to the lift. This certainly wipes out the aliens.

			: It's kind of an overly elaborate way to destroy the aliens. The time/cost tradoff involved may be more than just researching the alien and getting over it. Oh well.

			: Now that I think about it, does this delete the aliens from the containment file? I'll let someone with more knowledge on this file correct me if I'm mistaken.

			: - [[User:NKF\|NKF]]

NKF at 07:44, 8 March 2007

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			It just occured to me that there was a trick to the alien containment that I tried that involved transferring aliens to another base and then dismantling something. Or perhaps an attempt at discovering a trick, but never succeeded. Just keeping this note here as a reminder. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]]

NKF at 10:42, 30 December 2006

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	[[User:Eric\|Eric]] 12:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)		[[User:Eric\|Eric]] 12:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)

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			The file that stores the containment information only has 10 slots in it, so you can only hold 10 unique combinations at any given time. Each combination can have variable quantities. Say you have a Muton Soldier. You can have any number of Muton soldiers, but they will only count as 1 slot in the containment file.

			This is also for the entire globe, by the way, and cannot be expanded by building more containment modules.

			I know, it's not practical. It's just how the game was built.

			- [[User:NKF\|NKF]]

Eric at 20:42, 29 December 2006

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			How many combinations of Aliens/Ranks are there to store?

	Or put another way, how many Alien Containment facilities would I need to build to have enough storage to keep every kind of alien that could be captured?		Or put another way, how many Alien Containment facilities would I need to build to have enough storage to keep every kind of alien that could be captured?

			[[User:Eric\|Eric]] 12:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Eric: How many combinations of Aliens/Ranks are there to store?

2006-12-29T20:41:08Z

How many combinations of Aliens/Ranks are there to store?

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Or put another way, how many Alien Containment facilities would I need to build to have enough storage to keep every kind of alien that could be captured?