Talk:Alien Base - Revision history

Hobbes at 11:44, 31 March 2015

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	I think this should be split into one page for the alien mission (named Alien Base) and one for the X-Com mission (named Alien Base Assault). Opinions? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 22:32, 30 March 2015 (EDT)		I think this should be split into one page for the alien mission (named Alien Base) and one for the X-Com mission (named Alien Base Assault). Opinions? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 22:32, 30 March 2015 (EDT)
			:IMHO the whole mission pages need to be redone for UFO, so go ahead. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes\|talk]]) 07:44, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Magic9mushroom at 02:32, 31 March 2015

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	: The only consistent alien base layout is the Cydonia base map for the Playstation version. But even then, it's probably not storing the base layout information. What's probably happening is that the game is seeding the random number generator with the same value when generating this map, resulting in an identical layout. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 13:49, 24 December 2010 (EST)		: The only consistent alien base layout is the Cydonia base map for the Playstation version. But even then, it's probably not storing the base layout information. What's probably happening is that the game is seeding the random number generator with the same value when generating this map, resulting in an identical layout. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 13:49, 24 December 2010 (EST)

			== Page split? ==

			I think this should be split into one page for the alien mission (named Alien Base) and one for the X-Com mission (named Alien Base Assault). Opinions? [[User:Magic9mushroom\|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom\|talk]]) 22:32, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

NKF: /* Alienly Inconsistent Floor Plans */

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Alienly Inconsistent Floor Plans

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	--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 07:48, 24 December 2010 (CST)		--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 07:48, 24 December 2010 (CST)

			: The only consistent alien base layout is the Cydonia base map for the Playstation version. But even then, it's probably not storing the base layout information. What's probably happening is that the game is seeding the random number generator with the same value when generating this map, resulting in an identical layout. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 13:49, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Zaimoni at 13:48, 24 December 2010

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	: Maybe, I generally use DOS. Try it with multiple commanders, and try it with shooting. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 12:22, 26 November 2008 (CST)		: Maybe, I generally use DOS. Try it with multiple commanders, and try it with shooting. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 12:22, 26 November 2008 (CST)

			== Alienly Inconsistent Floor Plans ==

			(Testing with CE/UFOExtender)

			I tried start-scumming to force a UBASE_03 module. This was eminently successful. More interesting is that the alien base layout is randomized even on repeat visits.

			That is, there doesn't appear to be a Geoscape savefile representation for alien bases.

			--[[User:Zaimoni\|Zaimoni]] 07:48, 24 December 2010 (CST)

(name here) at 18:22, 26 November 2008

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	I tried to get aliens to reaction fire the Blaster Launcher a long time ago with no luck. Today I revisited it again. Dropped reactions of my soldiers to 0 and ran a soldier in front of a Sectoid Leader with full TU until my soldier ran out of TU himself. Nothing. Might be a version specific issue (I'm using the CE version). --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 07:34, 26 November 2008 (CST)		I tried to get aliens to reaction fire the Blaster Launcher a long time ago with no luck. Today I revisited it again. Dropped reactions of my soldiers to 0 and ran a soldier in front of a Sectoid Leader with full TU until my soldier ran out of TU himself. Nothing. Might be a version specific issue (I'm using the CE version). --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 07:34, 26 November 2008 (CST)

			: Maybe, I generally use DOS. Try it with multiple commanders, and try it with shooting. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 12:22, 26 November 2008 (CST)

Zombie: /* Validity of Page */ Reaction fired Blasters may be version specific.

2008-11-26T13:34:56Z

Validity of Page: Reaction fired Blasters may be version specific.

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	: You can't go in with stun rods because reaction-fired blaster bombs seem to ignore self-preservation. Getting them to reaction fire is my primary base-destroying technique. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 05:56, 26 November 2008 (CST)		: You can't go in with stun rods because reaction-fired blaster bombs seem to ignore self-preservation. Getting them to reaction fire is my primary base-destroying technique. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 05:56, 26 November 2008 (CST)

			I tried to get aliens to reaction fire the Blaster Launcher a long time ago with no luck. Today I revisited it again. Dropped reactions of my soldiers to 0 and ran a soldier in front of a Sectoid Leader with full TU until my soldier ran out of TU himself. Nothing. Might be a version specific issue (I'm using the CE version). --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 07:34, 26 November 2008 (CST)

(name here) at 11:56, 26 November 2008

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	That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)		That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)

			: You can't go in with stun rods because reaction-fired blaster bombs seem to ignore self-preservation. Getting them to reaction fire is my primary base-destroying technique. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 05:56, 26 November 2008 (CST)

Zombie: /* Validity of Page */ A little more clarification.

2008-11-26T04:35:02Z

Validity of Page: A little more clarification.

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	Issue #4: On Superhuman, Commanders rarely spawn in the command center. Reason? There are 4 spawn points upstairs which are reserved for Leaders and/or Commanders, but on Superhuman, 4 Leaders are slated to spawn. Since Leaders spawn before Commanders do (it goes according to the pecking order in the alien loadouts section of the executable) they will <i>usually</i> occupy all those slots (it's not guaranteed, but there is a very high probability). Since there isn't a reserved slot for the commander anymore, it gets placed anywhere it is allowed. This makes it important to have Mind Probes along to identify (and capture) rogue commanders wandering around the base.		Issue #4: On Superhuman, Commanders rarely spawn in the command center. Reason? There are 4 spawn points upstairs which are reserved for Leaders and/or Commanders, but on Superhuman, 4 Leaders are slated to spawn. Since Leaders spawn before Commanders do (it goes according to the pecking order in the alien loadouts section of the executable) they will <i>usually</i> occupy all those slots (it's not guaranteed, but there is a very high probability). Since there isn't a reserved slot for the commander anymore, it gets placed anywhere it is allowed. This makes it important to have Mind Probes along to identify (and capture) rogue commanders wandering around the base.

	Issue #5: Building on #2, leaders always carry Blasters later in the game so it's fairly safe to storm the upstairs part of the command center with nothing more than a group of guys wearing T-shirts carrying Stun Rods. Due to self-preservation, the leaders will refrain from firing on your men since they are going to be caught within the explosion. The Small Launcher works fine too, but you may have to back up a bit or fire from below to prevent from being caught in the splash.		Issue #5: Building on #2, leaders always carry Blasters later in the game, so on Superhuman skill level it's fairly safe to storm the upstairs part of the command center with nothing more than a group of guys wearing T-shirts carrying Stun Rods. Due to self-preservation, the leaders will refrain from firing on your men since they are going to be caught within the explosion. The Small Launcher works fine too, but you may have to back up a bit or fire from below to prevent from being caught in the splash.

	Issue #6: If the UBASE_03 module is present (that's the one with the Power Sources), alien engineers are guaranteed to be upstairs as there are 4 slots reserved just for them. With a maximum of 2 engineers slated to show up (usually it's only one on the lower difficulty levels) and with 4 slots available... you do the math.		Issue #6: If the UBASE_03 module is present (that's the one with the Power Sources), alien engineers are guaranteed to be upstairs as there are 4 slots reserved just for them. With a maximum of 2 engineers slated to show up (usually it's only one on the lower difficulty levels) and with 4 slots available... you do the math.

	That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)		That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)

Zombie: /* Validity of Page */ A little rewording.

2008-11-26T04:17:51Z

Validity of Page: A little rewording.

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	Issue #5: Building on #2, leaders always carry Blasters later in the game so it's fairly safe to storm the upstairs part of the command center with nothing more than a group of guys wearing T-shirts carrying Stun Rods. Due to self-preservation, the leaders will refrain from firing on your men since they are going to be caught within the explosion. The Small Launcher works fine too, but you may have to back up a bit or fire from below to prevent from being caught in the splash.		Issue #5: Building on #2, leaders always carry Blasters later in the game so it's fairly safe to storm the upstairs part of the command center with nothing more than a group of guys wearing T-shirts carrying Stun Rods. Due to self-preservation, the leaders will refrain from firing on your men since they are going to be caught within the explosion. The Small Launcher works fine too, but you may have to back up a bit or fire from below to prevent from being caught in the splash.

	Issue #6: If the UBASE_03 module is present (that's the one with the Power Sources), alien engineers are guaranteed to be upstairs as there are 4 slots reserved just for them. ~~Only~~ 2 engineers ~~are~~ slated to show up and with 4 slots... you do the math.		Issue #6: If the UBASE_03 module is present (that's the one with the Power Sources), alien engineers are guaranteed to be upstairs as there are 4 slots reserved just for them. With a maximum of 2 engineers slated to show up (usually it's only one on the lower difficulty levels) and with 4 slots available... you do the math.

	That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)		That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)

Zombie: New section: Validity of Page

2008-11-26T04:12:20Z

New section: Validity of Page

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	I am half afraid to try the base camper tactic again. Who knows what new strategy they will try next. And I definately will not take rookies next time.		I am half afraid to try the base camper tactic again. Who knows what new strategy they will try next. And I definately will not take rookies next time.

			== Validity of Page ==

			I was reading through the article page today and noticed a lot of issues concerning validity. This is probably due to lack of knowledge/experience or just plain carelessness.

			Issue #1: Just because Mutons do not have Leaders or Commanders, it doesn't mean that the base will not have aliens carrying Blasters. See, Mutons substitute soldiers for the missing ranks and those soldiers are equipped as if they are the original rank. Commanders (or the substitute rank) do not carry Blasters in an alien base mission either. They only carry a Heavy Plasma, 2HP clips and an Alien Grenade.

			Issue #2: Not really an issue I guess, but an addendum. Aliens do not carry Blaster Launchers in base missions in the early-mid part of the game. <b>Ever</b>. Later on, yes, then they start to show up. So what this means is that you can be a little more aggressive on base missions early on since you don't have to worry about one of those silver footballs flying out of the blue and ruining your day.

			Issue #3: According to recent research into the game files, an alien base is equally as dark as a night time mission. And besides those objects/rooms I mentioned in the talk page which shed light, the base is basically bathed in darkness. You really don't need Electro-flares or fire to light a base since most rooms are small and offer some level of concealment, but they are helpful down long corridors leading to the command center.

			Issue #4: On Superhuman, Commanders rarely spawn in the command center. Reason? There are 4 spawn points upstairs which are reserved for Leaders and/or Commanders, but on Superhuman, 4 Leaders are slated to spawn. Since Leaders spawn before Commanders do (it goes according to the pecking order in the alien loadouts section of the executable) they will <i>usually</i> occupy all those slots (it's not guaranteed, but there is a very high probability). Since there isn't a reserved slot for the commander anymore, it gets placed anywhere it is allowed. This makes it important to have Mind Probes along to identify (and capture) rogue commanders wandering around the base.

			Issue #5: Building on #2, leaders always carry Blasters later in the game so it's fairly safe to storm the upstairs part of the command center with nothing more than a group of guys wearing T-shirts carrying Stun Rods. Due to self-preservation, the leaders will refrain from firing on your men since they are going to be caught within the explosion. The Small Launcher works fine too, but you may have to back up a bit or fire from below to prevent from being caught in the splash.

			Issue #6: If the UBASE_03 module is present (that's the one with the Power Sources), alien engineers are guaranteed to be upstairs as there are 4 slots reserved just for them. Only 2 engineers are slated to show up and with 4 slots... you do the math.

			That's all I have time for at the moment, but I thought I'd better toss some of these issues down before I forget. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 22:12, 25 November 2008 (CST)