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Xuncu: /* Matchups proven winnable */

2016-10-31T05:35:22Z

Matchups proven winnable

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	==Matchups proven winnable==		==Matchups proven winnable==
	I am wondering what exactly Damage Table describes. What "Matchups proven winnable" means? Every fight can be lost, if you are really unlucky. For example, Interceptor w/Avalanche Missiles is proven winnable with Large Scout on Classic difficulty, but I calculated, that chances, that Interceptor with Avalanche Missiles will shoot Large Scout are 74.431%, assuming that Interceptor isn't shot down. These aren't too high chances for "Matchups proven winnable". --[[User:Miteusz\|Miteusz]] ([[User talk:Miteusz\|talk]]) 12:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)		I am wondering what exactly Damage Table describes. What "Matchups proven winnable" means? Every fight can be lost, if you are really unlucky. For example, Interceptor w/Avalanche Missiles is proven winnable with Large Scout on Classic difficulty, but I calculated, that chances, that Interceptor with Avalanche Missiles will shoot Large Scout are 74.431%, assuming that Interceptor isn't shot down. These aren't too high chances for "Matchups proven winnable". --[[User:Miteusz\|Miteusz]] ([[User talk:Miteusz\|talk]]) 12:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
			*I answered this in the old discussion above: that when I was testing it, it won 2 or 3 dogfights out of 5. And the ones in parenthesizes happened once, but could not duplicate reliably (maybe like 1 out of 20). --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu\|talk]]) 05:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Miteusz: Matchups proven winnable

2016-08-17T12:32:13Z

Matchups proven winnable

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	::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)		::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::Another question that could be answered by looking into the coding, if possible.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)		:::::Another question that could be answered by looking into the coding, if possible.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)
			==Matchups proven winnable==
			I am wondering what exactly Damage Table describes. What "Matchups proven winnable" means? Every fight can be lost, if you are really unlucky. For example, Interceptor w/Avalanche Missiles is proven winnable with Large Scout on Classic difficulty, but I calculated, that chances, that Interceptor with Avalanche Missiles will shoot Large Scout are 74.431%, assuming that Interceptor isn't shot down. These aren't too high chances for "Matchups proven winnable". --[[User:Miteusz\|Miteusz]] ([[User talk:Miteusz\|talk]]) 12:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Xuncu: /* Overseer Interception */

2013-12-16T07:45:40Z

Overseer Interception

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	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)		:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			::::Naturally, but I meant "EU vs EW", do they have more hp? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)
	::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)		::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			:::::Another question that could be answered by looking into the coding, if possible.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Arrow Quivershaft at 19:55, 15 December 2013

2013-12-15T19:55:34Z

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	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)		:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Moyang: /* Overseer Interception */

2013-12-15T18:13:41Z

Overseer Interception

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	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
			:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)

Xuncu: /* Overseer Interception */

2013-12-14T09:46:51Z

Overseer Interception

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)

Xuncu: /* Overseer Interception */

2013-12-14T09:29:20Z

Overseer Interception

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms) --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)

Xuncu: /* Overseer Interception */

2013-12-14T09:22:35Z

Overseer Interception

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that ~~didn~~'~~t seem to be~~ a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
			::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms) --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)

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	==Overseer Interception==		==Overseer Interception==
	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it's zoom and I'd get the "contact lost" message. I actually didn't get to test Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that didn't seem to be a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
			:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it's zoom and I'd get the "contact lost" message. I actually didn't get to test Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)

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	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)		:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			::::Naturally, but I meant "EU vs EW", do they have more hp? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)
	::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)		::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			:::::Another question that could be answered by looking into the coding, if possible.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 02:45, 16 December 2013 (EST)

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	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)		:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)
			::::It also feels a bit like Firestorms in general have gotten a bit of a nerf in terms of HP in Enemy Within, even at lower difficulties. They just seem to get chewed up a bit faster, even against smaller UFOs. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 14:55, 15 December 2013 (EST)

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	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)
			:::I looks like UFO's HP increases with difficulty. I tried to intercept same UFO in different difficulty(with reloading), UFO lasted longer on higher difficulty. Also XCOM interceptors have less HP in higher difficulty. [[User:Moyang\|Moyang]] 13:13, 15 December 2013 (EST)

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? Oh, and I remember when I used to dump all three modules for the Overseer fight: the targeting one doesn't really affect Plasma's 85% accuracy anyways, the Tracking one only really helps for the short-range weapons (and doesn't stop it from ''firing'' during that extra time), and it fires so fast that the Defense one barely lasts a second. --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)

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	I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)		I just had a game of Impossible on EW where a single Firestorm with a Plasma Cannon failed repeatedly to bring down the Overseer, even with all the modules, due to running out of time. I had to build a 2nd one, which then brought the UFO down with a single shot. [[User:Hobbes\|Hobbes]] 23:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
	:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)		:Y'mean that you sent it after the first, and it finished it off, or that somehow it managed to one-shot the Overseer? Hm, if I still have the save, I'll retest myself. At least for the regular ships, I remember testing them one by one (yes), usually several times, and wrote it so if it won at least ... I think I did two or three out of five (it's been a while). Haven't been able/desired to test every last matchup again in EW, since what Firaxis said sounded like only Classic and Impossible would have a difference, and the matchups I've managed to retest seem to have lower success rates, but successes with the same ships/weapons/difficulty, nonetheless. RNG seems to be more of a bitch, tho: one trial, Overseer got off 3-4 hits for 2-3 seconds before my interceptor would even fire a damn shot! Then a miss, miss, dead. Send the next one...... waiiiiting, miss, miss.... fucking... At any rate, didn't have the save early enough to test it's first appearance. and it's second would shift around if I moved ships. Shoved Ravens with Plasmas on every hangar slot: no matter what continent, hangar location and Overseer's flight path mattered (over Russia, could only get one Raven to intercept, over Brazil managed to get three), so often it would take too long for one Raven to intercept to send out another before it'd zoom off and I'd get the "contact lost" message (so, since that's not really a matter of HP/damage, that's why I'm calling it as "Unaided Ravens cannot take down the Overseer, period (or at least not reliably)"). I actually didn't get to test my results for Normal and Classic for the Overseer as much as I'd like.--[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 03:43, 14 December 2013 (EST)
	::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms) --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)		::Okies: One Firestorm, Plasma Cannon, Impossible EW; test 1 no, 2 yes, 3 no, 4 no, 5 yes, 0.4 seconds remaining on both successes. F/Lx1, Normal EW, also 2/5 success, hm. F/Lx2, Classic EW, every time. Easy EW, F/P, 5 tries, never won (and who would have Phoenix Cannons as their best armaments at that point, anyways, let alone put them on their Firestorms)... hm, I belive I've asked before, but ''is'' there "UFO HP" in the coding? --[[User:Xuncu\|Xuncu]] 04:22, 14 December 2013 (EST)