Skipping Gauss Weapons - Revision history

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	[[TFTD Research Sequences]]		[[TFTD Research Sequences]]

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Amitakartok: /* General Discussion */

2009-09-05T21:47:27Z

General Discussion

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	: I, personally, like to research sonic rifle first. By the time research done, I already have several rifles. Even if clip research is not ready, it's possible to fire from trophy weapons. (At start I buy gas cannons and dump all other weapons. Works nice.) Research sequence goes as Sensor->Medikit->Sonic Rifle->it's clip->armor or Sonic Cannon.		: I, personally, like to research sonic rifle first. By the time research done, I already have several rifles. Even if clip research is not ready, it's possible to fire from trophy weapons. (At start I buy gas cannons and dump all other weapons. Works nice.) Research sequence goes as Sensor->Medikit->Sonic Rifle->it's clip->armor or Sonic Cannon.

			: My opinion:
			:* Gauss Pistol: too weak
			:* Gauss Rifle: mainstream stuff
			:* Heavy Gauss: only until I get DPL (I never got to that point)
			:* CGC: OK until I get CSC
			:* SWS/G: nice!
			: However, that's just my opinion. I personally avoid being overly reliant on alien guns, researching but not using them (except stunners and blasters). I once ran into a situation in UFO when I was sitting in my bases, unable to do anything since I ran out of Elerium. Not to mention that I like the Gauss firing sound much more than Sonic firing sound (and I want to be visually distinctive from aliens). Xcomutil completely turns the tables on Gauss vs. Sonic: with Gauss weapons getting unlimited ammo, rapid-firing all over the place is fun!--[[User:Amitakartok\|amitakartok]] 17:47, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

	== Gauss vs. AP comparison ==		== Gauss vs. AP comparison ==

Spike: /* Research discussion */ Time to first Sonic weapon.

2009-08-13T11:56:59Z

Research discussion: Time to first Sonic weapon.

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	: Your totaling is incorrect, as Sonic weapons are independent of eachother on the research tree. So reaching sonic cannon only takes 1200 days if you decide to skip the earlier ones. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 22:43, 12 August 2009 (EDT)		: Your totaling is incorrect, as Sonic weapons are independent of eachother on the research tree. So reaching sonic cannon only takes 1200 days if you decide to skip the earlier ones. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 22:43, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

			:: Thanks for pointing out they are independent, I was not sure, as I don't have access to a research tree (there is none on this site AFAIK). It's nonetheless true to say that '''at least''' an average 1000 research-days are required for the first usable Sonic weapon, and that research can't start until the first combat. If you choose to make the Sonic Cannon that weapon, you would require 1200 days, and you would start significantly later. As (arguably) the Sonic Pistol is the best all-round Sonic weapon, and usually the first one you have the opportunity to research, what I said here is the most likely case. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 07:56, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

	==See Also==		==See Also==

(name here) at 02:43, 13 August 2009

2009-08-13T02:43:29Z

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	Personally I develop Gauss weapons from the outset. When I get my first Sonic Pulser, I switch to developing that, as it is easily scavenged and a massive equaliser. I develop Gauss weapons at least as far as Gauss Rifle. Unless I'm going down a Manufacturing Profitability route, I'm not so sure about proceeding to Heavy Gauss. The additional 690 days is not so far off the 1000 required for functioning Sonic Pistols. With Gauss Rifles and Sonic Pulsers in hand, you can manage pretty well during the delay in researching Sonic Pistol. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:05, 5 April 2009 (EDT)		Personally I develop Gauss weapons from the outset. When I get my first Sonic Pulser, I switch to developing that, as it is easily scavenged and a massive equaliser. I develop Gauss weapons at least as far as Gauss Rifle. Unless I'm going down a Manufacturing Profitability route, I'm not so sure about proceeding to Heavy Gauss. The additional 690 days is not so far off the 1000 required for functioning Sonic Pistols. With Gauss Rifles and Sonic Pulsers in hand, you can manage pretty well during the delay in researching Sonic Pistol. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:05, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

			: Your totaling is incorrect, as Sonic weapons are independent of eachother on the research tree. So reaching sonic cannon only takes 1200 days if you decide to skip the earlier ones. --[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 22:43, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

NKF: /* See Also */

2009-07-18T22:41:54Z

NKF at 22:41, 18 July 2009

2009-07-18T22:41:22Z

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	Personally I develop Gauss weapons from the outset. When I get my first Sonic Pulser, I switch to developing that, as it is easily scavenged and a massive equaliser. I develop Gauss weapons at least as far as Gauss Rifle. Unless I'm going down a Manufacturing Profitability route, I'm not so sure about proceeding to Heavy Gauss. The additional 690 days is not so far off the 1000 required for functioning Sonic Pistols. With Gauss Rifles and Sonic Pulsers in hand, you can manage pretty well during the delay in researching Sonic Pistol. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:05, 5 April 2009 (EDT)		Personally I develop Gauss weapons from the outset. When I get my first Sonic Pulser, I switch to developing that, as it is easily scavenged and a massive equaliser. I develop Gauss weapons at least as far as Gauss Rifle. Unless I'm going down a Manufacturing Profitability route, I'm not so sure about proceeding to Heavy Gauss. The additional 690 days is not so far off the 1000 required for functioning Sonic Pistols. With Gauss Rifles and Sonic Pulsers in hand, you can manage pretty well during the delay in researching Sonic Pistol. [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:05, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

	==~~= Other Research Topics and Sequences for Comparison =~~==
			==See Also==
	~~See~~ [[TFTD Research Sequences]]
			[[Weapon Analysis]]
			[[TFTD Research Sequences]]

Wasd: /* General Discussion */

2009-07-16T09:28:21Z

General Discussion

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	:: Gauss is a starting weapon in the sense that you have it right from the very start (even though you need a bit of research), and you don't have to go out and get anything to be able to get it. Also, some players are lucky (or should I say unlucky?) enough to get a few gauss pistols built before they go on their very first mission. Have had this happen to me a few times on superhuman after the first couple of subs I spotted fled from my Barracudas. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:17, 6 April 2009 (EDT)		:: Gauss is a starting weapon in the sense that you have it right from the very start (even though you need a bit of research), and you don't have to go out and get anything to be able to get it. Also, some players are lucky (or should I say unlucky?) enough to get a few gauss pistols built before they go on their very first mission. Have had this happen to me a few times on superhuman after the first couple of subs I spotted fled from my Barracudas. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 02:17, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

			: I, personally, like to research sonic rifle first. By the time research done, I already have several rifles. Even if clip research is not ready, it's possible to fire from trophy weapons. (At start I buy gas cannons and dump all other weapons. Works nice.) Research sequence goes as Sensor->Medikit->Sonic Rifle->it's clip->armor or Sonic Cannon.

	== Gauss vs. AP comparison ==		== Gauss vs. AP comparison ==

Jasonred: the more accurate, less diplomatic answer

2009-04-30T18:33:29Z

the more accurate, less diplomatic answer

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	That's not too bad a difference. You should be able to get past these aliens and move onto sonic weaponry before the higher tier aliens show up.		That's not too bad a difference. You should be able to get past these aliens and move onto sonic weaponry before the higher tier aliens show up.

	These two damage types start to really fluctuate in effectiveness against the higher tier enemies and the terror units.		These two damage types start to really fluctuate in effectiveness against the higher tier enemies and the terror units. (do note that using lower tier weapons on higher tier aliens is often asking for trouble)

	AP does better vs:		AP does better vs:
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	Gauss does better vs:		Gauss does better vs:
	* Lobstermen 20% AP vs. 30% Gauss (~~relatively better~~)		* Lobstermen 20% AP vs. 30% Gauss (slightly less useless)
	* Hallucinoids 60% AP vs 80% Gauss		* Hallucinoids 60% AP vs 80% Gauss

NKF: /* Gauss vs. AP comparison */ Wrong terminology

2009-04-07T07:41:08Z

Gauss vs. AP comparison: Wrong terminology

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	* Calcinite, 100% AP vs 90% Gauss		* Calcinite, 100% AP vs 90% Gauss

	That's not too bad a difference. You should able to get past these aliens and move onto sonic weaponry before the higher tier aliens show up.		That's not too bad a difference. You should be able to get past these aliens and move onto sonic weaponry before the higher tier aliens show up.

	These two damage types start to really fluctuate in effectiveness against the higher tier enemies and the terror units.		These two damage types start to really fluctuate in effectiveness against the higher tier enemies and the terror units.
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	Finally, one last observation about Gauss vs. AP: Against your own units.		Finally, one last observation about Gauss vs. AP: Against your own units.

	* Unarmored and ~~Personal~~ Aqua Armor: 100% AP vs. 100% Gauss		* Unarmored and Plastic Aqua Armor: 100% AP vs. 100% Gauss
	* Ion Armor/Mag Ion Armor: 90% AP vs. 80% Gauss		* Ion Armor/Mag Ion Armor: 90% AP vs. 80% Gauss
	* SWS: 95% AP vs. 60% Gauss		* SWS: 95% AP vs. 60% Gauss

	AP's really earning its own title of "Armor Piercing" in TFTD. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 05:20, 6 April 2009 (EDT)		AP's really earning its own title of "Armor Piercing" in TFTD. -[[User:NKF\|NKF]] 05:20, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

	==Research Time Comparison==		==Research Time Comparison==