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Slider2k: /* Mutual Surprise */ minor spelling

2013-12-10T15:03:22Z

Mutual Surprise: minor spelling

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	** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit moves horizontally into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at a unit if facing it. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing an alien.		** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit moves horizontally into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at a unit if facing it. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing an alien.
	** The mutual surprise rule does not apply if a unit moves into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if facing the alien, the unit will draw reaction fire as it moves up or down into alien's line of sight.		** The mutual surprise rule does not apply if a unit moves into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if facing the alien, the unit will draw reaction fire as it moves up or down into alien's line of sight.
	** <sup>[needs confirmation]</sup>Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" (when a unit's position is known to the enemy; all units positions ~~is know~~ to the enemy after turn 20, or after turn 10 when 2 or less aliens left alive) is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.		** <sup>[needs confirmation]</sup>Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" (when a unit's position is known to the enemy; all units positions are known to the enemy after turn 20, or after turn 10 when 2 or less aliens are left alive) is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

	[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]		[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

Slider2k: /* Mutual Surprise */ more spelling

2013-12-08T11:24:19Z

Mutual Surprise: more spelling

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	*'''Mutual surprise:'''		*'''Mutual surprise:'''
	** If a unit sees an alien at the same instant as it moves into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien(s) won't fire, even if a unit has no TUs left. The alien spotted doesn't even have to be the alien that spots the unit -- unit can walk through a door and see an alien ahead, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking.		** If a unit sees an alien at the same instant as it moves into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien(s) won't reaction fire, even if a unit has no TUs left. The alien spotted doesn't even have to be the alien that spots the unit -- unit can walk through a door and see an alien ahead, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking.
	** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "[[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners\|blind spots]]" near corners/doors/windows, where aliens can see and fire upon you but you can't see them, even if you're facing them.		** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "[[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners\|blind spots]]" near corners/doors/windows, where aliens can see and fire upon you but you can't see them, even if you're facing them.
	** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit ~~''walks'' (or flies)~~ into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at a unit if facing ~~the unit~~. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing an alien.		** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit moves horizontally into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at a unit if facing it. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing an alien.
	** The mutual surprise rule ~~also~~ does not apply if ~~you move~~ into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if ~~you are~~ facing the alien, ~~you~~ will ~~get shot at~~ as ~~you move~~ up or down into ~~its~~ line of sight.		** The mutual surprise rule does not apply if a unit moves into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if facing the alien, the unit will draw reaction fire as it moves up or down into alien's line of sight.
	** ~~'''~~Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise.~~'''~~ However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence"~~<sup>[~~'~~'needs clarification'']</sup>~~ is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.		** <sup>[needs confirmation]</sup>Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" (when a unit's position is known to the enemy; all units positions is know to the enemy after turn 20, or after turn 10 when 2 or less aliens left alive) is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

	[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]		[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

Slider2k: /* Mutual Surprise */ spelling

2013-11-29T11:18:29Z

Mutual Surprise: spelling

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	*'''Mutual surprise:'''		*'''Mutual surprise:'''
	** If a unit sees an alien at the same instant as it moves into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien(s) won't fire, even if a unit has no TUs left. The alien ~~you spot~~ doesn't even have to be the alien that spots ~~you~~ -- ~~you~~ can walk through a door and see an alien ahead ~~of you~~, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking ~~you~~.		** If a unit sees an alien at the same instant as it moves into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien(s) won't fire, even if a unit has no TUs left. The alien spotted doesn't even have to be the alien that spots the unit -- unit can walk through a door and see an alien ahead, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking.
	** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "[[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners\|blind spots]]" near corners/doors/windows, where aliens can see and fire upon you but you can't see them, even if you're facing them.		** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "[[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners\|blind spots]]" near corners/doors/windows, where aliens can see and fire upon you but you can't see them, even if you're facing them.
	** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit ''walks'' (or flies) into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at ~~the~~ unit if ~~it is~~ facing the unit. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing ~~the~~ alien.		** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit ''walks'' (or flies) into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at a unit if facing the unit. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing an alien.
	** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.		** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.
	** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence"<sup>[''needs clarification'']</sup> is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.		** '''Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise.''' However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence"<sup>[''needs clarification'']</sup> is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

	[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]		[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

Slider2k: /* Mutual Surprise */ clarifications and cleaning

2013-11-27T01:16:29Z

Mutual Surprise: clarifications and cleaning

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	*'''Mutual surprise:'''		*'''Mutual surprise:'''
	** If a unit ~~first~~ sees an alien at the same instant ~~that they first move~~ into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien won't fire, even if ~~you have~~ no TUs left. The alien you spot doesn't even have to be the alien that spots you -- you can walk through a door and see an alien ahead of you, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking you.		** If a unit sees an alien at the same instant as it moves into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien(s) won't fire, even if a unit has no TUs left. The alien you spot doesn't even have to be the alien that spots you -- you can walk through a door and see an alien ahead of you, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking you.
	** ~~There are cases~~ where aliens can see ~~you (~~and ~~even~~ fire upon you~~!),~~ but you can't see them, even if you're facing them ~~(such as walking toward an open door, or when nearing a corner)~~.		** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "[[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners\|blind spots]]" near corners/doors/windows, where aliens can see and fire upon you but you can't see them, even if you're facing them.
	** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply to when ~~you~~ ''~~walk~~'' (or ~~fly~~) into an alien's line of sight: if ~~you spot~~ an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will ~~shoot~~ at ~~you~~ if it is facing ~~you~~. An alien will also ~~shoot~~ at ~~you if you spot it when standing~~ from a formerly-concealed position.		** The "mutual surprise" rule seems to only apply when a unit ''walks'' (or flies) into an alien's line of sight: if a unit spots an alien by destroying terrain, or by killing an alien (uncovering another behind it), the newly-revealed alien will try to reaction fire at the unit if it is facing the unit. An alien will also try to reaction fire at a unit that stands from a formerly-concealed position facing the alien.
	** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.		** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.
	** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "blind spots" near corners, where aliens can see you but you can't see them (see [[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners]]).		** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence"<sup>[''needs clarification'']</sup> is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.
	** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

	[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]		[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

NKF at 09:42, 25 November 2013

2013-11-25T09:42:36Z

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	[[Reaction fire]] is triggered through a variety of actions. There are also some actions that do not trigger, or immediately trigger reaction fire. The following is a ~~(possibly incomplete, with some duplication)~~ list of what actions will and will not trigger reaction fire.		[[Reaction fire]] can be triggered through a variety of actions. There are also some actions that do not trigger or immediately trigger reaction fire. The following is a list of what actions will and will not trigger reaction fire. This list is not extensive and may contain some duplication.

	Note, all of these assume that the requirements for a Reaction shot are ~~all~~ met by the defending side. Also while the lists are focused on the X-COM side, the conditions apply to the aliens as well.		Note, all of these assume that the requirements for a Reaction shot are met by the defending side. Also while the lists are primarily focused on the X-COM side, many of the conditions apply to the aliens as well.

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	\| Firing any weapon		\| Firing any weapon
	\| Hit or miss, the alien will react if it survives. Note that line of sight calculations are done after the attack. If you fire an explosive round and ~~create a~~ smoke cloud dense enough to obscure you from the alien's vision, it will not be able to react.		\| Hit or miss, the alien will react if it survives. Note that line of sight calculations are done after the attack. Therefore if you fire an explosive round and the resulting smoke cloud is dense enough to obscure you from the alien's vision, it will not be able to react.
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	\| Any walking/flying movement		\| Any walking/flying movement
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	\|Using a melee weapon		\|Using a melee weapon
	\| ~~This does~~ not immediately trigger a reaction shot but the alien will be "alerted" to its attacker. The alien will only react if the soldier then performs any other action that will trigger a reaction shot. This means a soldier can safely attack an alien ~~several times~~ with a Stun Rod, but if the soldier then walks away the alien will immediately turn around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier. The first soldier can then safely walk away.		\| Melee attacks do not immediately trigger a reaction shot but the alien will be "alerted" to its attacker. The alien will only react if the soldier then performs any other action that will trigger a reaction shot such as walking or shooting. This means a soldier can safely attack an alien repeatedly with a Stun Rod, but if the soldier then walks away the alien will immediately turn around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier. The first soldier can then safely walk away.
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	\|Hitting an alien from beyond visual range		\|Hitting an alien from beyond visual range
	\| Similar to the melee attack, the alien will be "alerted", but will not spin and fire. If the last person to shoot and hit the alien walks into its visual range on the same turn, the alien will immediately turn and fire.		\| Similar to the melee attack, the alien will be "alerted", but will not spin around and fire. If the last person to shoot and hit the alien walks into its visual range on the same turn, the alien will immediately turn and fire.
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	\| Firing beyond the alien's visual range		\| Firing beyond the alien's visual range
	\| If the shot hits, the alien will be 'alerted' and will react if the soldier comes within its visual range. If the shot misses, ~~it will not be alerted~~.		\| If the shot hits, the alien will be 'alerted' and will react if the soldier comes within its visual range. If the shot misses, nothing happens.
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	\| Firing at a [[Celatid]] / [[Deep One]] from beyond its range		\| Firing at a [[Celatid]] / [[Deep One]] from beyond its range
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	'''Note:''' If you have used up several [[Time Units]] performing the above "safe" actions and then ~~conclude with~~ a reaction-triggering action, an alien with sufficient TUs will make several "stored up" reaction shots against you.		'''Note:''' If you have used up several [[Time Units]] performing the above "safe" actions and then perform a reaction-triggering action, an alien with sufficient TUs will be able to make several "stored up" reaction shots against you.


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	== Mutual Surprise ==		== Mutual Surprise ==
			<div id="mutual_surprise"></div>

	~~<div id="mutual_surprise"></div>~~
	*'''Mutual surprise:'''		*'''Mutual surprise:'''
	** If a unit first sees an alien at the same instant that they first move into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien won't fire, even if you have no TUs left. The alien you spot doesn't even have to be the alien that spots you -- you can walk through a door and see an alien ahead of you, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking you.		** If a unit first sees an alien at the same instant that they first move into an alien's [[line of sight]], the alien won't fire, even if you have no TUs left. The alien you spot doesn't even have to be the alien that spots you -- you can walk through a door and see an alien ahead of you, which will prevent unseen aliens to the side from attacking you.

NKF: Lists rewritten and re-done in table form

2013-11-25T08:07:43Z

Lists rewritten and re-done in table form

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-Certain actions will trigger reaction fire from aliens; others will not, even though they may reduce your [[Time Units]].  (However, if you have used up several TUs doing "safe" actions then conclude with a reaction-triggering one, an alien with sufficient TUs will make several "stored up" reaction shots against you.)
+[[Reaction fire]] is triggered through a variety of actions. There are also some actions that do not trigger, or immediately trigger reaction fire. The following is a (possibly incomplete, with some duplication) list of what actions will and will not trigger reaction fire.
-The following is a (possibly incomplete) list of which actions will and will not trigger reaction fire.  Opposing units also need to be facing your unit(s) and have sufficient TUs available; see [[Reaction fire formula]] for more details.
+Note, all of these assume that the requirements for a Reaction shot are all met by the defending side. Also while the lists are focused on the X-COM side, the conditions apply to the aliens as well.
-<br>
+{| class="wikitable" width="60%"
-'''Will trigger reaction shots from an alien not facing you:'''
+{| class="wikitable" width="60%"
-'''Will never trigger reaction shots:'''
+'''Note:''' If you have used up several [[Time Units]] performing the above "safe" actions and then conclude with a reaction-triggering action, an alien with sufficient TUs will make several "stored up" reaction shots against you.
 <div id="mutual_surprise"></div>
 *'''Mutual surprise:'''

Hobbes: categorizing

2013-07-23T02:40:32Z

categorizing

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	** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "blind spots" near corners, where aliens can see you but you can't see them (see [[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners]]).		** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "blind spots" near corners, where aliens can see you but you can't see them (see [[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners]]).
	** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.		** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

			[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

Jasonred at 17:42, 24 May 2011

2011-05-24T17:42:38Z

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	*Hitting an alien (they will spin around and return fire)		*Hitting an alien (they will spin around and return fire)
	*Hitting an alien with indirect fire from HE or stun rounds (or even triggering a [[Proximity Grenade]] within range)		*Hitting an alien with indirect fire from HE or stun rounds (or even triggering a [[Proximity Grenade]] within range)
	*Using a [[Stun Rod]] on an alien -- this one is a real oddball: the alien will be "alerted" to your attack, but will not spin and fire until you take one of the actions above that normally triggers reaction shots. Thus you can try stunning them several times, but if you then walk away, they will spin around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier -- and the first soldier can then safely walk away again. Heh. (Hitting an alien that is directly facing you with a Stun Rod will not trigger reaction shots either, until you perform some other action.)		*Using a [[Stun Rod]] or other melee weapon (TFTD) on an alien -- this one is a real oddball: the alien will be "alerted" to your attack, but will not spin and fire until you take one of the actions above that normally triggers reaction shots. Thus you can try stunning them several times, but if you then walk away, they will spin around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier -- and the first soldier can then safely walk away again. Heh. (Hitting an alien that is directly facing you with a Stun Rod will not trigger reaction shots either, until you perform some other action.)
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	*Hitting an alien from out of sight distance is similiar to the stun rod. The alien will be "alerted", but will not spin and fire UNLESS you walk within 20 tiles of him, at which point he will suddenly spin around and shoot. This is a pretty rare event though, since it will usually only occur if you had someone firing at an alien from 21 squares away, fire on him, hit, and he survives, then you walk within 20 squares distance (possibly to make way for someone else to fire from 21 tiles away).		*Hitting an alien from out of sight distance is similiar to the stun rod. The alien will be "alerted", but will not spin and fire UNLESS you walk within 20 tiles of him, at which point he will suddenly spin around and shoot. This is a pretty rare event though, since it will usually only occur if you had someone firing at an alien from 21 squares away, fire on him, hit, and he survives, then you walk within 20 squares distance (possibly to make way for someone else to fire from 21 tiles away).

Zaimoni: aliens use mutual surprise as well

2010-06-24T19:25:42Z

aliens use mutual surprise as well

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	** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.		** The mutual surprise rule also does not apply if you move into an alien's field of vision via vertical movement, by using a lift or a [[Flying Suit]]. Even if you are facing the alien, you will get shot at as you move up or down into its line of sight.
	** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "blind spots" near corners, where aliens can see you but you can't see them (see [[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners]]).		** To try to take advantage of this and spot aliens as you round a corner, you should (if possible) approach it at least one space away from the corner and come around at a diagonal. However, there can be a number of "blind spots" near corners, where aliens can see you but you can't see them (see [[Line of sight#Blind spots around corners]]).
			** Aliens also benefit from mutual surprise. However, an X-COM unit being tracked by aliens' "intelligence" is already visible, thus cannot trigger the not-visible to visible transition that allows mutual surprise.

Jasonred: Found another oddball!

2009-03-12T16:39:09Z

Found another oddball!

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	*Using a [[Stun Rod]] on an alien -- this one is a real oddball: the alien will be "alerted" to your attack, but will not spin and fire until you take one of the actions above that normally triggers reaction shots. Thus you can try stunning them several times, but if you then walk away, they will spin around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier -- and the first soldier can then safely walk away again. Heh. (Hitting an alien that is directly facing you with a Stun Rod will not trigger reaction shots either, until you perform some other action.)		*Using a [[Stun Rod]] on an alien -- this one is a real oddball: the alien will be "alerted" to your attack, but will not spin and fire until you take one of the actions above that normally triggers reaction shots. Thus you can try stunning them several times, but if you then walk away, they will spin around and shoot. If a different soldier hits the alien with a Stun Rod, the alien's focus will shift to that soldier -- and the first soldier can then safely walk away again. Heh. (Hitting an alien that is directly facing you with a Stun Rod will not trigger reaction shots either, until you perform some other action.)
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			*Hitting an alien from out of sight distance is similiar to the stun rod. The alien will be "alerted", but will not spin and fire UNLESS you walk within 20 tiles of him, at which point he will suddenly spin around and shoot. This is a pretty rare event though, since it will usually only occur if you had someone firing at an alien from 21 squares away, fire on him, hit, and he survives, then you walk within 20 squares distance (possibly to make way for someone else to fire from 21 tiles away).


	'''Will never trigger reaction shots:'''		'''Will never trigger reaction shots:'''