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	With [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s More Than Human option, the formula for testing is:		With [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s More Than Human option, the formula for testing is:

	Psi Chance = ~~(soldier~~ Will) / 8) / (1 + Number of already existing Psionic soldiers)		Psi Chance = Soldier Will / 8 / (1 + Number of already existing Psionic soldiers)

	After you get the 1st Psionic, the chance for a 2nd Psionic while testing a soldier with 80 Will would be 80/8/2 or 5%.		After you get the 1st Psionic, the chance for a 2nd Psionic while testing a soldier with 80 Will would be 80/8/2 or 5%.

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	==Psi Chance==		==Psi Chance==
	If a soldier is a Major/Colonel, then the basic formula applies:		If a soldier is a Major/Colonel, then the basic formula applies:
	Psi ~~chance~~ = Soldier Will / 4		Psi Chance = Soldier Will / 4

	So a Major/Colonel soldier with a Will of 80 has a 20% chance of becoming a Psionic.		So a Major/Colonel soldier with a Will of 80 has a 20% chance of becoming a Psionic.
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	With other ranks lower than these two, things get a bit more complicated:		With other ranks lower than these two, things get a bit more complicated:
	Psi Chance = (Soldier Will + Bonus)/4		Psi Chance = (Soldier Will + Bonus)/4
	Bonus = 75 - (Soldier Rank * 20) - (~~Six Existing~~ Psionics * 40)		Bonus = Max (0, (75 - (Soldier Rank * 20) - ((number of existing Psionics * 40)))

	Soldier rank starts at 0 for Rookies, while if you already have 6 Psionic soldiers then the bonus gets decreased.		Soldier rank starts at 0 for Rookies, while if you already have Psionic soldiers then the bonus gets decreased by the number of Psionics present. The bonus reduction is capped at 6 Psionic soldiers but for practical affairs if you already have 2 or more Psionics the bonus is 0 (there can't be negative bonus).
	* A Squaddie with 45 Will and ~~less than 6~~ Psionics already present in the [[Barracks (EU2012)\|Barracks]] would have a Psi Chance of (45 + (75 - 20))/4 or 25%.		* A Squaddie with 45 Will and no Psionics already present in the [[Barracks (EU2012)\|Barracks]] would have a Psi Chance of (45 + (75 - 20))/4 or 25%.
	* A Squaddie with 45 Will and 6 or more Psionics present would have a Psi Chance of (45 + (75 - 20 - 40) or 15%		* A Squaddie with 45 Will and 6 or more Psionics present would have a Psi Chance of (45 + Max (0, 75 - 20 - 240))/4 or 11%

	A complete description of the code function can be found [http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888002-psi-soldier-chance/ here].		A complete description of the code function can be found [http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888002-psi-soldier-chance/ here].

	===More Than Human===		===More Than Human===
	With [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s More Than Human option, ~~you're guaranteed to get a Psionic~~ for ~~the 6th soldier tested, if there aren't any soldiers with the Gift and the first 5 failed to reveal any Psionics.~~		With [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s More Than Human option, the formula for testing is:

	~~The formula for testing is:~~		Psi Chance = (soldier Will) / 8) / (1 + Number of already existing Psionic soldiers)
	~~iChance~~ = (soldier Will) / 8) / (1 + Number of already existing Psionic soldiers)

	After you get the 1st Psionic, the chance for a 2nd Psionic while testing a soldier with 80 Will would be 80/8/2 or 5%.		After you get the 1st Psionic, the chance for a 2nd Psionic while testing a soldier with 80 Will would be 80/8/2 or 5%.

	==~~More Than Human~~==		===Automatic Psionic===
	If ~~this option is enabled then the odds will be much lower but the game uses a different formula to ensure~~ you'~~ll get your first Psionic soldier~~ on the ~~first 6 soldiers you test. If you test~~ 5 soldiers ~~without any of them becoming Psionic then~~ the 6th ~~one~~ will be a Psionic.		If you don't have any Psionics on the Barracks after 5 soldiers have been tested, the 6th tested soldier will automatically be a Psionic. This rule always applies, regardless if you are using More Than Human or not.
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	==See Also==		==See Also==
	{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}		{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}

Hobbes: /* Psi Chance */

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Psi Chance

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	A complete description of the code function can be found [http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888002-psi-soldier-chance/ here].		A complete description of the code function can be found [http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888002-psi-soldier-chance/ here].

			===More Than Human===
			With [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s More Than Human option, you're guaranteed to get a Psionic for the 6th soldier tested, if there aren't any soldiers with the Gift and the first 5 failed to reveal any Psionics.

			The formula for testing is:
			iChance = (soldier Will) / 8) / (1 + Number of already existing Psionic soldiers)

			After you get the 1st Psionic, the chance for a 2nd Psionic while testing a soldier with 80 Will would be 80/8/2 or 5%.

	==More Than Human==		==More Than Human==

Hobbes at 18:46, 2 November 2013

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	[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg~~\|thumb~~\|right\|~~300px~~\|The Psionic Lab.]]		{{Ref Open \| title = Description }}
	~~The Psionic Lab~~ will allow ~~you~~ to ~~test your [[Soldiers~~ (EU2012)\|~~soldiers]] for~~ [[~~Psionic~~ (EU2012)\|~~psionic~~]] ~~powers. You may test up to~~ 3 ~~soldiers at a~~ time~~, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during the 10~~ days ~~testing time.~~		[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg\|right\|200px\|The Psionic Lab]]
			This facility will allow us to discover and develop the latent psionic abilities of our soldiers. If they have any such capabilities, using them in the field will increase their strength.
			{{Ref Close \| source = XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)}}
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			==Notes==
			{{Facilities Data Box (EU2012)
			\|requires=[[Sectoid Commander Autopsy (EU2012)\|Sectoid Commander Autopsy]]
			\|manpower=N/A
			\|costs=§200, 20 Alloys, 20 Elerium
			\|power=3
			\|maintenance=§30 per month
			\|build time=14 days
			\|provides=see notes
			\|adjacency=N/A
			\|}}

	The chances of a soldier becoming Psionic depend on several factors:		Role: Contains 3 slots where soldiers can be put for 10 days to discover whether they are gifted in psionic skills.
			*The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your [[Soldiers (EU2012)\|soldiers]] for [[Psionic (EU2012)\|psionic]] powers. You may test up to 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during the 10 days testing time.
			*The chances of a soldier becoming Psionic depend on several factors:
	* The soldier's Will [[Stats (EU2012)\|stat]].		* The soldier's Will [[Stats (EU2012)\|stat]].
	* Its rank		* Its rank
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	==More Than Human==		==More Than Human==
	If this option is enabled then the odds will be much lower but the game uses a different formula to ensure you'll get your first Psionic soldier on the first 6 soldiers you test. If you test 5 soldiers without any of them becoming Psionic then the 6th one will be a Psionic.		If this option is enabled then the odds will be much lower but the game uses a different formula to ensure you'll get your first Psionic soldier on the first 6 soldiers you test. If you test 5 soldiers without any of them becoming Psionic then the 6th one will be a Psionic.
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	==See Also==		==See Also==
	{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}		{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}

Hobbes at 18:09, 22 October 2013

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	[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|The Psionic Lab.]]		[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|The Psionic Lab.]]
	The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your soldiers for psionic powers. You may test up to 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during 10 ~~day~~ testing time.		The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your [[Soldiers (EU2012)\|soldiers]] for [[Psionic (EU2012)\|psionic]] powers. You may test up to 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during the 10 days testing time.

	The chances ~~for getting~~ a ~~psionically gifted~~ soldier ~~seems to be random, but with a higher chance the better willpower the~~ soldier ~~has~~. ~~Because~~ of ~~this, the current assumption is that a Colonel that started out with 52 psionic powers and ranked up while the~~ [~~Iron Will] was active~~ (~~with the maximum 12 Will increase per new rank~~) ~~has the best chance of getting the gift. Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot~~ ''~~when placed~~''		The chances of a soldier becoming Psionic depend on several factors:
			* The soldier's Will [[Stats (EU2012)\|stat]].
			* Its rank
			* The number of already existing Psionic soldiers
			* Whether [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]]'s '''More Than Human''' option is activated or not.
			** If activated then the number of tested soldiers will count until you received your first Psionic.

	A soldier ~~with 50 willpower has less than 1%~~ chance ~~of being gifted. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/11es4r/should_i_wait_until_my_soldier_is_highest_rank~~/~~c6mq15a?context=3]~~		==Psi Chance==
			If a soldier is a Major/Colonel, then the basic formula applies:
			Psi chance = Soldier Will / 4

	~~Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance~~ of ~~being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have~~ a ~~recalculated~~ chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace. It can be done while status and mission notices appear, but you'll have to ignore them each time (and if you have 7 on the Doom Tracker, and a ~~Terror Mission pops up...). It is reccomended to use multiple save files if doing so. This will also conserve a lot of in-game time spent doing testing~~.		So a Major/Colonel soldier with a Will of 80 has a 20% chance of becoming a Psionic.

	~~To manipulate this:~~		With other ranks lower than these two, things get a bit more complicated:
	* Place your 3 soldiers in, ~~and then make~~ a ~~save.~~		Psi Chance = (Soldier Will + Bonus)/4
	* Complete the testing, make note of who passes.		Bonus = 75 - (Soldier Rank * 20) - (Six Existing Psionics * 40)
	* ~~Reload from the start of the 10 days.~~
	* ~~Take out and resubmit only those who ''will not'' pass (if it shifts the slot of those who ''will'' pass, do not worry: this does not de-gift them~~).
	* Then make a new save, and repeat as neccecary.

	~~If two (or all 3) fail~~, you ~~may find it helps~~ the ~~odds to put~~ a ~~different soldier~~ (or ~~two) in as~~ a ~~"placebo", put your desired soldier in, and take out the placebo~~(s) ~~to make room for your next desired soldier.~~		Soldier rank starts at 0 for Rookies, while if you already have 6 Psionic soldiers then the bonus gets decreased.
			* A Squaddie with 45 Will and less than 6 Psionics already present in the [[Barracks (EU2012)\|Barracks]] would have a Psi Chance of (45 + (75 - 20))/4 or 25%.
			* A Squaddie with 45 Will and 6 or more Psionics present would have a Psi Chance of (45 + (75 - 20 - 40) or 15%

	~~With Second Wave Options '''Not Created Equal''' & '''Hidden Potential''', and~~ the ~~OTS's '''Iron Will''' upgrade, those who you absolutley should manipulate to guaranteed Gifted status are those with Will~~/~~Aim scores of both +70~~/~~+80, though scores of about 65~~/~~75 are~~ a ~~good baseline, and will suffice~~ to ~~fill out a Psi Squadron. If~~ you ~~wish to do this while in Ironman Mode~~ on the ~~PC version,~~ you ~~can handle~~ the ~~save files through your OS~~.		A complete description of the code function can be found [http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888002-psi-soldier-chance/ here].

			==More Than Human==
			If this option is enabled then the odds will be much lower but the game uses a different formula to ensure you'll get your first Psionic soldier on the first 6 soldiers you test. If you test 5 soldiers without any of them becoming Psionic then the 6th one will be a Psionic.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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	[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|The Psionic Lab.]]		[[Image:PsiLabs.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|The Psionic Lab.]]
	The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your soldiers for psionic powers. You may test up ~~till~~ 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during 10 day testing time.		The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your soldiers for psionic powers. You may test up to 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during 10 day testing time.

	The chances for getting a psionically gifted soldier seems to be random, but with a higher chance the better willpower the soldier has. Because of this, the current assumption is that a Colonel that started out with 52 psionic powers and ranked up while the [Iron Will] was active (with the maximum 12 Will increase per new rank) has the best chance of getting the gift. Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot ''when placed''		The chances for getting a psionically gifted soldier seems to be random, but with a higher chance the better willpower the soldier has. Because of this, the current assumption is that a Colonel that started out with 52 psionic powers and ranked up while the [Iron Will] was active (with the maximum 12 Will increase per new rank) has the best chance of getting the gift. Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot ''when placed''

Xuncu at 22:27, 20 May 2013

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	The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your soldiers for psionic powers. You may test up till 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during 10 day testing time.		The Psionic Lab will allow you to test your soldiers for psionic powers. You may test up till 3 soldiers at a time, upon which they will be unable to join a mission during 10 day testing time.

	The chances for getting a psionically gifted soldier seems to be random, but with a higher chance the better willpower the soldier has. Because of this, the current assumption is that a Colonel that started out with 52 psionic powers and ranked up while the [Iron Will] was active (with the maximum 12 Will increase per new rank) has the best chance of getting the gift.		The chances for getting a psionically gifted soldier seems to be random, but with a higher chance the better willpower the soldier has. Because of this, the current assumption is that a Colonel that started out with 52 psionic powers and ranked up while the [Iron Will] was active (with the maximum 12 Will increase per new rank) has the best chance of getting the gift. Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot ''when placed''

	A soldier with 50 willpower has less than 1% chance of being gifted. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/11es4r/should_i_wait_until_my_soldier_is_highest_rank/c6mq15a?context=3]		A soldier with 50 willpower has less than 1% chance of being gifted. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/11es4r/should_i_wait_until_my_soldier_is_highest_rank/c6mq15a?context=3]

	Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace. It can be done while status and mission notices appear, but you'll have to ignore them each time (and if you have 7 on the Doom Tracker, and a Terror Mission pops up...). It is reccomended to use multiple save files if doing so.		Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace. It can be done while status and mission notices appear, but you'll have to ignore them each time (and if you have 7 on the Doom Tracker, and a Terror Mission pops up...). It is reccomended to use multiple save files if doing so. This will also conserve a lot of in-game time spent doing testing.

	To manipulate this: ~~Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot ''when placed''. In short: place~~ your 3 soldiers in. Complete the testing, make note of who passes. Reload~~, take~~ out and resubmit only those who do not pass (if it shifts the slot of those who ''will'' pass, do not worry: this does not de-gift them), and repeat as neccecary~~. If two or all 3 fail, you may find it helps the odds to put a different soldier in as a "placebo", put your desired soldier in, and take out the placebo~~.		To manipulate this:
			* Place your 3 soldiers in, and then make a save.
			* Complete the testing, make note of who passes.
			* Reload from the start of the 10 days.
			* Take out and resubmit only those who ''will not'' pass (if it shifts the slot of those who ''will'' pass, do not worry: this does not de-gift them).
			* Then make a new save, and repeat as neccecary.

	With Second Wave Options '''Not Created Equal''' & '''Hidden Potential''', and the OTS's '''Iron Will''' upgrade, those who you absolutley should manipulate to ~~guarantee~~ Gifted status are those with Will/Aim scores of both +70/+80, though ~~those with~~ scores of about 65/75 is a good ~~median~~, and will suffice to fill out a Psi Squadron.		If two (or all 3) fail, you may find it helps the odds to put a different soldier (or two) in as a "placebo", put your desired soldier in, and take out the placebo(s) to make room for your next desired soldier.

			With Second Wave Options '''Not Created Equal''' & '''Hidden Potential''', and the OTS's '''Iron Will''' upgrade, those who you absolutley should manipulate to guaranteed Gifted status are those with Will/Aim scores of both +70/+80, though scores of about 65/75 are a good baseline, and will suffice to fill out a Psi Squadron. If you wish to do this while in Ironman Mode on the PC version, you can handle the save files through your OS.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

Xuncu at 22:08, 20 May 2013

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	A soldier with 50 willpower has less than 1% chance of being gifted. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/11es4r/should_i_wait_until_my_soldier_is_highest_rank/c6mq15a?context=3]		A soldier with 50 willpower has less than 1% chance of being gifted. [http://www.reddit.com/r/Xcom/comments/11es4r/should_i_wait_until_my_soldier_is_highest_rank/c6mq15a?context=3]

	Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace.		Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace. It can be done while status and mission notices appear, but you'll have to ignore them each time (and if you have 7 on the Doom Tracker, and a Terror Mission pops up...). It is reccomended to use multiple save files if doing so.

			To manipulate this: Gifted status is calculated not also on Will scores, but also with whom else are they submitted with, and in which slot ''when placed''. In short: place your 3 soldiers in. Complete the testing, make note of who passes. Reload, take out and resubmit only those who do not pass (if it shifts the slot of those who ''will'' pass, do not worry: this does not de-gift them), and repeat as neccecary. If two or all 3 fail, you may find it helps the odds to put a different soldier in as a "placebo", put your desired soldier in, and take out the placebo.

			With Second Wave Options '''Not Created Equal''' & '''Hidden Potential''', and the OTS's '''Iron Will''' upgrade, those who you absolutley should manipulate to guarantee Gifted status are those with Will/Aim scores of both +70/+80, though those with scores of about 65/75 is a good median, and will suffice to fill out a Psi Squadron.

	==See Also==		==See Also==
	{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}		{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}

Leman Russ at 18:29, 20 April 2013

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	Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace.		Using Save and Load, it was found that the chance of being gifted is calculated immediately when the soldier is put in the Psi Lab. This means each time the same soldier is removed and re-added to the training tab, he/she would have a recalculated chance of being gifted. This is best done when you have ten days of uninterrupted peace.
			==See Also==
			{{Base Facilities (EU2012)}}

	[[Category: Enemy Unknown (2012)]]		[[Category: Enemy Unknown (2012)]]
	[[Category: Base Facilities (EU2012)]]		[[Category: Base Facilities (EU2012)]]