Proximity Grenade - Revision history

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	Proximity Grenades can also be removed through the use of [[Flying Suit]]s. A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius ''vertically'' -- so a soldier in a Flying Suit can safely approach the grenade while flying, drop down on top of it, and pick it up. The grenade will remain armed, but it will not detonate unless it is dropped and then triggered by movement.		Proximity Grenades can also be removed through the use of [[Flying Suit]]s. A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius ''vertically'' -- so a soldier in a Flying Suit can safely approach the grenade while flying, drop down on top of it, and pick it up. The grenade will remain armed, but it will not detonate unless it is dropped and then triggered by movement.

	When a primed Proximity Grenade accidentally lands in an adjacent square to your soldier when doing [[Grenade Relay]] ~~the~~ soldier can safely move ''away'' from it - it won't trigger.		When a primed Proximity Grenade accidentally lands in an adjacent square to your soldier when doing [[Grenade Relay]] that soldier can safely move ''away'' from it - it won't trigger.

	== Buggy behavior ==		== Buggy behavior ==

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	~~The~~ portable mine~~, this little~~ beauty ~~uses~~ a weighted base and ultrasonics to ~~set~~ up ~~a 3~~-meter detection ~~circle~~ with a 5-~~meter~~ explosion. Exceedingly useful for ~~mining~~ corridors in base defense missions ~~or "softening up" aliens emerging from~~ UFO doors.		This little portable mine is a sleeping beauty that utilizes a weighted base and ultrasonics to wake up when anything moves into its 1-meter detection radius and greet it with a 6-meters radius explosion. Exceedingly useful for trapping various choke points such as corridors in base defense missions and UFO doors.

	This weapon appears in ''[[X-COM\|UFO: Enemy Unknown]]''. For the ''[[TFTD\|Terror from the Deep]]'' equivalent, refer to the [[Particle Disturbance Grenade]].		This weapon appears in ''[[X-COM\|UFO: Enemy Unknown]]''. For the ''[[TFTD\|Terror from the Deep]]'' equivalent, refer to the [[Particle Disturbance Grenade]].
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	It is therefore best if you deliberately destroy undetonated grenades. This can be accomplished easily by throwing a standard armed [[grenade]] on top of one. It may be necessary to destroy Proximity Grenades left outside a UFO door as well, if no alien emerges after many turns.		It is therefore best if you deliberately destroy undetonated grenades. This can be accomplished easily by throwing a standard armed [[grenade]] on top of one. It may be necessary to destroy Proximity Grenades left outside a UFO door as well, if no alien emerges after many turns.

	Proximity Grenades can also be removed through the use of [[Flying Suit]]s. A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its ~~square~~ ''vertically'' -- so a soldier in a Flying Suit can safely approach the grenade while flying, drop down on top of it, and pick it up. The grenade will remain armed, but it will not detonate unless it is dropped and then triggered by movement.		Proximity Grenades can also be removed through the use of [[Flying Suit]]s. A grenade will not detonate when a unit moves into its detection radius ''vertically'' -- so a soldier in a Flying Suit can safely approach the grenade while flying, drop down on top of it, and pick it up. The grenade will remain armed, but it will not detonate unless it is dropped and then triggered by movement.

			When a primed Proximity Grenade accidentally lands in an adjacent square to your soldier when doing [[Grenade Relay]] the soldier can safely move ''away'' from it - it won't trigger.

	== Buggy behavior ==		== Buggy behavior ==
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	* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).		* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).
	* Just like all other live grenades in the game, it's safe to pick up an armed proximity grenade -- ''if it is already in your square''.		* Just like all other live grenades in the game, it's safe to pick up an armed proximity grenade -- ''if it is already in your square''.
	* PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw.		* PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk <u>away</u> from a mis-throw.
	* If all else fails, and you are trapped with nowhere to move and no way to defuse the mine: just stay still. Don't move and wait until the bomb squad arrives (i.e., wait until the mission ends). Additionally, keep other soldiers away from the unexploded mine.		* If all else fails, and you are trapped with nowhere to move and no way to defuse the mine: just stay still. Don't move and wait until the bomb squad arrives (i.e., wait until the mission ends). Additionally, keep other soldiers away from the unexploded mine.
	* PGs can be destroyed by explosives. A standard [[grenade]] works quite well.		* PGs can be destroyed by explosives. A standard [[grenade]] works quite well.

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	[[Category:Equipment (EU)]]		[[Category:Equipment (EU)]]
	[[Category: Tactics]]		[[Category: Tactics]]
			[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

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	== Tips ==		== Tips ==
	* Proximity grenades are worth considering ~~in place of~~ regular grenades when attacking aliens, especially in confined spaces such as X-COM and alien base corridors, where they are harder to avoid. Thrown at the feet of aliens, they function as if they had a timer setting somewhere between 0 and 1 -- going off after the end of your turn but as the aliens move. They are significantly more powerful than regular grenades making them especially useful against armoured aliens and those with high health.		* Proximity grenades are worth considering as an alternative to regular grenades when attacking aliens, especially in confined spaces such as X-COM and alien base corridors, where they are harder to avoid. Thrown at the feet of aliens, they function as if they had a timer setting somewhere between 0 and 1 -- going off after the end of your turn but as the aliens move. They are significantly more powerful than regular grenades making them especially useful against armoured aliens and those with high health.
	* On higher skill levels, many aliens can survive the blast of a proximity grenade. Mutons always shrug them off, some Snakemen and even the occasional Floater will survive. But even when a proximity grenade doesn't kill, they are still useful to soften up targets and -- perhaps more importantly -- acting as burglar alarms. When you see a prox grenade go off, it will alert you to an alien in the area.		* On higher skill levels, many aliens can survive the blast of a proximity grenade. Mutons always shrug them off, some Snakemen and even the occasional Floater will survive. But even when a proximity grenade doesn't kill, they are still useful to soften up targets and -- perhaps more importantly -- acting as burglar alarms. When you see a prox grenade go off, it will alert you to an alien in the area.
	* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).		* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).

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	This problem can be addressed by posting a "looter" just around the corner from the door (see the picture to the right for placement). After a grenade detonates, the looter should pick up one or more valuable items, retreat around the corner again, and another soldier can throw a new grenade, if desired. Ideally, the looter should have high TUs (60+), and you should not try to pick up everything unless you are certain the looter has sufficient TUs to get back to safety. Many looters have been lost due to lack of speed and excess of greed.		This problem can be addressed by posting a "looter" just around the corner from the door (see the picture to the right for placement). After a grenade detonates, the looter should pick up one or more valuable items, retreat around the corner again, and another soldier can throw a new grenade, if desired. Ideally, the looter should have high TUs (60+), and you should not try to pick up everything unless you are certain the looter has sufficient TUs to get back to safety. Many looters have been lost due to lack of speed and excess of greed.

	Another ~~option which isn't discussed much~~ is to throw the proximity grenade just inside the door to the UFO. ~~If an alien sets it~~ off, the explosion is confined to the inside since HE damage cannot propagate through the tough hull. This ~~allows~~ your soldiers ~~to get much closer~~ to the door ~~than otherwise possible~~. When used in conjunction with a [[Motion Scanner]], ~~your soldiers~~ can determine ~~the location of any~~ aliens close to the mine and decide whether to ~~purposefully trip~~ the ~~sensor~~ by walking up to the door~~. As before, anybody outside will be completely protected from the blast as it cannot make it through the walls. Thus, even unarmored units are safe~~.		Another possibility is to throw the proximity grenade just inside the door to the UFO. When the grenade is set off, the explosion is confined to the inside since HE damage cannot propagate through the tough hull. This means your soldiers can stand extremely close to the door and not worry about being hurt (from the grenade, anyway). When used in conjunction with a [[Motion Scanner]], you can determine if aliens are close to the mine and decide whether to deliberately set off the grenade by walking up to the door.

	== Proceed with caution ==		== Proceed with caution ==

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2011-01-23T09:58:26Z

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	== Tips ==		== Tips ==
	* On higher skill levels, many aliens can survive the blast of a proximity grenade. Mutons always shrug them off, some Snakemen and even the occasional Floater will survive. ~~Even~~ when a ~~prox~~ grenade doesn't kill, they are still useful to soften up targets and-- perhaps more importantly-- acting as burglar alarms. When you see a prox grenade go off, it will alert you to an alien in the area.		* Proximity grenades are worth considering in place of regular grenades when attacking aliens, especially in confined spaces such as X-COM and alien base corridors, where they are harder to avoid. Thrown at the feet of aliens, they function as if they had a timer setting somewhere between 0 and 1 -- going off after the end of your turn but as the aliens move. They are significantly more powerful than regular grenades making them especially useful against armoured aliens and those with high health.
			* On higher skill levels, many aliens can survive the blast of a proximity grenade. Mutons always shrug them off, some Snakemen and even the occasional Floater will survive. But even when a proximity grenade doesn't kill, they are still useful to soften up targets and -- perhaps more importantly -- acting as burglar alarms. When you see a prox grenade go off, it will alert you to an alien in the area.
			* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).
			* Just like all other live grenades in the game, it's safe to pick up an armed proximity grenade -- ''if it is already in your square''.
	* PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw.		* PGs detect movement into, but not out of, the eight surrounding squares, meaning you can walk away from a mis-throw.
	* PGs can safely be picked up by entering their square vertically (e.g. with flying suit).		* If all else fails, and you are trapped with nowhere to move and no way to defuse the mine: just stay still. Don't move and wait until the bomb squad arrives (i.e., wait until the mission ends). Additionally, keep other soldiers away from the unexploded mine.
	* The mine can be destroyed by explosives. However, it's only advisable to destroy the mine if there's no alternative. Even with armour, the explosive should be set off as far away from the soldier as possible, as your under armour is by far your most vulnerable spot. Make no mistakes.		* PGs can be destroyed by explosives. A standard [[grenade]] works quite well.
	* Just like every other live [[grenade]] in the game, it's safe to pick up an armed Proximity Grenade -- ''if it is already in your square''. It is strongly recommended that armed Proximity Grenades not be used in the [[Grenade Relay]] manoeuvre.		* With proximity grenades it's important to be aware of the BUG in the game - proximity grenades seem to disarm themselves if you resume a saved game. Makes load/save tactics impossible in a game where you are relying on proximity grenades.
	* If all else fails, and you are trapped with nowhere to move and no way to defuse the mine: just stay still. Don't move and wait until the bomb squad arrives (i.e., wait until the mission ends).		* Kasey Chang's X-COM walkthrough mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a proximity grenade on either side of it. This is bunk -- the game's AI is oblivious to proximity grenades, meaning aliens will do nothing to avoid them. Additionally, the first proximity grenade will destroy the second one.

	~~-- Collection of [[User:NKF\|NKF-Sensei's]] posts~~ by --[[~~User:JellyfishGreen\|JellyfishGreen~~]] ~~12:50, 25 Apr 2005 (BST)~~

	*Not so tricky to use really, and very useful. Certainly for a base defence I suggest you should use these instead of regular grenades. If you throw them at aliens they function in effect as if they had a timer setting somewhere between 0 and 1 - going off after the end of your turn but as the aliens move. They are significantly more powerful than regular grenades so especially useful against armoured aliens and/or those with high health.

	*With proximity grenades it's important to be aware of the BUG in the game - proximity grenades seem to disarm themselves if you resume a saved game. Makes load/save tactics impossible in a game where you are relying on proximity grenades.

	*Kasey Chang's X-COM walkthrough mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a proximity grenade on either side of it. This is bunk -- the game's AI is oblivious to proximity grenades, meaning aliens will do nothing to avoid them. Additionally, the first proximity grenade will destroy the second one.

	*Never use proximity grenades on Zombies -- this will just spawn a enemy Chryssalid during the aliens' turn, which can immediately attack you.		*Never use proximity grenades on Zombies -- this will just spawn a enemy Chryssalid during the aliens' turn, which can immediately attack you.

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	*Kasey Chang's X-COM walkthrough mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a proximity grenade on either side of it. This is bunk -- the game's AI is oblivious to proximity grenades, meaning aliens will do nothing to avoid them. Additionally, the first proximity grenade will destroy the second one.		*Kasey Chang's X-COM walkthrough mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a proximity grenade on either side of it. This is bunk -- the game's AI is oblivious to proximity grenades, meaning aliens will do nothing to avoid them. Additionally, the first proximity grenade will destroy the second one.

	*Never use proximity grenades on Zombies -- it will just spawn a enemy Chryssalid during the aliens' turn, which can ~~then~~ immediately attack you.		*Never use proximity grenades on Zombies -- this will just spawn a enemy Chryssalid during the aliens' turn, which can immediately attack you.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

Ethereal Cereal: /* Tips */ rewrite a couple of old ones

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	*With proximity grenades it's important to be aware of the BUG in the game - proximity grenades seem to disarm themselves if you resume a saved game. Makes load/save tactics impossible in a game where you are relying on proximity grenades.		*With proximity grenades it's important to be aware of the BUG in the game - proximity grenades seem to disarm themselves if you resume a saved game. Makes load/save tactics impossible in a game where you are relying on proximity grenades.

	*~~The walkthrough of~~ Kasey Chang mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a ~~prox~~ grenade on either side of it ~~- since prox~~. ~~grenades only react to movement whose destination square~~ is ~~inside their detection radius, it can~~'~~t move without setting one off~~, ~~unless it can fly~~. ~~Note that in UFO~~, the first ~~Proximity Grenade~~ will destroy the second one. ~~As such, you should NEVER~~ use ~~this~~ on Zombies ~~because you~~ will ~~effectively~~ spawn a enemy Chryssalid ~~with full TUs '''~~during'~~'' the Alien Turn~~, ~~meaning they get to use it RIGHT AWAY. (In addition, if~~ you ~~have enough TUs to mine in an alien, you probably should just shoot the thing~~.)		*Kasey Chang's X-COM walkthrough mentions that you can pin aliens by throwing a proximity grenade on either side of it. This is bunk -- the game's AI is oblivious to proximity grenades, meaning aliens will do nothing to avoid them. Additionally, the first proximity grenade will destroy the second one.

			*Never use proximity grenades on Zombies -- it will just spawn a enemy Chryssalid during the aliens' turn, which can then immediately attack you.

	== See also ==		== See also ==

Bomb Bloke at 05:45, 18 December 2009

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	The portable mine, this little beauty uses a weighted base and ultrasonics to set up a 3-meter detection circle with a 5-meter explosion. Exceedingly useful for mining corridors in base defense missions or "softening up" aliens emerging from UFO doors.		The portable mine, this little beauty uses a weighted base and ultrasonics to set up a 3-meter detection circle with a 5-meter explosion. Exceedingly useful for mining corridors in base defense missions or "softening up" aliens emerging from UFO doors.

			This weapon appears in ''[[X-COM\|UFO: Enemy Unknown]]''. For the ''[[TFTD\|Terror from the Deep]]'' equivalent, refer to the [[Particle Disturbance Grenade]].

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	== Earning experience the hard way ==		== Earning experience the hard way ==
	Unlike other explosives, the Proximity Grenade does not give [[Firing Accuracy\|firing accuracy]] experience points for hits to the person throwing it (although this will give you throwing experience). Instead, it gives firing XPs to the person who triggers it to explode.		Unlike other explosives, the Proximity Grenade does not give [[Firing Accuracy\|firing accuracy]] experience points for hits to the person throwing it (although this will give you throwing experience). Instead, it gives firing XPs to the person, or more optimistically, alien, who triggers it to explode.

	Unfortunately, the accompanying pain and death make it a dubious choice for earning experience, especially early in the game (when you don't have the armor to go near one). For more on experience points, see [[Experience#How Experience Points Are Applied\|here]].		Unfortunately, the accompanying pain and death make it a dubious choice for earning experience, especially early in the game (when you don't have the armor to go near one). For more on experience points, see [[Experience#How Experience Points Are Applied\|here]]. You can use [[User:Seb76\|UFO Extender]] to give the person throwing it the experience.

	:''I made the finding that Prox Grenades goofily give experience to the person that made it explode. But it's occurred to me that I triggered the Prox with soldiers in FS armor, and there may be different outcomes if an alien triggers it and/or the unit that triggers it dies. If anyone wants to look into this, have at it. I don't have the time ATM. - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]''		:''I made the finding that Prox Grenades goofily give experience to the person that made it explode. But it's occurred to me that I triggered the Prox with soldiers in FS armor, and there may be different outcomes if an alien triggers it and/or the unit that triggers it dies. If anyone wants to look into this, have at it. I don't have the time ATM. - [[User:MikeTheRed\|MikeTheRed]]''