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Parogen: /* Equipment */ titan armor should be good

2025-04-02T13:27:37Z

Equipment: titan armor should be good

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	A different approach should be taken for a machinegunner or suppressor build as the primary weapon will be the Heavy's bread and butter weapon.		A different approach should be taken for a machinegunner or suppressor build as the primary weapon will be the Heavy's bread and butter weapon.

	'''Armor:''' Heavies will typically be near the front of your group, as they need to advance ~~and~~ sit still in order to ~~put rockets where they need to be~~. As a result, armor is a fairly big priority for Heavies, and they should be considered after Assaults for cutting edge suits if you can't outfit your full team. [[Skeleton Suit (EU2012)\|Skeleton Armor]] and [[Ghost Armor (EU2012)\|Ghost Armor]] eliminate mobility issues, with the invisibility from Ghost Armor being particularly helpful in setting up rockets, flanks, or moving into point-blank range to counteract their lesser Aim. [[Titan Armor (EU2012)\|Titan Armor]]~~, despite being~~ the ~~"heaviest~~," is ~~not always~~ the ~~best choice due~~ to ~~the aforementioned mobility consideration~~.		'''Armor:''' Heavies will typically be near the front of your group, as they need to either advance to throw a grenade or sit still in order to rocket. As a result, armor is a fairly big priority for Heavies, and they should be considered after Assaults for cutting edge suits if you can't outfit your full team. [[Skeleton Suit (EU2012)\|Skeleton Armor]] and [[Ghost Armor (EU2012)\|Ghost Armor]] eliminate mobility issues, with the invisibility from Ghost Armor being particularly helpful in setting up rockets, flanks, or moving into point-blank range to counteract their lesser Aim. [[Titan Armor (EU2012)\|Titan Armor]] is a great choice for the Bullet Swarm Machinegunner, as mobility is less of a concern. Though ideally no one gets hurt, if shots have to be taken, the Machinegunner with Titan Armor and Will to Survive is decent bait/sponge.

	'''Item:''' If you went Grenadier grab a Grenade. If you have HEAT ammo and are facing Cyberdiscs/Drones, grab a grenade. A [[S.C.O.P.E. (EU2012)\|S.C.O.P.E.]] can improve the Heavy's low Aim, improving their long range combat effectiveness with the machine gun, making it a useful item for any build except for a Grenadier. Heavies also make decent carriers of [[Medikit (EU2012)\|Medikits]] if your Supports for some reason don't have enough. [[Chitin Plating (EU2012)\|Chitin Plating]] serves as a decent extra padding in any instance that requires your Heavy to get very close to the action.		'''Item:''' If you went Grenadier grab a Grenade. If you have HEAT ammo and are facing Cyberdiscs/Drones, grab a grenade. A [[S.C.O.P.E. (EU2012)\|S.C.O.P.E.]] can improve the Heavy's low Aim, improving their long range combat effectiveness with the machine gun, making it a useful item for any build except for a Grenadier. Heavies also make decent carriers of [[Medikit (EU2012)\|Medikits]] if your Supports for some reason don't have enough. [[Chitin Plating (EU2012)\|Chitin Plating]] serves as a decent extra padding in any instance that requires your Heavy to get very close to the action.

Parogen: /* Abilities */ not tangible imo. it does not exactly matter how high aim a heavy has, the trade off is moreso boosting Overwatch potential damage (on all aliens) vs having a higher damage ceiling when dealing with robotics

2025-03-26T10:50:00Z

Abilities: not tangible imo. it does not exactly matter how high aim a heavy has, the trade off is moreso boosting Overwatch potential damage (on all aliens) vs having a higher damage ceiling when dealing with robotics

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	* Be sure you get the [[Foundry (EU2012)#Ammo Conservation\|Ammo Conservation]] project done in the Foundry or you will find that this is a fantastic way to empty your magazine.		* Be sure you get the [[Foundry (EU2012)#Ammo Conservation\|Ammo Conservation]] project done in the Foundry or you will find that this is a fantastic way to empty your magazine.
	* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.		* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.
	* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].
	* Could be thought of as +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied, ignoring aim. Including unmodified soldier aim and certain enemy defences into the calculation, you can expect between 20-37% boost on expected Overwatch damage overall, where the low end is a Lieutenant with 70 aim shooting at a 30 defence Muton Elite and the high end is a 75 aim Colonel against 0 defence. With aim modifiers, the expected damage increases, capped to 49%.		* Could be thought of as +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied, ignoring aim. Including unmodified soldier aim and certain enemy defences into the calculation, you can expect between 20-37% boost on expected Overwatch damage overall, where the low end is a Lieutenant with 70 aim shooting at a 30 defence Muton Elite and the high end is a 75 aim Colonel against 0 defence. With aim modifiers, the expected damage increases, capped to 49%.

Parogen: /* Abilities */

2025-03-26T10:46:11Z

Abilities

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	* HEAT boosted grenades will make short work of [[Drone (EU2012)\|Drones]], saving your squad a lot of wasted effort.		* HEAT boosted grenades will make short work of [[Drone (EU2012)\|Drones]], saving your squad a lot of wasted effort.
	* One of few ways to scale your explosives damage, until [[Blaster Launcher (EU2012)\|Blaster Launcher]] is available;		* One of few ways to scale your explosives damage, until [[Blaster Launcher (EU2012)\|Blaster Launcher]] is available;
	* If combined with Bullet Swarm, Heavies can dole out massive quantities of damage to robotic units, and the team can even drop Cyberdiscs and Sectopods in one turn.		* If combined with '''Bullet Swarm''', Heavies can dole out massive quantities of damage to robotic units, and the team can even drop Cyberdiscs and Sectopods in one turn.
	* On the [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)\|Enemy Within DLC]] the bonus damage has been reduced from 100% to 50%, making it less attractive.		* On the [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)\|Enemy Within DLC]] the bonus damage has been reduced from 100% to 50%, making it less attractive.

Parogen: /* Abilities */ mention holo tartgeting suppression combo

2025-03-26T10:45:09Z

Abilities: mention holo tartgeting suppression combo

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	'''Suppression'''		'''Suppression'''
	* Also a handy utility skill;
	* Can be used to pin down an alien and prevent it from moving (and [[Flanking (EU2012)\|flanking]] your position).		* Can be used to pin down an alien and prevent it from moving (and [[Flanking (EU2012)\|flanking]] your position).
	* Suppression will also drop its target's Aim by 30%.		* Suppression will also drop its target's Aim by 30%.
			* Becomes a great half measure when paired with '''Holo-Targeting'''. Improves the chances for the rest of the squad to damage the target while having the contingency plan of threatening the target from acting.

Parogen: /* Abilities */

2025-03-25T11:21:26Z

Abilities

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	* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.		* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.
	* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].		* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].
	* Could be thought of as +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including ~~typical~~ aim and certain enemy defences into the ~~equation~~, it can ~~range~~ between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.		* Could be thought of as +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied, ignoring aim. Including unmodified soldier aim and certain enemy defences into the calculation, you can expect between 20-37% boost on expected Overwatch damage overall, where the low end is a Lieutenant with 70 aim shooting at a 30 defence Muton Elite and the high end is a 75 aim Colonel against 0 defence. With aim modifiers, the expected damage increases, capped to 49%.

Parogen: /* Abilities */

2025-03-25T07:28:48Z

Abilities

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	* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.		* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.
	* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].		* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].
	* Could ~~also~~ be thought of as a +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including typical aim and certain enemy defences into the equation, it can range between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.		* Could be thought of as +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including typical aim and certain enemy defences into the equation, it can range between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.

Parogen: /* Abilities */

2025-03-25T06:16:38Z

Abilities

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	* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].		* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].
	* Could also be thought of as a +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including typical aim and certain enemy defences into the equation, it can range between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.		* Could also be thought of as a +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including typical aim and certain enemy defences into the equation, it can range between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.


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Parogen: /* Abilities */ rapid reaction expected damage

2025-03-25T06:15:43Z

Abilities: rapid reaction expected damage

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	'''Rapid Reaction'''		'''Rapid Reaction'''
	* The complement to HEAT Ammo: an ability for ~~use against~~ weaker enemies as found in [[Missions (EU2012)#Council Missions\|Council missions]]~~, specially during Overwatch ambushes~~;		* The complement to HEAT Ammo: an ability for amplifying overall Overwatch damage and/or for picking off weaker enemies separately, for instance as found in [[Missions (EU2012)#Council Missions\|Council missions]];
	* Rapid Reaction can also be very useful to guard rooms and corridors;		* Rapid Reaction can also be very useful to guard rooms and corridors;
	* Be sure you get the [[Foundry (EU2012)#Ammo Conservation\|Ammo Conservation]] project done in the Foundry or you will find that this is a fantastic way to empty your magazine.		* Be sure you get the [[Foundry (EU2012)#Ammo Conservation\|Ammo Conservation]] project done in the Foundry or you will find that this is a fantastic way to empty your magazine.
	* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.		* The AI almost never moves when suppressed, so this has surprisingly little synergy with '''Suppression'''.
	* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].		* Can give disappointing results given that Heavies have the lowest aim of all the classes, and the first overwatch shot (with its penalty) has to hit in order to trigger the second shot. Consider giving this ability to Heavies with high aim when using the Hidden Potential option in [[Second Wave (EU2012)\|Second Wave]].
			* Could also be thought of as a +49% expected damage on Overwatches after reaction shot penalty is applied. Including typical aim and certain enemy defences into the equation, it can range between 20-49% boost on expected Overwatch damage.

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Parogen at 11:52, 22 March 2025

2025-03-22T11:52:22Z

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	* Consider whether you typically have grenades on any of your other units. If not, giving up a wildly-inaccurate Heavy shot to hurl a grenade is not a big sacrifice by any stretch, and the rest of your squad will thank you for blowing the enemy's cover.		* Consider whether you typically have grenades on any of your other units. If not, giving up a wildly-inaccurate Heavy shot to hurl a grenade is not a big sacrifice by any stretch, and the rest of your squad will thank you for blowing the enemy's cover.
	* Similarly, if you think you'd rather Kool-Aid Man through a wall instead of using the door, doing it with a grenade beats burning a rocket on it.		* Similarly, if you think you'd rather Kool-Aid Man through a wall instead of using the door, doing it with a grenade beats burning a rocket on it.
	* In practice, the extra grenade from Grenadier is relatively anti-synergistic with Bullet Swarm considering that you often want to destroy cover first before shooting. This would mean using other squadmates' explosives first, to take advantage of Bullet Swarm, leaving the Bullet Swarm Heavy's grenades for last.		* In practice, the extra grenade from Grenadier is relatively anti-synergistic with '''Bullet Swarm''' considering that you often want to destroy cover first before shooting. This would mean using other squadmates' explosives first, to take advantage of Bullet Swarm, leaving the Bullet Swarm Heavy's grenades for last.
	* In the [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)\|Enemy Within DLC]], [[Frag Grenade (EU2012)\|Frag]], [[Needle Grenade (EU2012)\|Needle]] and Alien Grenades now also have +1 damage with this ability.		* In the [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)\|Enemy Within DLC]], [[Frag Grenade (EU2012)\|Frag]], [[Needle Grenade (EU2012)\|Needle]] and Alien Grenades now also have +1 damage with this ability.
	* The Enemy Within DLC also indirectly buffs this ability, with the more varied grenades available (including the very useful Ghost Grenade) and the second item slot meaning your Heavy can still have some flexibility while packing a grenade in one slot.		* The Enemy Within DLC also indirectly buffs this ability, with the more varied grenades available (including the very useful Ghost Grenade) and the second item slot meaning your Heavy can still have some flexibility while packing a grenade in one slot.

Parogen at 10:45, 22 March 2025

2025-03-22T10:45:15Z

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	'''Bullet Swarm'''		'''Bullet Swarm'''
	* Gives great tactical flexibility. It allows for Fire and Move, Fire and Fire, Fire and [[Overwatch (EU2012)\|Overwatch]], Fire and [[Suppression (EU2012)\|Suppress]], Fire and Throw Grenade and (of course) Fire and Reload. In particular, shooting twice ends up yielding a statistically better chance of hitting a particular alien than Holo-Targeting him and ordering the rest of your Rookies to open fire.		* Gives great tactical flexibility. It allows for Fire and Move, Fire and Fire, Fire and Hunker down, Fire and [[Overwatch (EU2012)\|Overwatch]], Fire and [[Suppression (EU2012)\|Suppress]], Fire and Throw Grenade and (of course) Fire and Reload. In particular, shooting twice ends up yielding a statistically better chance of hitting a particular alien than Holo-Targeting him and ordering the rest of your Rookies to open fire.
	* Also, firing twice gives the Heavy two chances to destroy his target's cover; in this event, he has just granted your squad ''more'' than the benefit of Holo-Targeting.		* Also, firing twice gives the Heavy two chances to destroy his target's cover; in this event, he has just granted your squad ''more'' than the benefit of Holo-Targeting.
	* The downside is faster ammo consumption.		* The downside is faster ammo consumption.