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	Grenades are generally supplanted by the heavy cannon, which is simply easier to use in the early game.		Grenades are generally supplanted by the heavy cannon, which is simply easier to use in the early game.

	High Explosives stay useful the entire game if you desire scorched earth tactics. They are difficult to throw but stay stronger than alien grenades and are super cheap to replace. OpenXcom lets you prime grenades before starting a mission, so load down a grenadier with 6 or more primed HE and clear out a huge chunk of map in one turn. If you can not throw HE the distance, then alien grenades are an excellent substitute.		High Explosives stay useful the entire game if you desire scorched earth tactics. They are difficult to throw but stay stronger than alien grenades and are super cheap to replace. [[OpenXcom]] lets you prime grenades before starting a mission, so load down a grenadier with 6 or more primed HE and clear out a huge chunk of map in one turn. If you can not throw HE the distance, then alien grenades are an excellent substitute.

	Remember that aliens do not take reaction fire if they can not see the agent throwing the grenade, even if it lands in their face. This makes grenades excellent for throwing around hills or corners, or against aliens that are simply facing away from your group. HE deals reliable 1 hit kills against just about anything before Mutons and Sectopods.		Remember that aliens do not take reaction fire if they can not see the agent throwing the grenade, even if it lands in their face. This makes grenades excellent for throwing around hills or corners, or against aliens that are simply facing away from your group. HE deals reliable 1 hit kills against just about anything before Mutons and Sectopods.

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	Grenades are generally supplanted by the heavy cannon, which is simply easier to use in the early game.		Grenades are generally supplanted by the heavy cannon, which is simply easier to use in the early game.

	High Explosives stay useful the entire game if you desire scorched earth tactics. They are difficult to throw but stay stronger than alien grenades and are super cheap to replace. ~~OpenApoc~~ lets you prime grenades before starting a mission, so load down a grenadier with 6 or more primed HE and clear out a huge chunk of map in one turn. If you can not throw HE the distance, then alien grenades are an excellent substitute.		High Explosives stay useful the entire game if you desire scorched earth tactics. They are difficult to throw but stay stronger than alien grenades and are super cheap to replace. OpenXcom lets you prime grenades before starting a mission, so load down a grenadier with 6 or more primed HE and clear out a huge chunk of map in one turn. If you can not throw HE the distance, then alien grenades are an excellent substitute.

	Remember that aliens do not take reaction fire if they can not see the agent throwing the grenade, even if it lands in their face. This makes grenades excellent for throwing around hills or corners, or against aliens that are simply facing away from your group. HE deals reliable 1 hit kills against just about anything before Mutons and Sectopods.		Remember that aliens do not take reaction fire if they can not see the agent throwing the grenade, even if it lands in their face. This makes grenades excellent for throwing around hills or corners, or against aliens that are simply facing away from your group. HE deals reliable 1 hit kills against just about anything before Mutons and Sectopods.

NKF: /* Pistol vs Rifle */ They're not that bad. At least not as bad as the TFTD Dart gun!

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Pistol vs Rifle: They're not that bad. At least not as bad as the TFTD Dart gun!

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	== Pistol vs Rifle==		== Pistol vs Rifle==
	No. ~~Just no~~. ~~Both~~ weapons are ~~terrible~~. Do not ~~under ANY circumstances even consider~~ the ~~use~~ of ~~either one~~ of ~~these weapons~~. ~~They~~ are ~~ROOKIE KILLERS~~. The ~~damage~~ is ~~FAR too low~~ to ~~make reliable kills~~, and the ~~accuracy isn't good~~ enough to ~~trust~~. ~~Use ANY~~ other ~~starting weapon~~, ~~even~~ the ~~stun rod at least FEELS good when it works out~~. ~~Rush your research efforts to~~ laser ~~weapons, then never look at these awful toys again~~.
			The pistol and rifle are low damage weapons. They deal 26 and 30 average Armour Piercing damage respectively. They are reasonable weapons for dealing with aliens with low armour such as Sectoids and Floaters, but are otherwise highly inadequate against heavily armoured aliens such as the Mutons and all the Terror Units. These weapons will want to be replaced or supplemented with stronger weapons to counter the stronger aliens.

			Since the damage difference is negligible between the two weapons, the ''best'' of the two weapons depends entirely on which of the three shot types that you will want to be using the most.

			The pistol is the king of the snap shot. It is fast and has the same accuracy as the Rifle, allowing for 5 shots from a standstill. Though not having an auto mode, the relative speed and moderate accuracy of the snapshot makes up for it. This makes the pistol the better of the two for picking off targets from mid range. The speed provides better mobility and makes it an excellent weapon for reaction fire. The size of the pistol makes it a decent backup weapon until better pistols are available. The one hand grip allows you to carry an alternate weapon such as a grenade to deal with situations where the pistol may not be the best solution.

			The Rifle works reasonably well at all ranges. It is the better of the two for close range combat thanks to its auto fire mode, allowing for three uninterrupted shots. The Rifle's aimed mode is on par with the Heavy Plasma and Small Launcher. However, sniping with the rifle is difficult because it is extremely slow and deals low damage. Given time or enough soldiers training their rifles on the same target, the rifle is the better of the two weapons for accurate long range aimed shots.

			In summary, if you plan to use snap shots a lot, the pistol is better. For all other firing modes, the rifle is better. Replace them with their laser or plasma counterparts as soon as possible.

	== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==		== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==

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Smoke Grenade: typo

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	Smoke is quite possibly the most powerful grenade type in the game. Aliens can not attack what they can not see! This means you can effectively remove the two leading causes of agent death in the game- 1) Aliens walking up and shooting you and 2) Aliens taking reaction shots at you. This benefit is not restricted to daytime either. Smoke is the great equalizer at night, causing XCOM and aliens to have nearly equal vision range (aliens have one more vision range). Bring smoke to EVERY mission and drop a minimum of two- one to cover the ground and one to cover agents inside the Skyranger. Spread more smoke anywhere your agents have to move and use rookies to scout out potential targets. Keep snipers inside the smoke and shoot with impunity.		Smoke is quite possibly the most powerful grenade type in the game. Aliens can not attack what they can not see! This means you can effectively remove the two leading causes of agent death in the game- 1) Aliens walking up and shooting you and 2) Aliens taking reaction shots at you. This benefit is not restricted to daytime either. Smoke is the great equalizer at night, causing XCOM and aliens to have nearly equal vision range (aliens have one more vision range). Bring smoke to EVERY mission and drop a minimum of two- one to cover the ground and one to cover agents inside the Skyranger. Spread more smoke anywhere your agents have to move and use rookies to scout out potential targets. Keep snipers inside the smoke and shoot with impunity.

	Smoke will deal stun damage if your agents stay inside it too long. Generally this is not going to cause any trouble as long if you keep doing the mission at a good pace. Agents that get injured will probably pass out, but that can also save them from getting shot a second time.		Smoke will deal stun damage if your agents stay inside it too long. Generally this is not going to cause any trouble as long as you keep doing the mission at a good pace. Agents that get injured will probably pass out, but that can also save them from getting shot a second time.

	If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form.		If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form.

Bobucles: /* Smoke Grenade */

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Smoke Grenade

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	Smoke is quite possibly the most powerful grenade type in the game. Aliens can not attack what they can not see! This means you can effectively remove the two leading causes of agent death in the game- 1) Aliens walking up and shooting you and 2) Aliens taking reaction shots at you. This benefit is not restricted to daytime either. Smoke is the great equalizer at night, causing XCOM and aliens to have nearly equal vision range (aliens have one more vision range). Bring smoke to EVERY mission and drop a minimum of two- one to cover the ground and one to cover agents inside the Skyranger. Spread more smoke anywhere your agents have to move and use rookies to scout out potential targets. Keep snipers inside the smoke and shoot with impunity.		Smoke is quite possibly the most powerful grenade type in the game. Aliens can not attack what they can not see! This means you can effectively remove the two leading causes of agent death in the game- 1) Aliens walking up and shooting you and 2) Aliens taking reaction shots at you. This benefit is not restricted to daytime either. Smoke is the great equalizer at night, causing XCOM and aliens to have nearly equal vision range (aliens have one more vision range). Bring smoke to EVERY mission and drop a minimum of two- one to cover the ground and one to cover agents inside the Skyranger. Spread more smoke anywhere your agents have to move and use rookies to scout out potential targets. Keep snipers inside the smoke and shoot with impunity.

	If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form.		Smoke will deal stun damage if your agents stay inside it too long. Generally this is not going to cause any trouble as long if you keep doing the mission at a good pace. Agents that get injured will probably pass out, but that can also save them from getting shot a second time.

			If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form.

	=Summaries=		=Summaries=

Bobucles: Woooow. This guide needed a serious update.

2014-11-16T01:43:17Z

Woooow. This guide needed a serious update.

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	== Pistol vs Rifle==		== Pistol vs Rifle==
	~~The rifle is just better~~. The ~~pistol has lower~~ damage, accuracy ~~and clip size~~. ~~It may be useful~~ to ~~use one as a side arm for someone with a rocket launcher though~~.		No. Just no. Both weapons are terrible. Do not under ANY circumstances even consider the use of either one of these weapons. They are ROOKIE KILLERS. The damage is FAR too low to make reliable kills, and the accuracy isn't good enough to trust. Use ANY other starting weapon, even the stun rod at least FEELS good when it works out. Rush your research efforts to laser weapons, then never look at these awful toys again.

	== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==		== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==
	~~Generally speaking you not going~~ to ~~need~~ to ~~uses these~~. By the time you ~~meet something that~~ can't be ~~killed~~ with ~~bullets your going to have~~ laser weapons ~~which outclass both of theses~~.		Autocannons have one great use during night time missions. Equip a rookie with incendiary ammo and use autoshot. If his aim is bad enough (yes lower is BETTER) then he will spray light-giving fire across a large portion of the map. Unfortunately the HE ammo isn't quite good enough to use and there is no point to using AP ammo. It frequently takes more than one blast to kill a target, and another hit may accidentally destroy valuable loot. That's no good.

			Heavy Cannons are decent against early game Sectoids and Floaters. Use explosive rounds all the time because they have less damage variance and can strike underside armor. Since explosives deal quadruple hits against large units they will pulverize Reapers and be good against Cyberdiscs. Compare them to grenades and you have a launcher which can be fired with decent aim 2 or 3 times a turn.

			The Heavy Cannon is moderately outclassed by laser weapons. You may find the explosion effect makes them slightly easier for rookies to use, and they are useful for removing active proximity mines. They are nearly harmless against XCOM agents with alloy armor so they are safe to place on PSI weenies.

	== Rocket Launcher ==		== Rocket Launcher ==
	~~This is another~~ weapon that is not ~~really needed~~. ~~Most aliens~~ will ~~be spread out~~, ~~minimizing it's effectiveness~~ and ~~it can destroy UFO components~~ you will ~~need~~.If you are ~~an explosion happy person, use this~~ against Reapers ~~and Cyberdisks~~ or ~~other high health aliens~~.		Rocket launchers are an excellent weapon that can serve you the entire game. They flatten terrain, have excellent accuracy, and deal reliable 1-hit kills on nearly anything. One of their most powerful attributes is the smoke from the explosion. Enemies check their vision after taking damage, so if the smoke suddenly blinds them, you will not get hit with reaction fire. The large explosion range means that even a near miss will frequently kill its target. Kneeling aimed shots are nearly guaranteed kills even with rookies.

			The rocket launcher is not a weapon you take one of. To truly understand how it works, take 6 or more with 2-4 large rockets each. Flatten everything in your way and liquify everything that moves. Any time you see an alien, flatten ALL the terrain around him. Chances are you will not only kill the targeted alien, but will get a bonus kill as well. Keep 2-3 agents ready to fire and you can snipe down any problem that comes your way.

			Rocket launchers are effective against all terror units and will crush Reapers/Cyberdiscs. They deal moderate damage against Sectopods but a few large rockets can do the job in a pinch. Launchers are VERY dangerous with psi weenies! Be careful when giving rockets to a low quality agent because one panicked or mind controlled shot can wipe out even an alloy armor squad. As a side benefit the explosions will also cause some object types to catch fire, giving you free light sources at night.

	== Stun Rod ==		== Stun Rod ==
	Stun rods ~~are a must~~. If not used, all capturing must be done with a small launcher. While small launchers ~~are~~ range, they need ammo and have only 1 shot per clip combined with a low dual-wielding accuracy.		Stun rods nearly mandatory to get the key research topics needed to beat XCOM. If not used, all capturing must be done with a small launcher or from extreme luck with weaker weapons. While small launchers can stun at range, they need ammo and have only 1 shot per clip combined with a low dual-wielding accuracy.

	== Grenade vs High Explosive ==		== Grenade vs High Explosive ==
	Grenades are generally ~~better~~.They are ~~more accurate~~ and are ~~lighter than high explosives~~, and ~~both~~ are ~~quickly outclassed by alien~~ grenades ~~anyway~~.		Grenades are generally supplanted by the heavy cannon, which is simply easier to use in the early game.

			High Explosives stay useful the entire game if you desire scorched earth tactics. They are difficult to throw but stay stronger than alien grenades and are super cheap to replace. OpenApoc lets you prime grenades before starting a mission, so load down a grenadier with 6 or more primed HE and clear out a huge chunk of map in one turn. If you can not throw HE the distance, then alien grenades are an excellent substitute.

			Remember that aliens do not take reaction fire if they can not see the agent throwing the grenade, even if it lands in their face. This makes grenades excellent for throwing around hills or corners, or against aliens that are simply facing away from your group. HE deals reliable 1 hit kills against just about anything before Mutons and Sectopods.

	== Proximity Grenade ==		== Proximity Grenade ==
	~~I only really~~ use ~~these for base defense, although~~ they ~~can be used for breaches~~. ~~Just remember~~ where you ~~put them~~. ~~Many~~ a ~~good soldier has been killed by his own proxy grenade~~.		Proximity grenades are difficult to use even when they are not glitched and you know how to use them. They depend on you being able to anticipate alien movement. Place them as an early warning system on corridors where you expect trouble, or one tile away from UFO doors to blast aliens that walk outside. Despite their good damage they are not to be trusted as a killing solution. Expect the alien to survive and have a backup plan to take it out.

	== Smoke Grenade ==		== Smoke Grenade ==
	If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form~~. In the event that you can actually use these effectively, they can be life savers but are generally not used by most commanders~~.		Smoke is quite possibly the most powerful grenade type in the game. Aliens can not attack what they can not see! This means you can effectively remove the two leading causes of agent death in the game- 1) Aliens walking up and shooting you and 2) Aliens taking reaction shots at you. This benefit is not restricted to daytime either. Smoke is the great equalizer at night, causing XCOM and aliens to have nearly equal vision range (aliens have one more vision range). Bring smoke to EVERY mission and drop a minimum of two- one to cover the ground and one to cover agents inside the Skyranger. Spread more smoke anywhere your agents have to move and use rookies to scout out potential targets. Keep snipers inside the smoke and shoot with impunity.

			If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form.

	=Summaries=		=Summaries=

GAAAAAHTENTACULTS! at 15:21, 31 May 2014

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	== Pistol vs Rifle==		== Pistol vs Rifle==
			The rifle is just better. The pistol has lower damage, accuracy and clip size. It may be useful to use one as a side arm for someone with a rocket launcher though.

	== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==		== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==
			Generally speaking you not going to need to uses these. By the time you meet something that can't be killed with bullets your going to have laser weapons which outclass both of theses.

	== Rocket Launcher ==		== Rocket Launcher ==
			This is another weapon that is not really needed. Most aliens will be spread out, minimizing it's effectiveness and it can destroy UFO components you will need.If you are an explosion happy person, use this against Reapers and Cyberdisks or other high health aliens.

	== Stun Rod ==		== Stun Rod ==
			Stun rods are a must. If not used, all capturing must be done with a small launcher. While small launchers are range, they need ammo and have only 1 shot per clip combined with a low dual-wielding accuracy.

	== Grenade vs High Explosive ==		== Grenade vs High Explosive ==
			Grenades are generally better.They are more accurate and are lighter than high explosives, and both are quickly outclassed by alien grenades anyway.

	== Proximity Grenade ==		== Proximity Grenade ==
			I only really use these for base defense, although they can be used for breaches. Just remember where you put them. Many a good soldier has been killed by his own proxy grenade.

	== Smoke Grenade ==		== Smoke Grenade ==
			If you know how to use smoke in this game, then you are god in alien killing form. In the event that you can actually use these effectively, they can be life savers but are generally not used by most commanders.

	=Summaries=		=Summaries=

Winterheart at 14:26, 5 May 2013

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	=See Also=		=See Also=
			*[[Weapon Analysis]]

	[[~~Weapon Analysis~~]]		[[Category:Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense]]

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	This is a question that is often asked, and one that is not always that easy to answer due to the varied selection of weapons you can start with. Some are fast but clearly too weak to use against some aliens, while others are powerful but cumbersome to carry. Everyone will have their opinion of what is best and what isn't. This article will attempt to make logical comparisons of the weapons you start with, explain their roles and let you decide which weapon will suit your needs the best.		This is a question that is often asked, and one that is not always that easy to answer due to the varied selection of weapons you can start with. Some are fast but clearly too weak to use against some aliens, while others are powerful but cumbersome to carry. Everyone will have their opinion of what is best and what isn't. This article will attempt to make logical comparisons of the weapons you start with, explain their roles and let you decide which weapon will suit your needs the best.

			Weapons will be discussed with their closest partner such as the pistol vs rifle, heavy cannon vs. auto cannon, grenade vs. high explosive. Merits of the weapons that don't have immediate pairings will be discussed on their own, such as the Rocket Launcher and Stun rod.

	For now, as this article is "under construction", please refer to the [[Talk:Best Starting Weapons (EU) \|original discussion]] on this page's talk page.		For now, as this article is "under construction", please refer to the [[Talk:Best Starting Weapons (EU) \|original discussion]] on this page's talk page.

	==The Weapons==		=The Weapons=

			== Pistol vs Rifle==

			== Heavy Cannon vs Auto-Cannon ==

			== Rocket Launcher ==

			== Stun Rod ==

			== Grenade vs High Explosive ==

			== Proximity Grenade ==

			== Smoke Grenade ==

	==Summaries==		=Summaries=

	==See Also==		=See Also=

	[[Weapon Analysis]]		[[Weapon Analysis]]

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	~~Until recently my view was that the AutoCannon was~~ the best ~~standard-issue starting~~ weapon ~~and I gave it to every soldier strong enough~~ to carry one; everyone else got a Rifle. Having run some numbers, I think this is probably wrong. For early-game scenarios involving mainly Floaters and Sectoids (including their associated terror units), I would now say that:		''"What's the best weapon to start with?"''

	~~# The Pistol~~ is probably better than the Rifle. It has slightly better firepower, plus the advantage of improved Experience gain, the flexibility with grenades or other items in the second hand, more likely to get off a ~~reaction shot, and of course lower cost to own and operate (a minor consideration). The only real downside~~ is ~~less ammo (more frequent reloads, more Transport space). The only thing in the Rifle's favour is the auto mode~~, and that ~~only generates greater firepower in close range situations where accuracy can be ignored. For medium range shots, Snap fire from a Pistol (or Rifle)~~ is ~~far more effective than Auto fire from a Rifle.~~		This is a question that is often asked, and one that is not always that easy to answer due to the varied selection of weapons you can start with. Some are fast but clearly too weak to use against some aliens, while others are powerful but cumbersome to carry. Everyone will have their opinion of what is best and what isn't. This article will attempt to make logical comparisons of the weapons you start with, explain their roles and let you decide which weapon will suit your needs the best.
	~~# The Heavy Cannon is probably better than the Auto Cannon. It has 50% better firepower than the Rifle, Pistol, or AutoCannon. It is cheaper~~ to ~~own and operate than~~ the ~~AutoCannon, and is superior in reaction fire (snap fire) firepower. It has the best first-shot-kill capability. It has much greater terrain-clearing capabilities (both AP and HE). It~~ can ~~even step up to tackling Mutons,~~ with ~~some degree of success~~. ~~The only advantages the Auto Cannon has over it~~ are ~~ammo capacity~~, ~~and the rare use~~ of ~~HE in auto mode when accuracy can be ignored. The downside~~ is ~~the 6-rd ammo limitation,~~ and ~~fewer reaction shot opportunities (though those shots have the best effectiveness, on average)~~.
	~~# In conclusion, I would~~ make ~~the combination~~ of the ~~Pistol and Heavy Cannon the standard starting personal~~ weapons~~. The Pistol favours Experience and flexibility; the Heavy Cannon favours pure all-round firepower.~~
	~~# The AutoCannon would not be standard-issue. It would be retained only for 1-2 soldiers as a special weapon (such as for illuminating~~ with IC, ~~or possibly fighting Reapers or Mutons with HE on auto). Similarly~~ you ~~also need Rocket Launchers as special heavy weapons, grenades/explosives, Stun Rods for captures, etc~~.

	~~''NB'' - I am defining~~ "~~firepower~~" ~~as "average armour-adjusted damage delivered~~ on ~~target per unit of time"~~.		For now, as this article is "under construction", please refer to the [[Talk:Best Starting Weapons (EU) \|original discussion]] on this page's talk page.

	~~[[User:Spike\|Spike]] 19:03, 6 December 2008 (CST)~~		==The Weapons==

	~~:Don't disagree with much here, but if you use the Incendiary Exploit, the Autocannon can more than hold its own. [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 19:58, 6 December 2008 (CST)~~		==Summaries==

	The biggest drawback to the heavy weapons is weight which you pointed out, Spike. Just did a breakdown of the HC and 81% of starting rookies can carry it (without encumberance playing a role) with 1 clip, 52% with 2 clips and 24% with 3 clips. (I don't remember if clip weight is ignored if it is loaded into a weapon, so these percentages are based off the worst-case scenario). As for the Auto-Cannon, 81% can carry it with 1 clip, 57% with 2 clips and 33% with 3 clips. Because the AC can be carried by more soldiers due to it's lower overall clip weight, it should get the nod over the HC in that respect. Then again, if a soldier needs multiple clips for any of these weapons and are too weak to carry the excess, I suppose you could have some of those Pistol-toting freaks be pack mules. --[[User:Zombie\|Zombie]] 04:35, 7 December 2008 (CST)		==See Also==

	:Due to a bug, the first clip loaded by the game (usually AP) during the Equip phase does not count for Encumbrance. So this widens the range of rookies who can carry a (minimally) loaded AC or HC. If you unload/reload the weapon, the clip weight is from then on counted against Encumbrance.		[[Weapon Analysis]]

	:I think you are right that ammo and clip carrying capacity the a key issue. Using AC will allow you to carry 2-3 times as many rounds, and also have more diverse ammo types for each soldier. But the extra 50% firepower is hard to argue with it. I'm going to give it a try and see if the firepower boost compensates for the ammo constraints. I tend to use a 14 man squad and I think the weight constraint will be less of a problem than it would be with a 6 man squad for example. But the best thing to do is test it, so I will test it. [[~~User:Spike\|Spike]] 08:03, 7 December 2008 (CST)~~

	~~::Doesn't the rifle do 4 more points of the same type of damage as the pistol?--[[User:(name here)\|(name here)]] 08:55, 7 December 2008 (CST)~~

	:::Yes, the Rifle does 30 damage and the pistol does 26, both Armor Piercing. But the point being made by Spike is that for the TUs spent, the Pistol (being the fastest snapshot weapon in the game) dishes damage out faster in snap mode, so long as its connecting. The Rifle, on the other hand, has Auto fire, a larger clip, and a very accurate(and slow) Aimed mode.

	~~:::Also, this post is my entry into the 1000 edits club. :) [[User:Arrow Quivershaft\|Arrow Quivershaft]] 11:52, 7 December 2008 (CST)~~


	Have to add something here. The advantage of using explosives to clear terrain, especially in the jungle and farmhouse maps. That's a nice advantage of the Heavy Weapons. ... I just found one more HUGE advantage for Heavy Weapons, early game, when breaching Medium Scouts. Added to that section. But to summarise, let's just say that Heavy Weapons are the ONLY WAY TO CREATE FIRE. There's no other incendiery ammo in the game [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 10:42, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

	~~== Best Sniping Weapon ==~~

	Poor Rifle. I'm going to have to give this to the Rocket Launcher. This skews even further if you can get your Explosive sniper to any location with raised height (just like a real sniper). This includes farmyard stages, hilly terrain, Terror Missions.
	Yes, I realise the RL has real ammo issues, but this is not a problem if you use it like a real sniper... takes a while to move into position, then fires one shot, one kill. If 5 rockets net you 4 kills each mission, you'll do fine.
	~~[[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] 01:30, 7 April 2009 (EDT)~~

	~~== Best Close Quarters~~ Weapon ==

	~~Huh. Should I give this to the AC-AP? Or the rifle? (comparable power, but much much lighter) ...Sometimes I consider giving this title to the Stun Rod.~~
	If you consider rookie lives to be expendable, AC-HE is very interesting, because once you begin an autoshot, you WILL fire all 3 rounds... even if the first round fired is a "suicide shot" that kills himself! [[User:Jasonred\|Jasonred]] ~~01:30, 7 April 2009 (EDT)~~