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Talk:Main Page

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==Removing All Featured Projects from Sidebar==
:We had another request to add an entry to the Featured Projects sidebar (LWOTC) and since we now have a Featured Projects page I've been wondering if it wouldn't be better to remove all the current Featured Projects from the sidebar and put them in that page, for several reasons:
#The wiki has always been focused on the games and not on fan projects.
#There are wiki-relevant sidebar links that keep getting pushed downwards everytime a project is added, like languages or tools.
#With the reboot of the franchise and OpenXCom, a lot of fan projects are in the works.
#While we provide a space for their subwikis if they need, the wiki was never a hub for fan projects and to publicize/monetize them.
#Those projects typically came and use our space but I can't remember any who contributed to the wiki's main pages about the original XCom games, other than placing links to their projects on the original game pages for publicity.
#A couple projects have also left and set up their own wikis, without ever bothering to at least delete their content once they stopped updating it, since they decided they didn't want to be here anymore when they didn't get the publicity they wanted.
#UFO2000 & UFO:AI have zero or limited development for years - they're dead or almost.
#OpenXCom and OpenApoc already have links for their subwikis on the UFO and Apocalypse tables.
#Having Long War and Long War 2 then leads to other large projects like Long War Reworked and Long War of the Chosen also wanting the same attention/publicity. All of those could have also links for them on the Enemy Unknown and XCOM2 tables.
#And the Featured Projects page could be reworked so that they are properly grouped together according to their specific game that they originate from and it could also include a short description about their scope and objectives.
Ideas/Comments? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 06:07, 4 January 2022 (CET)

==Featured Projects on Sidebar==
I was requested on Discord by user [[Ucross]] to add to the Featured Projects section of the sidebar the mod that he is working on called Long War Rebalance, which is a mod of Long War, and thus a mod of XCOM: Enemy Unknown, and I refused the request for the same reasons I already presented below regarding the Piratez mod for OpenXCom.
It's arguable for the same reason that Long War shouldn't on that list for the same reason, it being a mod, but since Firaxis gave the official recognition to both Long Wars, and even gave support to Long War 2, that's the difference I see between Long War and all the other mods made for all XCom games, and thus worthy of recognition as significant contributions by and for the community. The same reason behind UFO2000, OpenXCom, OpenApoc and UFO:AI, they are all entire new XCom games built by teams of fans, and the first three are playable, and you can create mods for them. OpenXCom and OpenApoc are in active development.
As for personal projects to be present on that section, I can think of a ton of projects related to XCom that would deserve to be there, and that would make that list endless an unpractical. And at the end, the objective of this wiki is to inform about the games. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

: It still would be nice for players to be able to find all of the mods/projects that this wiki hosts. What about something like: "Other Projects" where it's a page that lists all other projects occurring for other games? Just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore me. =D [[User:Ucross|Ucross]] ([[User talk:Ucross|talk]]) 16:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

:: I am rather partial to this solution myself. The wiki does need to keep its main focus tight as far as its main content is concerned. But nothing says we cannot have a page that acknowledges and point to other projects of interest. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 04:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

==Server Move==
In the near future we're going to move to a new server (hosted by NineX) because of the constant site outages and other technical/security issues that have been affecting the wiki since the last year. NineX currently hosts the OpenXCom forums and site, so I feel that it will be a good move since the OpenXCom community has been the most active in keeping the old XCom games alive.

However we're still not sure if we're gonna be able to keep the old domain (www.ufopaedia.org) or if it will be necessary to move to a new one, and ask everybody to update their links. We're trying to keep the old domain, but right now the choice is to be between keeping things as they currently are, or get the technical/security issues fixed and get back the wiki properly working, even if that means losing the domain and the traffic.

I personally prefer the 2nd option since we need a wiki that is 100% available for both consulting and editing information, like it did in the past. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 14:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
==Temporary Domain==
We completed the server move thanks to NineX, who also upgraded the wiki's software. The process required that we moved temporarily to a new domain, ufopaedia.info, but we'll return to our old domain, ufopaedia.org, as soon as the process is complete. Thanks for your patience :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:40, 28 January 2018 (CET)

Migration finished. ufopaedia.info is redirecting to ufopaedia.org.
Mediawiki software have been upgraded to latest version , and whole site audited. [[User:NineX|NineX]] ([[User talk:NineX|talk]]), 13:27, 31 January 2018 (CET)

==Piratez in featured projects?==
It seems out of place that piratez has it's own table on the UFOpedia, and uses (Piratez) to distinguish its own pages, but is not listed on the featured projects. Going to add it if nobody objects. The rationale for adding Long War in this talk pages history (Huge makeover of the original version) pretty much goes doubly so for piratez. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 21:57, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
:Only admins can edit Featured Projects. And I object to it.
:I proposed to add Long War because it was the only major mod available to EU/EW, and even got recognition and compliments made by Firaxis (with Jake Solomon joking that he was the guy that designed LW's beta), which was then extended to hiring the LW team to make official XCOM 2 mods for the game's release. So LW is really something special that deserved to get its own recognition.
:Piratez is just one of several total conversions available for OpenXCom, and the intent is not to list all mod projects on Featured Projects, Because then X-Files, Hardmode or Area 51 would also qualify, being also expansions on their own right, although without Piratez's popularity.
:Not to mention that there are other current XCom games like XCOM 2 that have also their own mods. So, if Piratez is added, what happens if someone else from another XCOM game, or current projects being developed like OpenApoc, decides to ask for his major mod to be added?
:The primary intent of this wiki is the XCOM games, and Featured Projects is a way to recognize the hard work and dedication of a few fan projects, OpenXCom being one of them - and if you add Piratez then you're basically saying that Piratez is at the same level as OpenXCom, when Piratez wouldn't exist if there wasn't OpenXCom to begin with.
:Finally, pages with their own suffix (Whatever) don't necessarily translate into Featured Projects, check the existing Interceptor and the Enforcer pages, it's more of a matter of internal page categorization. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:23, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
::: Ah okay, but I'm not really convinced, this feels like a matter of scale. I'm not trying to get it added as a featured project because I'm a fan, it just doesn't seem right to not have it there regardless of those reasons. If you look at something like UFO:AI or OpenApoc, on the main featured bar, they're almost completed unupdated and tiny. If the idea is that Piratez should have it's place on this wiki, and not on it's own wiki, then it really should have a place on the main page. If it's not, why is it even on here with hundreds and hundreds of pages? I type in just about any search for x-com related things and see a bunch of piratez pages in the autocomplete. If X-Files, Hardmode, Area 51 had hundreds of pages on the wiki, I'd recommend adding them as well, though they don't. Anyways, just my thoughts, I won't push this anymore. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:53, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan explains the argument more. It The piratez main page is a huge presence on the wiki, and is essentially unaccessable on the wiki. Which is just not what wikis are about. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:59, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::: There are a lot of interesting points in your reply, that I'll try to answer separately to those, since some I have already considered myself.
:::: UFO2000 and UFO:AI are dead projects, UFO2000 had its glory days more than 10 years ago (I was heavily involved with it) and it is playable (although hardly anyone plays it) and UFO:AI was never finished, so there's really an argument there whether both should still be on Featured Projects. OpenApoc on the other hand is actively being developed right now, they have their own Discord channel and it might take a while, but the general feeling is that one day it will reach 1.0 status, like OpenXCom did.
:::: Piratez section on its wiki grew up by itself out of the OpenXCom until now, Dioxine or anyone ever asked permission, that I recall, but since we got the space and it is XCom related, no one objected, and the community is pretty supportive of each other's projects.
:::: If by Auto-Complete you mean Google's search bar then the reason why you get so much Piratez results associated with XCom is because it uses your past search history and page views. I don't get any Piratez results when I search for XCom things because I don't play Piratez (and I don't play LW or LW2 also, but I suggested that they should be added because of their importance).
:::: And this brings me to another important point, which is that Piratez includes content that some people don't really think belongs in an XCom game, namely it being about space pirates, slaves and mutants against aliens, and with the nudity involved. I know it takes place in an alternate universe where XCom lost the war, but if Firaxis announced that XCOM 3 followed Piratez setting, there would be a huge fan backlash because XCom has almost always been about an international, semi-clandestine organization of humans fighting aliens, and never required nudity to be atractive. Piratez setting and aesthetics appeal to a lot of people but to a lot of others it doesn't, even inside the OpenXCom community.
:::: And for instance, I'm the lead developer of Area 51 that was mentioned before, and while it expands the base UFO: Defense game like EW or LW did, if not more, I do not think it should be on Featured Projects because of all the reasons I mentioned before. As a developer I'd love it to be more publicized, but here I need to think first as a wiki administrator, and like I said before, this is an XCOM wiki since it was created 15 years ago, not an OpenXCom one. If this was a wiki dedicated to OXC, then Piratez, Area 51, Tech-Comm (another total conversion I'm working based on the Terminator universe), Warhammer 40k, Dune, and all other major projects, XCom based or not, would belong here, but it isn't.
:::: Finally, we're not talking here about a single orphan article. Orphan articles mean that they can only be accessed by searching the wiki since there aren't any links to them anywhere. Piratez can be accessed through here https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Mods_(OpenXcom). The issue really is that you think Piratez should be more advertised on the wiki by adding it to Featured Projects, but as I said before, it is questionable whether it deserves to get that sort of attention on an XCOM wiki. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 05:37, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Heh, well in any case, looks like someone else added it to featured projects about a year ago: it's just on the featured projects at the very bottom of the page, along with all the other featured projects but with piratez squeezed in haha. Somewhat tangential but a bit on topic: Maybe the front page should just have a section at the top listing all the relevant games on the wiki? I remember like a decade ago when it was just the 1994 version/TFT and Apoc and the main page was very organized and clear, but it's really not now what with the tables of nearly every game on the wiki on the main page and some random lists in random places. Case in point: Piratez is already considered a featured mod by someone and neither of us noticed until this point, nor did I know even enforcer or these other spinoffs existed that you mentioned earlier existed or were on the wiki at all. In any case, glad to have talked this out. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 11:21, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Bluh, one last point, I promise. I think maybe your having made/worked on a huge mod might be influencing your decision: you make it sound like it'd be a bad thing if all OpenXcom mods were featured and I don't think this would even be bad at all. E.g. a lot of games wikis list basically all the relevant large mods for the game in a very visible place. Example: https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page has a link to a list of pretty much every major mod visible up front without needing to scroll down. To me it just seemed odd specifically for piratez here since it also had a huge space on the wiki, but I don't see an issue with Area 51, Warhammer 40k, etc having a visible place.

== XCOM 2 section problems ==

Hi guys,

I've noticed that there's loads of problems in the XCOM 2 sections - misspellings, orphan pages, a lack of organisation, and so on. Even the term "MEC" was spelt wrong in a page title. I've been tackling a few of these issues, but I'm just thinking that this isn't worth having because Fandom have their own wiki at [https://xcom.fandom.com/wiki/XCOM_Wiki] and they've got nearly everything down already.

What are we trying to do here - dedicate this wiki to the old X-COM and a few mods (ahem, Long War), or adding in Firaxis's new XCOM grouping?

Just a question in editorial direction.

--[[User:SpeedofDeath118|SpeedofDeath118]] ([[User talk:SpeedofDeath118|talk]]) 17:08, 16 December 2019 (CET)
:I think the question is more, what are you interested in doing? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:11, 16 December 2019 (CET)

::The Wiki was set up long before the reboot series, so you could say the classics were its original focus. However it would have been remiss to not accommodate the new games as they appeared. However the wiki thrives or declines entirely on the input of the people that make use of it. If the interest and willingness is there, the sections will grow. If not (looks at the early spinoff titles), then perhaps not so much. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 07:31, 17 December 2019 (CET)

== Enable dark mode theme? ==

Would it be possible to add a dark mode option to this wiki? Something like these:
https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Converting_to_hydradark
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless/DarkCSS
: Hi and thanks for asking but after consultation with NineX, we don't have the resources (someone experienced with Mediawiki) to keep the UFOpaedia.org updated to the latest Mediawiki releases. Otherwise, the odds are that things will start breaking with UFOpaedia.org if we change the custom skin, which has happened to other wikis. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:32, 25 October 2021 (CEST)

I see a "Skin" option when I navigate to Preferences > Appearance (https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering ), but no options other than the default appear.
-[[User:JimmAYY2|JimmAYY2]] ([[User talk:JimmAYY2|talk]]) 19:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

== New and old images not showing? ==

When adding images to new pages that I've been editing I've noticed some images will never be displayed properly, this includes new images I've uploaded and old images from years ago that I've simply linked in a new page

On this page:https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Lab_Ship
You can see that while the 'side view' image loads in correctly, however the terrain map images fail to load properly, spouting errors. These are all new images.

Conversely on this page: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Battlescape_Strategy_(Hardmode)#Disembarkation_Strategy
While most of those images are also new, the third image is the very old 'motion scanner' image from the vanilla wiki that has been around for a decade, it is also failing to load.

I've no idea why some images will work and other's won't. I have also tried to do the edits and upload new images from entirly different devices and computers but to no avail.

Just reporting the issue. Cheers [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 17:52, 3 June 2022 (CEST)
:I just tried to see the image being hosted of the LabShip that wasn't displaying on the gallery and it didn't also load, with the similar error message. Since all the majority of the .pngs you upload seem to be correctly appearing, I'd advise to recheck those .png files. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 03:38, 5 June 2022 (CEST)

:I've tried taking a new image on a different machine and have re-uploaded it to no avail, I've even taken a new image and converted it to a different file format but it still produces an error output. I've even uploaded the images to different websites to see if there's a problem with the files but the other websites display the image with no issues.
:If we check some of the older pages I made, using the same program to get the UFO images, the images uploaded just fine as evidenced here: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Sentry_Ship
:I'm just not sure of the issue or if its even one on my end due to how random the issue is. If it was just affecting images I am screenshoting from 'MapViewer' then I'd say that's it but its also cropping errors for a wide range of images from different sources. [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 12:11, 5 June 2022 (CEST)
::I think I might have encountered this bug years ago but I think it got eventually for the images to appear. Try using .jpg instead? Otherwise, I'm afraid I don't have a clue of how to solve it. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 17:33, 9 June 2022 (CEST)
:Have you guys found any solution to this ? [[User:Horace vr|Horace vr]] ([[User talk:Horace vr|talk]]) 11:57, 5 February 2023 (CET)

== Thumbnails issue ==

[[User:Horace vr|Horace vr]] ([[User talk:Horace vr|talk]]) 12:41, 4 February 2023 (CET)

I am seeing issues with thumbnail creation, for both old and new pictures

For example here:
https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Research_required_(LWR)
If you try to thumb the picture (by adding a pic size), you will get an error;

This happens with existing pictures (I tried to restore the original pic) and to new pics (Event research2.jpg is a pic I uploaded a few days ago)

This could be related to the issue reported earlier by Steelpoint: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#New_and_old_images_not_showing.3F

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Horace vr: Created page with "~~~~ Just creating the page :)"

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Just creating the page :)

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==Nav Boxes==
How do you make them? I was thinking of setting up some for Enemy Unknown (2012), namely one for base buildings/addons, one for all equipment (backpack equipment, weapons and armor), one for Aliens, one for Classes, etc. etc. [[User:Leman Russ|Leman Russ]] 18:16, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
: Easiest way is to use an already existing template to create a new one, such as [[Template:Organizations_Navbar]], which gives you this:

<table width="75%" {{stdTable}} cellpadding="3" border="1">
<tr {{stdTable Sub_Heading}}><td colspan ="2">{{Apoc Icon}} <b>[[Apoc_Table|X-COM: Apocalypse]]:</b> [[Organizations]]</td></tr>
<tr><td width="80"><b>The Good:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_govt.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr>
<tr><td><b>The Bad:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_sirius.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td></tr>
<tr><td><b>The Ugly:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_cyberweb.png]] [[Cyberweb]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_energen.png]] [[Energen]] [[Image:Apoc_evonet.png]] [[Evonet]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians.png]] [[Extropians]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_gm.png]] [[General Metro]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_lifetree.png]] [[Lifetree]] [[Image:Apoc_marsec.png]] [[Marsec]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_mutant.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]] [[Image:Apoc_nanotech.png]] [[Nanotech]] [[Image:Apoc_nutrivend.png]] [[Nutrivend]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron.png]] [[Osiron]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke.png]] [[Psyke]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_self.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]] [[Image:Apoc_sanctuary.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_solmine.png]] [[Solmine]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_sd.png]] [[Superdynamics]] [[Image:Apoc_synthemesh.png]] [[Synthemesh]] [[Image:Apoc_technocr.png]] [[Technocrats]] [[Image:Apoc_ts.png]] [[Transtellar]]</td></tr>
</table>

Or, if you click to edit the code:

<nowiki><table width="75%" {{stdTable}} cellpadding="3" border="1"></nowiki>

<nowiki><tr {{stdTable Sub_Heading}}><td colspan ="2">{{Apoc Icon}} <b>[[Apoc_Table|X-COM: Apocalypse]]:</b> [[Organizations]]</td></tr></nowiki>

<nowiki><tr><td width="80"><b>The Good:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_xcom.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_govt.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol.png]] [[Megapol]]</td></tr></nowiki>

<nowiki><tr><td><b>The Bad:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_aliens.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_sirius.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]</td></tr></nowiki>

<nowiki><tr><td><b>The Ugly:</b></td><td>[[Image:Apoc_cyberweb.png]] [[Cyberweb]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_energen.png]] [[Energen]] [[Image:Apoc_evonet.png]] [[Evonet]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians.png]] [[Extropians]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_gm.png]] [[General Metro]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_lifetree.png]] [[Lifetree]] [[Image:Apoc_marsec.png]] [[Marsec]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_mutant.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]] [[Image:Apoc_nanotech.png]] [[Nanotech]] [[Image:Apoc_nutrivend.png]] [[Nutrivend]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron.png]] [[Osiron]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke.png]] [[Psyke]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_self.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]] [[Image:Apoc_sanctuary.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_solmine.png]] [[Solmine]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_sd.png]] [[Superdynamics]] [[Image:Apoc_synthemesh.png]] [[Synthemesh]] [[Image:Apoc_technocr.png]] [[Technocrats]] [[Image:Apoc_ts.png]] [[Transtellar]]</td></tr></nowiki>

<nowiki></table>
</nowiki>
To create the template, just write the link for it, for instance [[Template: Aliens (EU2012)]], click and start editing. Just edit/replace/add what you want. After you've done a template, you'll have to add it to all the relevant pages by adding at the bottom the following code:
<nowiki>{{Aliens (EU2012)}}</nowiki> [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:58, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
::Got a number of them out. How do they look? Only one that I can think of that still needs doing is one for classes. [[User:Leman Russ|Leman Russ]] 13:16, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

::: Looking good, but only two comments. It might be a good idea to have added a Navbar suffix on the end of the template names. The other is perhaps to use wiki table markup for the outer/main boxes. [[User:NKF|NKF]] 16:37, 26 April 2013 (EDT)
:::: NKF, could you please post here an example of wiki table markup? I'm not sure exactly myself of the difference. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 21:02, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

:::::Sure. I'll use wiki table markup to replicate the example navbar above. Check the source.

{| width="75%" {{stdTable}} cellpadding="3" border="1"
|- {{stdTable Sub_Heading}}
| colspan ="2" | {{Apoc Icon}} '''[[Apoc_Table|X-COM: Apocalypse]]:''' [[Organizations]]
|-
| width="80"| '''The Good:'''
| [[Image:Apoc_xcom.png]] [[X-COM (Apocalypse)|X-COM]] [[Image:Apoc_govt.png]] [[Government]] [[Image:Apoc_megapol.png]] [[Megapol]]
|-
| '''The Bad:'''
| [[Image:Apoc_aliens.png]] [[Aliens (Apocalypse)|Alien]] [[Image:Apoc_sirius.png]] [[Cult of Sirius]]
|-
| '''The Ugly:'''
| [[Image:Apoc_cyberweb.png]] [[Cyberweb]] [[Image:Apoc_diablo.png]] [[Diablo]] [[Image:Apoc_energen.png]] [[Energen]] [[Image:Apoc_evonet.png]] [[Evonet]] [[Image:Apoc_extropians.png]] [[Extropians]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_gm.png]] [[General Metro]] [[Image:Apoc_gravball.png]] [[Grav Ball League]] [[Image:Apoc_lifetree.png]] [[Lifetree]] [[Image:Apoc_marsec.png]] [[Marsec]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_mutant.png]] [[Mutant Alliance]] [[Image:Apoc_nanotech.png]] [[Nanotech]] [[Image:Apoc_nutrivend.png]] [[Nutrivend]] [[Image:Apoc_osiron.png]] [[Osiron]] [[Image:Apoc_psyke.png]] [[Psyke]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_self.png]] [[S.E.L.F.]] [[Image:Apoc_sanctuary.png]] [[Sanctuary Clinic]] [[Image:Apoc_sensovision.png]] [[Sensovision]] [[Image:Apoc_solmine.png]] [[Solmine]]<br>[[Image:Apoc_sd.png]] [[Superdynamics]] [[Image:Apoc_synthemesh.png]] [[Synthemesh]] [[Image:Apoc_technocr.png]] [[Technocrats]] [[Image:Apoc_ts.png]] [[Transtellar]]
|}

:::::It's the same result, but has the advantage of being tidier to maintain. For nested tables, you can throw HTML tables inside and not make it one big block of greater/less-than symbols and slashes. ;) [[User:NKF|NKF]] 21:34, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

::: I'd quite like to see one done for the [[Maps (EU2012)|maps]], though it may require a reduced font size in order to fit everything in without massive page bloat. - <span style="font-size:xx-small"> [[User:Bomb_Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] ([[User_talk:Bomb_Bloke|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bomb_Bloke|Contribs]])</span> 18:17, 26 April 2013 (EDT)
:::: Might be better to use only the loading screen images on the Navbar. I'll look into it later [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 06:12, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
:::: How about something like this?

{{Template:Maps Navbar (EU2012)}}

[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 20:20, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

: The layout and appearance looks perfect to me, but I don't like the use of style templates within the table - guess what THEY conflict with?

: Starting a cell with a ! instead of a | is enough to tell the wiki it's to be a header cell, there's no need to use a template for that. I've hence modified the above table to do away with templates as an example.

: If adding it to the map pages as a template, could I also ask for a <nowiki>{{EU2012_Style}}</nowiki> tag to go in as well? Doesn't actually exist as yet, but the plan is to save a little time later when it does. Er, in to the map pages, not the table template, that is to say.

: - <span style="font-size:xx-small"> [[User:Bomb_Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] ([[User_talk:Bomb_Bloke|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bomb_Bloke|Contribs]])</span> 22:12, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
:: Just made a few more and edits and I've moved it into [[Template: Maps Navbar (EU2012)]]. I'll add it later, along with the <nowiki>{{EU2012_Style}}</nowiki> tag, meanwhile I want to redo the maps pages. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 04:39, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
::: And just added both the Navbar and the Style tag to all the map pages. I still want to redesign the map page format but that's for later. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 16:22, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

::::In regards to the image layout on those pages, you may or may not find the code used in [[UP001.SPK-UP042.SPK|this article]] useful. - <span style="font-size:xx-small"> [[User:Bomb_Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] ([[User_talk:Bomb_Bloke|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bomb_Bloke|Contribs]])</span> 02:54, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

== Spamming Accounts ==

Since we think that all of these accounts are one person, surely we should try to block his/her IP Address which would stop him/her from creating new accounts; or do we not have the add-on installed on the wiki to block IPs? --[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 02:59, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
:Well, it was possible to block IPs until it was decided that only registered users could edit the wiki to prevent massive spamming. I have no idea about that add-on. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 05:32, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

== Undo? ==

I ''haven't''. --[[User:Xuncu|Xuncu]] 15:28, 18 November 2013 (EST)
:I think he was talking about these ([http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=XCOM:_Enemy_Within_DLC_(EU2012)&diff=prev&oldid=52480] [http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=XCOM:_Enemy_Within_DLC_(EU2012)&diff=next&oldid=52480]) and ([http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=XCOM:_Enemy_Within_DLC_(EU2012)&diff=prev&oldid=52276] [http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=XCOM%3A_Enemy_Within_DLC_%28EU2012%29&action=historysubmit&diff=52278&oldid=52277])
::Only thing I can think of was that I opened to edit, someone else opened to edit, they wrote something quick, saved, while I was taking my time to test and check, then saved with the origional text. --[[User:Xuncu|Xuncu]] 00:49, 19 November 2013 (EST)
:::That's possible as well but you get a warning that someone has edited and saved a new version of the page while you're editing. To try to avoid this situation it's better to edit the EW main page by subsections if you're only adding a couple lines of text. But since we're now using page templates rather than having all info in the main page it should be easier to avoid conflicting versions. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 06:51, 19 November 2013 (EST)

== New template / standardized words / main testing page ==

Hey Hobbes, since you're very active admin and user, I was wondering if a template akin to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed citation needed] to add to information that needs verification would be useful or if talk pages are appropriate at this point.

Also, I was thinking of a page to showcase for editors to utilize when combing over pages for readability/uniformity. For instance, is Squad Sight Sniper or Squadsight Sniper better; the ability is called Squad Sight though. Or during movement, are they cells or tiles or squares? So as contributors add information, editors can go back and clean up pages with "minor edit" for readability.

Lastly, it would be useful for me personally if there was a single page to consolidate testing/verifying with others instead of marking my page or trying to remember all the different talk pages. :P--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 13:47, 13 December 2013 (EST)
:I've been wondering myself if we should make a [[Guidelines_to_writing_articles]] page solely for EU2012 due to all these questions you've just posed. I'm following a certain logic when editing pages to keep a consistent style and if contributors tried to keep that in mind it would surely help with the work.
* Use the ingame terms on the pages to keep consistency: not Squadsight but Squad Sight; XCOM but not X-COM
* Capitalize when you're using the exact term
* For emphasis, i.e. you're mentioning specific abilites on a page that is about abilities, use bold for the ingame terms.
* Use italics for transcriptions of ingame text, if they are not in identifiable boxes (like the pages dealing with research topics).
* Don't write as if you're in a chat room: 'crits', 'dmg' and other abbreviations should not be used.
* DO NOT WRITE phrases or words on full caps just for emphasis.

Just some ideas to start. Maybe it would be nice to have a template informing people to check the Talk page if some info is disputed. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 14:03, 13 December 2013 (EST)
:Hi, Hobbes! Have some question: can I create new templates for Russian section with (R) suffix? For example, [[Template:Ref Close (R)]]. The point is that words like "Источник" is more familiar than "Source" in Russian articles. --[[User:HansOlo|HansOlo]] ([[User talk:HansOlo|talk]]) 12:38, 20 June 2014 (EDT)
:: Of course! [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 13:14, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

== [[Bugs (EU2012)#Kinetic Strike Module and Flamethrower Upgrades|Kinetic Strike Module and Flamethrower Bug]] ==

Do you know if it affects the Flamethrower (and if so what the eventually damage is. Does it round the 4.5 down or up?). Also do you know whether the bug resets for the game after being upgraded to the bugged value in the previous. I think it does but I can't remember.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 14:49, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
: I don't remember about the Flamethrower. All rounding of numbers is usually down in EU2012. The bug continues to upgrade the weapon until you play a game without getting the upgrade, IIRC, after which the next game the values are reset to normal ones. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 19:43, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
:: OK, just had a little more time to check this. The flamethrower should be upgraded to 13 (9 + 4.5, rounded down). I never actually confirmed this personally with the Flamethrower. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:54, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

== Well, that was rather rude ==

http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Mods_%28EU2012%29&action=history Connor's edit 'comment'
:There are two issues here. First I agree with you that the comment wasn't a nice one. However, I also might take it in a more light manner since the stuff that he removed (XCOM/My Little Pony crossover) gets me scratching my head whether to laugh at it or to take it seriously. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 00:54, 15 September 2014 (EDT)

== Code of Infiltration ==

I put some of the code for the infiltration routine on my [[User:Morgan525#Other_information | user page]]. I remove a lot of code so that the important stuff is easier to follow. The code only goes up to the UK as that is where the logic is easiest to follow. If something is not clear, let me know. [[User:Morgan525|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525|talk]]) 20:43, 5 December 2014 (EST)
:Thanks a lot and yes, I can see how it works, the logic behind it is actually simpler than I was imagining it. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:28, 5 December 2014 (EST)
Glad to help![[User:Morgan525|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525|talk]]) 23:49, 5 December 2014 (EST)
:Something else I'm wondering if you could help. I was mentioning before that I wanted to update the page about [[Alien Missions]] with details about how the missions are generated, based on the info present in OpenXcom. But from our exchange I started realizing that the logic followed by OpenXcom might not be the same of the original game, even though the results are. So, I wrote a page about [[Alien Missions in Enemy Unknown (OpenXcom)]] but describing the process from the OpenXcom's code perspective. But since you're familiar with the original game's code I'm wondering if you could adapt its contents to the original game's code and update the Alien Missions page since you're way more qualified than me. Just an idea. :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 00:03, 6 December 2014 (EST)
:Something I don't quite understand is what you mean by missions. In your various postings about alien missions in openxcom, you talk about the different trajectories and how a UFO uses them. Missions and trajectories are different things. The way missions are selected and completed has nothing to do with their flight patterns. Is this what your wanting to discuss, not how missions are selected or how they are completed? - [[User:Morgan525|Tycho]] ([[User talk:Morgan525|talk]]) 19:41, 29 December 2014 (EST)
::I'm interested in describing the whole process behind alien missions in the original game: how the mission is selected, how the UFOs are assigned to it and how their flight patterns are determined and finally what happens (score) when the mission is completed. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:21, 29 December 2014 (EST)

== Variables ==

Hi!
Recently I joined article writers and created several pages. Almost immediately, I faced with the duplicated information problem. Sometimes page should contain the same string twice and it is really pain in ass to update such strings. Maybe I am blinded but currently there is no way to use variables. So, is it possible to install pretty extension called “Variables”? Here is the link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Variables [[User:El.|El.]] ([[User talk:El.|talk]]) 12:00, 5 July 2015 (EST)
:Hey there. I noticed the insane amount of templates that you guys were creating for Long War and I wondered how necessary they were. I can ask Pete (site owner) about the Variable extensions, I have never used them myself though. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
::I personally have created pages and templates only for russian language from scratch. So yes, I realy need them :). It would be cool if Pete did the favour for guys who need variables. --[[User:El.|El.]] ([[User talk:El.|talk]]) 02:50, 7 July 2015 (EDT)
:::Just to let you know that I've emailed Pete about the Variables, now I'm waiting for an answer. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 19:40, 8 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spam flood ==

Shit's fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked! --[[User:Xuncu|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu|talk]]) 23:08, 9 February 2016 (EST)

== Working as intended ==

Just FYI the bot was working as intended. More info on my talk page. Now I just need to figure-out why the tables are breaking in such a weird way. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 18:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Tvol-bot ==

Do you think you could flag [[User:Tvol-bot]] as a bot? I'm doing a lot of batch processing on the wiki with it. And I'm sure other people might appreciate not seeing the wall of edits in the recent changes (or at least I certainly would :P ). --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 01:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:I have no idea if that's even possible to do on this wiki... do you know how to do it?[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 01:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::Should be somewhere [[Special:UserRights|in here]]. Otherwise poke around [[Special:AdminLinks]]. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 01:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:::OK, I'm not authorized to make edits on the [[Special:UserRights]] and I can't find anything about bots on [[Special:AdminLinks]], so that's above my pay grade. Just go ahead with the bot for the mass edits - there might be some complaints but the amount of edits is natural since we're creating a whole new section and people should understand that, without edit things don't get done in a wiki :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 16:51, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Seems like I have access to that section, so have given Tvol-bot bot status. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 22:04, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

== Image Strangeness ==

Do you have any idea what is going on here? [[:File:UIPerk_aceinthehole.png]] [[File:UIPerk_aceinthehole.png]] The current revision is stuck as the original. But you can see from my upload attempts that the ''new'' images ''were'' successfully uploaded. The catch is that each time I would upload one, I would see the most recent version as the original. Which...makes no god damn sense. O.o Maybe the server needs a restart. Or a massive kick in the pants, either or. I'm fine with both. (Edit: I would try a mass delete and re-upload, which would almost guarantee this would be fixed but I don't have the perms.) --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 20:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
: Right now it's working properly it seems. I have no idea what was going on. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 00:40, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:: Thinking about this, it's likely you were seeing the local copy in your browser's cache rather than the latest copy on the server. The next time this happens, try doing a full refresh of the page with a shift-reload to re-download the content from the server and see if that sorts the problem. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 05:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Fraid not. That's the first thing I tried. I tried a full page refresh, purging my entire browser cache, and then on a whim I tried doing all that on Safari (on 2 computers), Edge (on one), Firefox (on all three), and Brave (again on all three). It's definitely not a caching issue on my end. For some reason the wiki is slow in updating the pointer to where the current revision is stored when it gets called on a page. The good news is that it eventually does do it, it just takes a while (half hour to an hour). --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 07:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

== User CSS ==

Would it be possible to enable user CSS ( <code><nowiki>$wgAllowUserCss</nowiki></code> )? I'm trying to test-out CSS to make {{Tl|Ability (LW2)}} better. What I want to do is have that extra info icon invert its color (like the game does; I'll make a custom image for that later), and set a div underneath the ability to appear (which would hold the ability's extended info text, so it appears under it only when rolled-over). With access to user CSS I can test this, and later add it to the Common.css file (well I couldn't, but someone else with admin rights could). Otherwise there's no good way of going about it.

Alternately I can add CSS to each ability template ''in theory'', but in practice every time I try to add any CSS in the <code><nowiki><css></css></nowiki></code> tags the server hurks and doesn't show me the preview page. It also might add an issue with server and browser load. The wiki would probably do well [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS to be using this extension] instead anyway. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 04:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'll ask Jo5hua (current site admin) about it since I dont' have any skills related to this issue :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 18:00, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
::Much appreciated. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 20:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
: Hey Hobbes, while you're at it, do you think you could propose installing [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS the MediaWiki CSS extension]? It allows for inclusion of complete style sheets ''and'' inline css, which could prove useful for pages where specific css is repeated. If need be (e.g. if it conflicts with the NewCSS extension) I can easily go over the wiki and convert any markup that uses the <code><nowiki><css></css></nowiki></code> tags (though as far as I can tell, NewCSS is broken, since I can't successfully add any CSS to a page with it and have the preview come back). (Edit: And take a look at [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhiteSpace WhiteSpace] too if possible. Sorry for asking for so much, but both would eliminate some major headaches for me.) --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 07:55, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Any word on this? If it's easier, there's [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/161747/how-to-allow-mediawiki-logged-user-to-edit-common-css#295808 a slightly more straightforward solution.] Assuming you guys are okay with creating another group and handing me those permissions to edit the site's CSS (I promise to test thoroughly first; that's the primary reason I'm asking for user CSS to be enabled).

To summarize what I've asked for (in order of importance) for the sake of anyone reading:
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss Ability to use own user-specific CSS.] Editing one's own CSS (e.g. [[Special:MyPage/vector.css]] ) isn't the issue. It being active needs to be enabled by the server admin. (see: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgGroupPermissions $wgGroupPermissions] and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style User style])
* [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/161747/how-to-allow-mediawiki-logged-user-to-edit-common-css Permissions to edit site CSS.]
* Depreciate [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewPageCSS Extension:NewPageCSS] and install [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS Extension:CSS]. This is for several reasons.
: 1. Extension:NewPageCSS tags don't work. If added to a page with valid CSS in them, the server will not respond when the edit is submitted (not even a response error code; it just dies). (Edit: Well this ''was'' what was happening to me. They seem to be working now. Not idea why. In any case there are only three pages that use the extension right now, and Extension:CSS provides both transclusion of entire style sheets as well as parsing CSS inline.)
: 2. Extension:CSS was updated more recently.
: 3. Extension:CSS allows inclusion of other style sheets onto a page, which reduces potential repetition for any specialized CSS (it will also almost certainly be more efficient than transcluding a style sheet into the tags from Extension:NewPageCSS and then having it parse it every page load).
* Install [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhiteSpace Extension:WhiteSpace]. This is for my own sanity, but especially for the sanity of anyone looking at template code in the future. Consider the current [http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Ability_(LW2)&action=edit source code] of {{tl|Ability (LW2)}}. This will only get ''more'' complicated if/when I add interactivity via CSS.

If you aren't convinced this is a good idea, I've made [https://jsfiddle.net/Tvol/bxjqzah3/ a fiddle] (and [https://jsfiddle.net/Tvol/w9djepcv/ another based on Mavoc's suggestions]) of what the Ability template ''could'' look like. There are piles of other changes I would like to make, primarily to reduce duplication of effort. For example, without any default table styles other than .wikitable, changing the colours used requires an ungodly number of style tags. This makes maintenance of these templates much more difficult, and practically speaking, requires editors to be familiar with regexes and have Pywikibot installed to make any general changes to similar elements across the wiki. (It is, in short, a very bad way of doing things. It's a massive time-sink when building new templates as well because of the inevitable mistakes and bugs that crop-up from constantly repeating the same code.) --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 05:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not skilled to decide if this is a good idea from the technical side of the wiki, I'm just forwarding your request to the appropriate person :) I got word back from Jo5hua, he thinks that there might be security issues with allowing what you're suggesting. Could you clarify this issue better? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 15:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
::OK, it's better if you just talk to Jo5hua directly on Skype. His Skype address is joshua.dominguez [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 16:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Okie dokie; I've added him as a contact on Skype. --[[User:Tvol|Tvol]] ([[User talk:Tvol|talk]]) 03:38, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

== ADVENT Warden ==

Hey,

I don't think it's called an ADVENT Warden, but I have definitely seen that unit without having ABA installed. It probably has a different name, and it appeared during a mission to liberate a region, providing bonuses like Fire Discipline to allies.
:That unit is the Advent General (and there are two versions of it on LW2, one red and the other black) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 15:03, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== Long War of the Chosen ==

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but [[Long_War_of_the_Chosen|Long War of the Chosen]] recently released its 1.0 version, complete with an official [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2683996590 Steam Workshop release]. I was wondering if now would be a good time to add LWOTC to the list of Featured Projects on Ufopaedia's sidebar, since it seems LWOTC is what most people will be playing from now on if they wish to experience the most up-to-date version of Long War for XCOM 2.

Just a disclaimer: I am not an official representative of the LWOTC team, but I've been actively involved with the discord community for over a year and currently am one of the few active editors for the LWOTC part of Ufopaedia. [[User:Meatninja|Meatninja]] ([[User talk:Meatninja|talk]]) 22:33, 26 December 2021 (CET)
:There are two issues regarding your suggestion:
::1) How much of a difference there is between LWOTC and LW2? You're porting War of the Chosen to LW2, and the question is if it wouldn't make more sense to add a LWOTC section to LW2, otherwise you'll be replicating naerly all of the existing info of LW2?
::2) If mod projects are added to the Featured Projects sidebar, then that list is gonna get pretty huge in no time, specially with the mods for OpenXcom. Long War was added because it became an semi-official expansion of Enemy Unknown, specially after Firaxis commissioned Pavonis to develop LW2. UFO2000 and UFO:AI are now dead but still playable projects and they wanted to remake the entire game. And OpenXcom and OpenApoc are clones of the original games that add a ton of new features. What does LWOTC exactly add that is new from LW2 or WotC like the existing projects?
:Finally, the UFOPaedia has always been about XCom and its games. It's not to publicize mod or fan projects, although those will always have a place here if they need a wiki because this is a fan project too but it doesn't need them. And if it became a place to publicize personal work, then it wouldn't be very effective because there's a ton of projects that could be added to the Featured Projects section (including a couple of my own personal ones) and they would be all competing for attention. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 05:33, 2 January 2022 (CET)
::First off, thanks for replying! I wasn't sure if anybody still uses talk pages.

::Secondly, let me try to answer your questions:

::Throughout 3 years of development by a team of multiple experienced developers (e.g. [https://github.com/pledbrook The Peter], [https://github.com/Grobobobo Grobobobo] and [https://github.com/GafrieGithub Amnesieri]), LWOTC has shifted away from just porting WOTC content to LW2 and for the last year or two focused more on either adding its own content or heavily reworking existing content.

::Just to name a few things:
::Every vanilla LW2 class now has a list of randomly selected perks ("XCOM row perks", in addition to their regular, "main tree" perks) that are tailored for that specific class instead of using a bunch of generic perks for nearly every class like LW2 did (which also means '''lots''' of new perks got added - over 100! All carefully balanced throughout a year of playtesting and constant balance patches);

::The Chosen are of course a huge deal in LWOTC and got such a major rework compared to WOTC that they're nearly unrecognizable mechanically, appearing much less frequently but having a truly boss-like set of abilities and mechanics that make even the most experienced players have to prepare well in advance for every retaliation mission;

::The addition and then complete reworking of the Hero classes from WOTC is a huge gamechanger. The three new classes got major overhauls compared to their WOTC counterparts - instead of being built around shallow "perk stacking" where you eventually just get every single perk on every single Hero, they now have mutually exclusive perks at every rank like every normal class, and those perks are now individually much more interesting, allowing for great build variety for every Hero class (for example, a Reaper in vanilla could pretty much only be built as a "shooty scout" - in LWOTC, they can now be based around either shooting, using explosives or throwing knives [which are completely new items in LWOTC]);

::Various WOTC enemies were added while making sure they are much less exploitable (e.g. various new types of The Lost, all of which can now climb walls [which prevents blocking them via ladders], modified versions of Purifiers, Spectres and Priests), the stats and AIs of many existing LW2 enemies got reworked (e.g. Mutons had their damage nerfed, but now can't be permanently locked in place with [[Perk_List_(LWOTC)#Combatives|Combatives]], Najas now can't shoot while unactivated, Sectopods now don't use lightning field in the middle of nowhere, large enemies now can't be Stasis'd, etc.);

::New missions based on WOTC content were added, namely rebalanced versions of Chosen Citadel Assault, Chosen Avenger Assault, Covert Action Ambush and a new type of Smash n' Grab;

::Several "normal" perks (I'm currently counting at least 14) got rebalanced, while the entire Psi perk tree got completely reworked with new abilities and major changes to existing ones;

::Many new items got added, including some ported from WOTC (such as rebalanced versions of the weapons you get after ultimately defeating each Chosen), and some third tier weapons (sawed-off shotguns, grenade launchers, knives) got added for weapons that only had 2 tiers in LW2. Some existing items and weapons got rebalanced as well;

::The research tree had certain research projects changed to use more appropriate corpse types (and of course new research projects got added for new items), and the alien corpse economy got smoothed out thanks to the addition of aliens now appearing on rendezvous missions;

::Various quality of life changes are now part of the game, such as circles for indicating [[Perk_List_(LWOTC)#Close_Combat_Specialist|Close Combat Specialist]] range, easier access to the Haven Management screen, being able to see the exact stats and abilities of enemies by pressing F1, indicators for which missions are part of Liberation chains and which give you facility leads, a confirmation that makes sure you don't accidentally skip Retaliations, a button for easily editing a Haven Adviser's loadout, and much more;

::The introduction of a reworked Covert Action system, with core elements from WOTC but various major balance changes and additions (e.g. the addition of a failure chance, the removal of infinite stat stacking, and the addition of several new types of Covert Actions);

::Several major bugfixes to longstanding LW2 bugs, including things like infinite exp farming with Wet Work, multiple Officer perks straight up not working at all (e.g. Infiltrator and Fire Discipline doing nothing), maximum Faceless limit in havens not working, enemies with Close Combat Specialist not taking the appropriate shots, etc.;

::The addition of several tutorial pop-ups, explaining various things that LW2 didn't tell you (such as new enemy types and haven management), as well as additional tutorials for LWOTC-exclusive content (such as The Chosen and what to expect from their reworks);

::And of course, I need to mention that LWOTC is still in active development, even with the 1.0 release already on Steam Workshop and [https://puu.sh/IA0Ef/13370864c0.png tens] [https://puu.sh/IA0En/fd49bf352f.png of thousands] of players within just the last year or so. Current plans include major overhauls to even more LW2 mechanics, such as completely changing how rebel jobs work and altering the conditions for triggering retaliations.

::Finally, I'd just like to say that having LWOTC on the sidebar is by no means something that only ''I'' would want - we as a community (including prominent LWOTC youtubers/streamers such as [https://www.youtube.com/c/DerAva/videos DerAva] and [https://www.twitch.tv/akaillogical akaillogical] and modders like [https://steamcommunity.com/id/kiruka/myworkshopfiles/ Kiruka] and [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138719639/myworkshopfiles/ kdm2k6]) would benefit from having an easy-to-access section for LWOTC, which would make sure that the newbies we are trying to help aren't erroneously getting knowledge about LWOTC from various outdated LW2 sources. [[User:Meatninja|Meatninja]] ([[User talk:Meatninja|talk]]) 16:05, 2 January 2022 (CET)

:::Well, just downloaded and run LWOTC and it's a mod for LW2. LW2 introduced new enemies, missions, classes, weapons and expanded the strategic layer of X2, so it's an expansion. While in LWOTC nearly all of the changes are getting things to work together, QoL and bug fixing - I barely could find anything actually new being added other than 3 psi perks. It involves a lot of work for sure, but it's a mod of an expansion (LW2) using elements of another expansion (WOTC) - it doesn't add anything new that isn't already on both, it merely gets everything to combine together as your long description made clear.
:::Second, as I said, the UFOPaedia focus on its nearly 20 years of existance has been on the original games - a group of XCom fan(atic)s decided one day that it would be nice to have a wiki to compile everything we knew about the games to help us play and enjoy them. So we don't really cared about publicity or monetizing the wiki (which is why it's ad free, unlike other wikis) because we like it focused on the games.
:::Now, you have thousands of players and known streamers to this mod project? Good for you but that's not our target audience. We do not need these XCom fan projects for the UFOPaedia to exist because this is its own fan project. There's always space available if a fan project needs a subwiki, and a few of those even decided later to have their own wiki and stopped updating their subwikis on the UFOPaedia. So, if you decide to go that way, it wouldn't affect the UFOPaedia at all.
:::Finally, this discussion already took place a year ago on the [[Talk:Main Page]] regarding Long War Rebalance and Piratez and the points presented there are still the same. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:16, 2 January 2022 (CET)

==Thumbnail==
Hey Hobbes! I seem to be having a problem with some image uploads. Thumbnails don't appear with the upload and I get an error meassage:
<pre>
Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8) /bin/bash: line 1: /usr/local/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127
</pre>
and as an example of some pics that don't have thumbs (eg: goodfriend):<br>

https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Special:Log/upload

I'm at a loss to why larger images don't generate thumbs, but small .pngs will do so. Is there any setting on my computer that I should change or any suggestion?

Thankyou!

[[User:EsTeR|EsTeR]] ([[User talk:EsTeR|talk]])

: I'm having the same problem - I wanted to reduce the size of the images near the end of the [[Megaspawn]] page but it just gives me the same error when I try to do it. I'm not sure, but it seems to be affecting images that have been uploaded recently - older images appear to work fine. [[User:Darkpast|Darkpast]] ([[User talk:Darkpast|talk]]) 14:10, 9 August 2022 (CEST)

[[User:Horace vr|Horace vr]] ([[User talk:Horace vr|talk]]) 13:40, 4 February 2023 (CET)
: Have you guys found any solution to this ?

Talk:Main Page

2023-02-04T11:44:16Z

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==Removing All Featured Projects from Sidebar==
:We had another request to add an entry to the Featured Projects sidebar (LWOTC) and since we now have a Featured Projects page I've been wondering if it wouldn't be better to remove all the current Featured Projects from the sidebar and put them in that page, for several reasons:
#The wiki has always been focused on the games and not on fan projects.
#There are wiki-relevant sidebar links that keep getting pushed downwards everytime a project is added, like languages or tools.
#With the reboot of the franchise and OpenXCom, a lot of fan projects are in the works.
#While we provide a space for their subwikis if they need, the wiki was never a hub for fan projects and to publicize/monetize them.
#Those projects typically came and use our space but I can't remember any who contributed to the wiki's main pages about the original XCom games, other than placing links to their projects on the original game pages for publicity.
#A couple projects have also left and set up their own wikis, without ever bothering to at least delete their content once they stopped updating it, since they decided they didn't want to be here anymore when they didn't get the publicity they wanted.
#UFO2000 & UFO:AI have zero or limited development for years - they're dead or almost.
#OpenXCom and OpenApoc already have links for their subwikis on the UFO and Apocalypse tables.
#Having Long War and Long War 2 then leads to other large projects like Long War Reworked and Long War of the Chosen also wanting the same attention/publicity. All of those could have also links for them on the Enemy Unknown and XCOM2 tables.
#And the Featured Projects page could be reworked so that they are properly grouped together according to their specific game that they originate from and it could also include a short description about their scope and objectives.
Ideas/Comments? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 06:07, 4 January 2022 (CET)

==Featured Projects on Sidebar==
I was requested on Discord by user [[Ucross]] to add to the Featured Projects section of the sidebar the mod that he is working on called Long War Rebalance, which is a mod of Long War, and thus a mod of XCOM: Enemy Unknown, and I refused the request for the same reasons I already presented below regarding the Piratez mod for OpenXCom.
It's arguable for the same reason that Long War shouldn't on that list for the same reason, it being a mod, but since Firaxis gave the official recognition to both Long Wars, and even gave support to Long War 2, that's the difference I see between Long War and all the other mods made for all XCom games, and thus worthy of recognition as significant contributions by and for the community. The same reason behind UFO2000, OpenXCom, OpenApoc and UFO:AI, they are all entire new XCom games built by teams of fans, and the first three are playable, and you can create mods for them. OpenXCom and OpenApoc are in active development.
As for personal projects to be present on that section, I can think of a ton of projects related to XCom that would deserve to be there, and that would make that list endless an unpractical. And at the end, the objective of this wiki is to inform about the games. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

: It still would be nice for players to be able to find all of the mods/projects that this wiki hosts. What about something like: "Other Projects" where it's a page that lists all other projects occurring for other games? Just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore me. =D [[User:Ucross|Ucross]] ([[User talk:Ucross|talk]]) 16:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

:: I am rather partial to this solution myself. The wiki does need to keep its main focus tight as far as its main content is concerned. But nothing says we cannot have a page that acknowledges and point to other projects of interest. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 04:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

==Server Move==
In the near future we're going to move to a new server (hosted by NineX) because of the constant site outages and other technical/security issues that have been affecting the wiki since the last year. NineX currently hosts the OpenXCom forums and site, so I feel that it will be a good move since the OpenXCom community has been the most active in keeping the old XCom games alive.

However we're still not sure if we're gonna be able to keep the old domain (www.ufopaedia.org) or if it will be necessary to move to a new one, and ask everybody to update their links. We're trying to keep the old domain, but right now the choice is to be between keeping things as they currently are, or get the technical/security issues fixed and get back the wiki properly working, even if that means losing the domain and the traffic.

I personally prefer the 2nd option since we need a wiki that is 100% available for both consulting and editing information, like it did in the past. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 14:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
==Temporary Domain==
We completed the server move thanks to NineX, who also upgraded the wiki's software. The process required that we moved temporarily to a new domain, ufopaedia.info, but we'll return to our old domain, ufopaedia.org, as soon as the process is complete. Thanks for your patience :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:40, 28 January 2018 (CET)

Migration finished. ufopaedia.info is redirecting to ufopaedia.org.
Mediawiki software have been upgraded to latest version , and whole site audited. [[User:NineX|NineX]] ([[User talk:NineX|talk]]), 13:27, 31 January 2018 (CET)

==Piratez in featured projects?==
It seems out of place that piratez has it's own table on the UFOpedia, and uses (Piratez) to distinguish its own pages, but is not listed on the featured projects. Going to add it if nobody objects. The rationale for adding Long War in this talk pages history (Huge makeover of the original version) pretty much goes doubly so for piratez. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 21:57, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
:Only admins can edit Featured Projects. And I object to it.
:I proposed to add Long War because it was the only major mod available to EU/EW, and even got recognition and compliments made by Firaxis (with Jake Solomon joking that he was the guy that designed LW's beta), which was then extended to hiring the LW team to make official XCOM 2 mods for the game's release. So LW is really something special that deserved to get its own recognition.
:Piratez is just one of several total conversions available for OpenXCom, and the intent is not to list all mod projects on Featured Projects, Because then X-Files, Hardmode or Area 51 would also qualify, being also expansions on their own right, although without Piratez's popularity.
:Not to mention that there are other current XCom games like XCOM 2 that have also their own mods. So, if Piratez is added, what happens if someone else from another XCOM game, or current projects being developed like OpenApoc, decides to ask for his major mod to be added?
:The primary intent of this wiki is the XCOM games, and Featured Projects is a way to recognize the hard work and dedication of a few fan projects, OpenXCom being one of them - and if you add Piratez then you're basically saying that Piratez is at the same level as OpenXCom, when Piratez wouldn't exist if there wasn't OpenXCom to begin with.
:Finally, pages with their own suffix (Whatever) don't necessarily translate into Featured Projects, check the existing Interceptor and the Enforcer pages, it's more of a matter of internal page categorization. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:23, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
::: Ah okay, but I'm not really convinced, this feels like a matter of scale. I'm not trying to get it added as a featured project because I'm a fan, it just doesn't seem right to not have it there regardless of those reasons. If you look at something like UFO:AI or OpenApoc, on the main featured bar, they're almost completed unupdated and tiny. If the idea is that Piratez should have it's place on this wiki, and not on it's own wiki, then it really should have a place on the main page. If it's not, why is it even on here with hundreds and hundreds of pages? I type in just about any search for x-com related things and see a bunch of piratez pages in the autocomplete. If X-Files, Hardmode, Area 51 had hundreds of pages on the wiki, I'd recommend adding them as well, though they don't. Anyways, just my thoughts, I won't push this anymore. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:53, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan explains the argument more. It The piratez main page is a huge presence on the wiki, and is essentially unaccessable on the wiki. Which is just not what wikis are about. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:59, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::: There are a lot of interesting points in your reply, that I'll try to answer separately to those, since some I have already considered myself.
:::: UFO2000 and UFO:AI are dead projects, UFO2000 had its glory days more than 10 years ago (I was heavily involved with it) and it is playable (although hardly anyone plays it) and UFO:AI was never finished, so there's really an argument there whether both should still be on Featured Projects. OpenApoc on the other hand is actively being developed right now, they have their own Discord channel and it might take a while, but the general feeling is that one day it will reach 1.0 status, like OpenXCom did.
:::: Piratez section on its wiki grew up by itself out of the OpenXCom until now, Dioxine or anyone ever asked permission, that I recall, but since we got the space and it is XCom related, no one objected, and the community is pretty supportive of each other's projects.
:::: If by Auto-Complete you mean Google's search bar then the reason why you get so much Piratez results associated with XCom is because it uses your past search history and page views. I don't get any Piratez results when I search for XCom things because I don't play Piratez (and I don't play LW or LW2 also, but I suggested that they should be added because of their importance).
:::: And this brings me to another important point, which is that Piratez includes content that some people don't really think belongs in an XCom game, namely it being about space pirates, slaves and mutants against aliens, and with the nudity involved. I know it takes place in an alternate universe where XCom lost the war, but if Firaxis announced that XCOM 3 followed Piratez setting, there would be a huge fan backlash because XCom has almost always been about an international, semi-clandestine organization of humans fighting aliens, and never required nudity to be atractive. Piratez setting and aesthetics appeal to a lot of people but to a lot of others it doesn't, even inside the OpenXCom community.
:::: And for instance, I'm the lead developer of Area 51 that was mentioned before, and while it expands the base UFO: Defense game like EW or LW did, if not more, I do not think it should be on Featured Projects because of all the reasons I mentioned before. As a developer I'd love it to be more publicized, but here I need to think first as a wiki administrator, and like I said before, this is an XCOM wiki since it was created 15 years ago, not an OpenXCom one. If this was a wiki dedicated to OXC, then Piratez, Area 51, Tech-Comm (another total conversion I'm working based on the Terminator universe), Warhammer 40k, Dune, and all other major projects, XCom based or not, would belong here, but it isn't.
:::: Finally, we're not talking here about a single orphan article. Orphan articles mean that they can only be accessed by searching the wiki since there aren't any links to them anywhere. Piratez can be accessed through here https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Mods_(OpenXcom). The issue really is that you think Piratez should be more advertised on the wiki by adding it to Featured Projects, but as I said before, it is questionable whether it deserves to get that sort of attention on an XCOM wiki. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 05:37, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Heh, well in any case, looks like someone else added it to featured projects about a year ago: it's just on the featured projects at the very bottom of the page, along with all the other featured projects but with piratez squeezed in haha. Somewhat tangential but a bit on topic: Maybe the front page should just have a section at the top listing all the relevant games on the wiki? I remember like a decade ago when it was just the 1994 version/TFT and Apoc and the main page was very organized and clear, but it's really not now what with the tables of nearly every game on the wiki on the main page and some random lists in random places. Case in point: Piratez is already considered a featured mod by someone and neither of us noticed until this point, nor did I know even enforcer or these other spinoffs existed that you mentioned earlier existed or were on the wiki at all. In any case, glad to have talked this out. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 11:21, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Bluh, one last point, I promise. I think maybe your having made/worked on a huge mod might be influencing your decision: you make it sound like it'd be a bad thing if all OpenXcom mods were featured and I don't think this would even be bad at all. E.g. a lot of games wikis list basically all the relevant large mods for the game in a very visible place. Example: https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page has a link to a list of pretty much every major mod visible up front without needing to scroll down. To me it just seemed odd specifically for piratez here since it also had a huge space on the wiki, but I don't see an issue with Area 51, Warhammer 40k, etc having a visible place.

== XCOM 2 section problems ==

Hi guys,

I've noticed that there's loads of problems in the XCOM 2 sections - misspellings, orphan pages, a lack of organisation, and so on. Even the term "MEC" was spelt wrong in a page title. I've been tackling a few of these issues, but I'm just thinking that this isn't worth having because Fandom have their own wiki at [https://xcom.fandom.com/wiki/XCOM_Wiki] and they've got nearly everything down already.

What are we trying to do here - dedicate this wiki to the old X-COM and a few mods (ahem, Long War), or adding in Firaxis's new XCOM grouping?

Just a question in editorial direction.

--[[User:SpeedofDeath118|SpeedofDeath118]] ([[User talk:SpeedofDeath118|talk]]) 17:08, 16 December 2019 (CET)
:I think the question is more, what are you interested in doing? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:11, 16 December 2019 (CET)

::The Wiki was set up long before the reboot series, so you could say the classics were its original focus. However it would have been remiss to not accommodate the new games as they appeared. However the wiki thrives or declines entirely on the input of the people that make use of it. If the interest and willingness is there, the sections will grow. If not (looks at the early spinoff titles), then perhaps not so much. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 07:31, 17 December 2019 (CET)

== Enable dark mode theme? ==

Would it be possible to add a dark mode option to this wiki? Something like these:
https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Converting_to_hydradark
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless/DarkCSS
: Hi and thanks for asking but after consultation with NineX, we don't have the resources (someone experienced with Mediawiki) to keep the UFOpaedia.org updated to the latest Mediawiki releases. Otherwise, the odds are that things will start breaking with UFOpaedia.org if we change the custom skin, which has happened to other wikis. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:32, 25 October 2021 (CEST)

I see a "Skin" option when I navigate to Preferences > Appearance (https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering ), but no options other than the default appear.
-[[User:JimmAYY2|JimmAYY2]] ([[User talk:JimmAYY2|talk]]) 19:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

== New and old images not showing? ==

When adding images to new pages that I've been editing I've noticed some images will never be displayed properly, this includes new images I've uploaded and old images from years ago that I've simply linked in a new page

On this page:https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Lab_Ship
You can see that while the 'side view' image loads in correctly, however the terrain map images fail to load properly, spouting errors. These are all new images.

Conversely on this page: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Battlescape_Strategy_(Hardmode)#Disembarkation_Strategy
While most of those images are also new, the third image is the very old 'motion scanner' image from the vanilla wiki that has been around for a decade, it is also failing to load.

I've no idea why some images will work and other's won't. I have also tried to do the edits and upload new images from entirly different devices and computers but to no avail.

Just reporting the issue. Cheers [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 17:52, 3 June 2022 (CEST)
:I just tried to see the image being hosted of the LabShip that wasn't displaying on the gallery and it didn't also load, with the similar error message. Since all the majority of the .pngs you upload seem to be correctly appearing, I'd advise to recheck those .png files. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 03:38, 5 June 2022 (CEST)

:I've tried taking a new image on a different machine and have re-uploaded it to no avail, I've even taken a new image and converted it to a different file format but it still produces an error output. I've even uploaded the images to different websites to see if there's a problem with the files but the other websites display the image with no issues.
:If we check some of the older pages I made, using the same program to get the UFO images, the images uploaded just fine as evidenced here: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Sentry_Ship
:I'm just not sure of the issue or if its even one on my end due to how random the issue is. If it was just affecting images I am screenshoting from 'MapViewer' then I'd say that's it but its also cropping errors for a wide range of images from different sources. [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 12:11, 5 June 2022 (CEST)
::I think I might have encountered this bug years ago but I think it got eventually for the images to appear. Try using .jpg instead? Otherwise, I'm afraid I don't have a clue of how to solve it. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 17:33, 9 June 2022 (CEST)

== Thumbnails issue ==

[[User:Horace vr|Horace vr]] ([[User talk:Horace vr|talk]]) 12:41, 4 February 2023 (CET)

I am seeing issues with thumbnail creation, for both old and new pictures

For example here:
https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Research_required_(LWR)
If you try to thumb the picture (by adding a pic size), you will get an error;

This happens with existing pictures (I tried to restore the original pic) and to new pics (Event research2.jpg is a pic I uploaded a few days ago)

This could be related to the issue reported earlier by Steelpoint: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#New_and_old_images_not_showing.3F

Talk:Main Page

2023-02-04T11:41:26Z

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==Removing All Featured Projects from Sidebar==
:We had another request to add an entry to the Featured Projects sidebar (LWOTC) and since we now have a Featured Projects page I've been wondering if it wouldn't be better to remove all the current Featured Projects from the sidebar and put them in that page, for several reasons:
#The wiki has always been focused on the games and not on fan projects.
#There are wiki-relevant sidebar links that keep getting pushed downwards everytime a project is added, like languages or tools.
#With the reboot of the franchise and OpenXCom, a lot of fan projects are in the works.
#While we provide a space for their subwikis if they need, the wiki was never a hub for fan projects and to publicize/monetize them.
#Those projects typically came and use our space but I can't remember any who contributed to the wiki's main pages about the original XCom games, other than placing links to their projects on the original game pages for publicity.
#A couple projects have also left and set up their own wikis, without ever bothering to at least delete their content once they stopped updating it, since they decided they didn't want to be here anymore when they didn't get the publicity they wanted.
#UFO2000 & UFO:AI have zero or limited development for years - they're dead or almost.
#OpenXCom and OpenApoc already have links for their subwikis on the UFO and Apocalypse tables.
#Having Long War and Long War 2 then leads to other large projects like Long War Reworked and Long War of the Chosen also wanting the same attention/publicity. All of those could have also links for them on the Enemy Unknown and XCOM2 tables.
#And the Featured Projects page could be reworked so that they are properly grouped together according to their specific game that they originate from and it could also include a short description about their scope and objectives.
Ideas/Comments? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 06:07, 4 January 2022 (CET)

==Featured Projects on Sidebar==
I was requested on Discord by user [[Ucross]] to add to the Featured Projects section of the sidebar the mod that he is working on called Long War Rebalance, which is a mod of Long War, and thus a mod of XCOM: Enemy Unknown, and I refused the request for the same reasons I already presented below regarding the Piratez mod for OpenXCom.
It's arguable for the same reason that Long War shouldn't on that list for the same reason, it being a mod, but since Firaxis gave the official recognition to both Long Wars, and even gave support to Long War 2, that's the difference I see between Long War and all the other mods made for all XCom games, and thus worthy of recognition as significant contributions by and for the community. The same reason behind UFO2000, OpenXCom, OpenApoc and UFO:AI, they are all entire new XCom games built by teams of fans, and the first three are playable, and you can create mods for them. OpenXCom and OpenApoc are in active development.
As for personal projects to be present on that section, I can think of a ton of projects related to XCom that would deserve to be there, and that would make that list endless an unpractical. And at the end, the objective of this wiki is to inform about the games. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 20:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

: It still would be nice for players to be able to find all of the mods/projects that this wiki hosts. What about something like: "Other Projects" where it's a page that lists all other projects occurring for other games? Just a suggestion. Feel free to ignore me. =D [[User:Ucross|Ucross]] ([[User talk:Ucross|talk]]) 16:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

:: I am rather partial to this solution myself. The wiki does need to keep its main focus tight as far as its main content is concerned. But nothing says we cannot have a page that acknowledges and point to other projects of interest. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 04:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

==Server Move==
In the near future we're going to move to a new server (hosted by NineX) because of the constant site outages and other technical/security issues that have been affecting the wiki since the last year. NineX currently hosts the OpenXCom forums and site, so I feel that it will be a good move since the OpenXCom community has been the most active in keeping the old XCom games alive.

However we're still not sure if we're gonna be able to keep the old domain (www.ufopaedia.org) or if it will be necessary to move to a new one, and ask everybody to update their links. We're trying to keep the old domain, but right now the choice is to be between keeping things as they currently are, or get the technical/security issues fixed and get back the wiki properly working, even if that means losing the domain and the traffic.

I personally prefer the 2nd option since we need a wiki that is 100% available for both consulting and editing information, like it did in the past. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 14:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
==Temporary Domain==
We completed the server move thanks to NineX, who also upgraded the wiki's software. The process required that we moved temporarily to a new domain, ufopaedia.info, but we'll return to our old domain, ufopaedia.org, as soon as the process is complete. Thanks for your patience :) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:40, 28 January 2018 (CET)

Migration finished. ufopaedia.info is redirecting to ufopaedia.org.
Mediawiki software have been upgraded to latest version , and whole site audited. [[User:NineX|NineX]] ([[User talk:NineX|talk]]), 13:27, 31 January 2018 (CET)

==Piratez in featured projects?==
It seems out of place that piratez has it's own table on the UFOpedia, and uses (Piratez) to distinguish its own pages, but is not listed on the featured projects. Going to add it if nobody objects. The rationale for adding Long War in this talk pages history (Huge makeover of the original version) pretty much goes doubly so for piratez. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 21:57, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
:Only admins can edit Featured Projects. And I object to it.
:I proposed to add Long War because it was the only major mod available to EU/EW, and even got recognition and compliments made by Firaxis (with Jake Solomon joking that he was the guy that designed LW's beta), which was then extended to hiring the LW team to make official XCOM 2 mods for the game's release. So LW is really something special that deserved to get its own recognition.
:Piratez is just one of several total conversions available for OpenXCom, and the intent is not to list all mod projects on Featured Projects, Because then X-Files, Hardmode or Area 51 would also qualify, being also expansions on their own right, although without Piratez's popularity.
:Not to mention that there are other current XCom games like XCOM 2 that have also their own mods. So, if Piratez is added, what happens if someone else from another XCOM game, or current projects being developed like OpenApoc, decides to ask for his major mod to be added?
:The primary intent of this wiki is the XCOM games, and Featured Projects is a way to recognize the hard work and dedication of a few fan projects, OpenXCom being one of them - and if you add Piratez then you're basically saying that Piratez is at the same level as OpenXCom, when Piratez wouldn't exist if there wasn't OpenXCom to begin with.
:Finally, pages with their own suffix (Whatever) don't necessarily translate into Featured Projects, check the existing Interceptor and the Enforcer pages, it's more of a matter of internal page categorization. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:23, 5 May 2019 (CEST)
::: Ah okay, but I'm not really convinced, this feels like a matter of scale. I'm not trying to get it added as a featured project because I'm a fan, it just doesn't seem right to not have it there regardless of those reasons. If you look at something like UFO:AI or OpenApoc, on the main featured bar, they're almost completed unupdated and tiny. If the idea is that Piratez should have it's place on this wiki, and not on it's own wiki, then it really should have a place on the main page. If it's not, why is it even on here with hundreds and hundreds of pages? I type in just about any search for x-com related things and see a bunch of piratez pages in the autocomplete. If X-Files, Hardmode, Area 51 had hundreds of pages on the wiki, I'd recommend adding them as well, though they don't. Anyways, just my thoughts, I won't push this anymore. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:53, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan explains the argument more. It The piratez main page is a huge presence on the wiki, and is essentially unaccessable on the wiki. Which is just not what wikis are about. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 01:59, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
:::: There are a lot of interesting points in your reply, that I'll try to answer separately to those, since some I have already considered myself.
:::: UFO2000 and UFO:AI are dead projects, UFO2000 had its glory days more than 10 years ago (I was heavily involved with it) and it is playable (although hardly anyone plays it) and UFO:AI was never finished, so there's really an argument there whether both should still be on Featured Projects. OpenApoc on the other hand is actively being developed right now, they have their own Discord channel and it might take a while, but the general feeling is that one day it will reach 1.0 status, like OpenXCom did.
:::: Piratez section on its wiki grew up by itself out of the OpenXCom until now, Dioxine or anyone ever asked permission, that I recall, but since we got the space and it is XCom related, no one objected, and the community is pretty supportive of each other's projects.
:::: If by Auto-Complete you mean Google's search bar then the reason why you get so much Piratez results associated with XCom is because it uses your past search history and page views. I don't get any Piratez results when I search for XCom things because I don't play Piratez (and I don't play LW or LW2 also, but I suggested that they should be added because of their importance).
:::: And this brings me to another important point, which is that Piratez includes content that some people don't really think belongs in an XCom game, namely it being about space pirates, slaves and mutants against aliens, and with the nudity involved. I know it takes place in an alternate universe where XCom lost the war, but if Firaxis announced that XCOM 3 followed Piratez setting, there would be a huge fan backlash because XCom has almost always been about an international, semi-clandestine organization of humans fighting aliens, and never required nudity to be atractive. Piratez setting and aesthetics appeal to a lot of people but to a lot of others it doesn't, even inside the OpenXCom community.
:::: And for instance, I'm the lead developer of Area 51 that was mentioned before, and while it expands the base UFO: Defense game like EW or LW did, if not more, I do not think it should be on Featured Projects because of all the reasons I mentioned before. As a developer I'd love it to be more publicized, but here I need to think first as a wiki administrator, and like I said before, this is an XCOM wiki since it was created 15 years ago, not an OpenXCom one. If this was a wiki dedicated to OXC, then Piratez, Area 51, Tech-Comm (another total conversion I'm working based on the Terminator universe), Warhammer 40k, Dune, and all other major projects, XCom based or not, would belong here, but it isn't.
:::: Finally, we're not talking here about a single orphan article. Orphan articles mean that they can only be accessed by searching the wiki since there aren't any links to them anywhere. Piratez can be accessed through here https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Mods_(OpenXcom). The issue really is that you think Piratez should be more advertised on the wiki by adding it to Featured Projects, but as I said before, it is questionable whether it deserves to get that sort of attention on an XCOM wiki. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 05:37, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Heh, well in any case, looks like someone else added it to featured projects about a year ago: it's just on the featured projects at the very bottom of the page, along with all the other featured projects but with piratez squeezed in haha. Somewhat tangential but a bit on topic: Maybe the front page should just have a section at the top listing all the relevant games on the wiki? I remember like a decade ago when it was just the 1994 version/TFT and Apoc and the main page was very organized and clear, but it's really not now what with the tables of nearly every game on the wiki on the main page and some random lists in random places. Case in point: Piratez is already considered a featured mod by someone and neither of us noticed until this point, nor did I know even enforcer or these other spinoffs existed that you mentioned earlier existed or were on the wiki at all. In any case, glad to have talked this out. [[User:Greep|Greep]] ([[User talk:Greep|talk]]) 11:21, 6 May 2019 (CEST)
::::: Bluh, one last point, I promise. I think maybe your having made/worked on a huge mod might be influencing your decision: you make it sound like it'd be a bad thing if all OpenXcom mods were featured and I don't think this would even be bad at all. E.g. a lot of games wikis list basically all the relevant large mods for the game in a very visible place. Example: https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page has a link to a list of pretty much every major mod visible up front without needing to scroll down. To me it just seemed odd specifically for piratez here since it also had a huge space on the wiki, but I don't see an issue with Area 51, Warhammer 40k, etc having a visible place.

== XCOM 2 section problems ==

Hi guys,

I've noticed that there's loads of problems in the XCOM 2 sections - misspellings, orphan pages, a lack of organisation, and so on. Even the term "MEC" was spelt wrong in a page title. I've been tackling a few of these issues, but I'm just thinking that this isn't worth having because Fandom have their own wiki at [https://xcom.fandom.com/wiki/XCOM_Wiki] and they've got nearly everything down already.

What are we trying to do here - dedicate this wiki to the old X-COM and a few mods (ahem, Long War), or adding in Firaxis's new XCOM grouping?

Just a question in editorial direction.

--[[User:SpeedofDeath118|SpeedofDeath118]] ([[User talk:SpeedofDeath118|talk]]) 17:08, 16 December 2019 (CET)
:I think the question is more, what are you interested in doing? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:11, 16 December 2019 (CET)

::The Wiki was set up long before the reboot series, so you could say the classics were its original focus. However it would have been remiss to not accommodate the new games as they appeared. However the wiki thrives or declines entirely on the input of the people that make use of it. If the interest and willingness is there, the sections will grow. If not (looks at the early spinoff titles), then perhaps not so much. [[User:NKF|NKF]] ([[User talk:NKF|talk]]) 07:31, 17 December 2019 (CET)

== Enable dark mode theme? ==

Would it be possible to add a dark mode option to this wiki? Something like these:
https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Converting_to_hydradark
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless/DarkCSS
: Hi and thanks for asking but after consultation with NineX, we don't have the resources (someone experienced with Mediawiki) to keep the UFOpaedia.org updated to the latest Mediawiki releases. Otherwise, the odds are that things will start breaking with UFOpaedia.org if we change the custom skin, which has happened to other wikis. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 23:32, 25 October 2021 (CEST)

I see a "Skin" option when I navigate to Preferences > Appearance (https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering ), but no options other than the default appear.
-[[User:JimmAYY2|JimmAYY2]] ([[User talk:JimmAYY2|talk]]) 19:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

== New and old images not showing? ==

When adding images to new pages that I've been editing I've noticed some images will never be displayed properly, this includes new images I've uploaded and old images from years ago that I've simply linked in a new page

On this page:https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Lab_Ship
You can see that while the 'side view' image loads in correctly, however the terrain map images fail to load properly, spouting errors. These are all new images.

Conversely on this page: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Battlescape_Strategy_(Hardmode)#Disembarkation_Strategy
While most of those images are also new, the third image is the very old 'motion scanner' image from the vanilla wiki that has been around for a decade, it is also failing to load.

I've no idea why some images will work and other's won't. I have also tried to do the edits and upload new images from entirly different devices and computers but to no avail.

Just reporting the issue. Cheers [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 17:52, 3 June 2022 (CEST)
:I just tried to see the image being hosted of the LabShip that wasn't displaying on the gallery and it didn't also load, with the similar error message. Since all the majority of the .pngs you upload seem to be correctly appearing, I'd advise to recheck those .png files. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 03:38, 5 June 2022 (CEST)

:I've tried taking a new image on a different machine and have re-uploaded it to no avail, I've even taken a new image and converted it to a different file format but it still produces an error output. I've even uploaded the images to different websites to see if there's a problem with the files but the other websites display the image with no issues.
:If we check some of the older pages I made, using the same program to get the UFO images, the images uploaded just fine as evidenced here: https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Sentry_Ship
:I'm just not sure of the issue or if its even one on my end due to how random the issue is. If it was just affecting images I am screenshoting from 'MapViewer' then I'd say that's it but its also cropping errors for a wide range of images from different sources. [[User:Steelpoint|Steelpoint]] ([[User talk:Steelpoint|talk]]) 12:11, 5 June 2022 (CEST)
::I think I might have encountered this bug years ago but I think it got eventually for the images to appear. Try using .jpg instead? Otherwise, I'm afraid I don't have a clue of how to solve it. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 17:33, 9 June 2022 (CEST)

== Thumbnails issue ==

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